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The Mazda CX-5 is one of the most fuel efficient crossovers in its class.
EPA says average efficiency has increased 22% since 2004

According to the EPA, the fuel efficiency of 2012 model year cars and trucks in the U.S. hit an all-time high. The average for all 2012 model vehicles was 23.6 miles per gallon. The EPA says that overall fuel economy increased by 1.2 mpg compared to fleet wide 2011 economy numbers, making it the second highest gain in fuel efficiency in the last 30 years.
The overall fuel efficiency increase was attributed to two factors: an industry-wide move towards “greener” powertrains in vehicles and higher fuel prices which in turn pushed customers towards more efficient vehicles.
Mazda was the most fuel-efficient automaker with an average of 27.1 mpg in 2012, up 2.1 mpg compared to the previous year. Honda was second at 26.6mpg, and Toyota was third at 25.6 mpg.
Ford was in eighth place with an overall average of 22.8 mpg followed by GM in ninth with 21.7 mpg. Both of those automakers count trucks among their best selling vehicles.
Both Kia and Hyundai were left out of the rankings due to investigations over false fuel efficiency claims. Those automakers had to change window stickers to reflect corrected fuel efficiency measurements once the EPA did some snooping following customer complaints of poor fuel economy.
Fuel efficiency has increased by 22% since the 2004 model year, and the EPA notes that current trends show that 2013 model year vehicles should boost the average to 24 mpg.

Source: Detroit News

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Losing battle
By freedom4556 on 12/13/2013 10:47:42 AM , Rating: -1
Now they should look at the inflation-adjusted average new car price from then to now. I'll bet it is at an all time high as well. I'll guarantee that the increase in cost is more then the return in fuel savings.

This is all allegedly in the name of the environment, but fuel economy is only tenuously correlated to emissions (except perhaps CO2, which is not a pollutant, that is, unless all respiring life needs emissions controls).

RE: Losing battle
By chaos386 on 12/13/2013 11:54:38 AM , Rating: 5
I did a quick check:

2014 Chevy Malibu LT, 197 hp, 25/36 MPG, $23,510
2004 Chevy Malibu LT, 200 hp, 23/32 MPG, $22,870 ($28,275 when adjusted for inflation)

2004 source:

Nope, looks like cars are getting cheaper, too.

RE: Losing battle
By Jeffk464 on 12/13/2013 11:59:30 AM , Rating: 4
Plus the 2004 was a turd and the 2014 is a good car.

RE: Losing battle
By degobah77 on 12/13/2013 12:41:42 PM , Rating: 2
Looks like one car may be cheaper, sure.

RE: Losing battle
By Mint on 12/13/2013 2:08:10 PM , Rating: 3
It's not one car.

(google "us average new car price" and click on the first link. DT's f***ing spam filter is a joke and won't let me post the link.)

That works out to 1.7% per year, i.e. less than inflation, and you're getting a WAY better product as well. If you take a well equipped $30k car from 10 years ago and match it feature for feature, it'll be cheaper today.

RE: Losing battle
By Reclaimer77 on 12/13/2013 6:11:20 PM , Rating: 1
DT's f***ing spam filter is a joke and won't let me post the link.)

I would classify most of your posts as useless spam, so I think it's working as intended. :)


RE: Losing battle
By Spuke on 12/13/2013 7:29:04 PM , Rating: 2
I would classify most of your posts as useless spam, so I think it's working as intended. :)

RE: Losing battle
By Jeffk464 on 12/13/2013 11:57:54 AM , Rating: 2
Higher mileage is not all about expensive wiz bang engineering. A lot of it has come from people deciding to buy cars like the cx5 instead of some 4000lbs truck based suv, or as simple as choosing the 4 cyl over the 6 cyl in their mid size sedan.

RE: Losing battle
By Jeffk464 on 12/13/2013 12:04:57 PM , Rating: 3
PS mazda has an obvious edge in mileage in that the basically don't sell trucks.

RE: Losing battle
By Myrandex on 12/13/2013 5:57:06 PM , Rating: 2
They did sell a truck based on the Ford Ranger platform. I'm not sure if they still do or not but I've known a couple of people to have one.


RE: Losing battle
By Flunk on 12/16/2013 9:56:13 AM , Rating: 2
The B-series is discontinued, it and the Ranger went out at the same time. Even that wasn't very big, the CX-9 is the biggest thing they make right now which is a mid-sized to large crossover.

Most of their cars are compact or smaller, they don't even sell the RX-8 any more. It's not really a surprise that they're tops for fuel economy.

RE: Losing battle
By Spuke on 12/13/2013 12:24:11 PM , Rating: 1
as simple as choosing the 4 cyl over the 6 cyl in their mid size sedan
4 cyl sales have always outpaced 6 cyl in mid sized sedans. Not sure where you got that from. Also, people's choices in crossovers as opposed to larger SUV's is mainly due to conquest sales from sedans. Yes, a lot of large SUV's owners have moved to crossovers but if you look at actual sales data and not what the TV says, you'll see that large SUV's NEVER sold in any large amount. Small SUV's on the other hand, before crossovers, have been big sellers (I venture a guess and say those customers all moved to crossovers too).

RE: Losing battle
By amanojaku on 12/13/2013 12:54:27 PM , Rating: 2
Fuel economy has never been about lower car costs OR the environment. It originated in the '70s, when rising tensions with the Middle East limited oil supplies. Recognizing the disaster that would occur if oil supply ceased, the government looked to limit cars' use of oil. It was sound reasoning, since you needed oil for heat and electricity. But the government didn't outright ban high-consumption cars; it simply taxed them like crazy. They weren't cost effective for manufacturers, unless you went all out with a sticker price of a few hundred thousand. Or bought a truck or SUV, which wasn't taxed if it was large enough.

This is also when we got the speed limit of 55mph - not for safety, but for fuel consumption.

CAFE is fundamentally an economic tool. The consumer savings is an invention to make CAFE more palatable to gain public support so that car manufacturers are assaulted from all sides. If there are savings, it's purely because the engineers did a damn good job, and the salesmen set a reasonable price.

The environmental stuff is a recent thing, with everyone suddenly wanting to make everything clean and green. CAFE doesn't have any standards on emissions, because it can't possibly dictate that. It simply has consumption goals (e.g. 35mpg) with estimated emissions targets.

RE: Losing battle
By RU482 on 12/13/2013 2:02:23 PM , Rating: 2
I was looking at the specs of the 2014 Chevy SS, and noticed "Gas Guzzler Tax" of something like $1400. 14city/21hwy.

So yea, there are alternatives out there if you could care less about fuel economy, but in general, the industry is getting more fuel efficiency out of comparable engines compared to 10 yrs ago.

RE: Losing battle
By FITCamaro on 12/13/2013 2:45:57 PM , Rating: 2
Because technology is improving and they are being forced to. Even without the EPA though, higher fuel prices and people earning less have made more people wanting cars that cost them less money to operate.

RE: Losing battle
By Dr. Kenneth Noisewater on 12/13/2013 3:36:44 PM , Rating: 2
A gas tax hike would be far better than CAFE trying to dictate the laws of physics. Heck, just price the cost of CENTCOM spending into each gallon of gas sold and bbl of oil imported. It could be revenue-neutral, and make the retail cost of gas reflect its actual cost a bit more closely.

RE: Losing battle
By freedom4556 on 12/16/2013 2:39:57 PM , Rating: 2
It's still a loosing battle. Diminishing returns will kick in eventually, if they haven't already. The lawmakers can't keep mandating ever increasing fuel economy targets year-on-year and expect the engineers to just 'figure it out.'

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