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Mustang could get diesel power in the future

Ford unveiled the new 2015 Mustang earlier this month and with the unveiling of the new car also came a new engine. The 2015 Mustang will get the fuel-efficient EcoBoost 4-cylinder engine that will generate roughly 305 hp and around 305 lb-ft of torque. It will be the first 4-cylinder turbo Mustang since the SVO version in the Fox body generation of the Pony car.
 
Ford has yet to offer official mileage estimates for the EcoBoost engine in the 2015 Mustang, but it is expected to be one of the most fuel efficient engines in its class.

 
However, EcoBoost isn't the only green tech that Ford is considering for the Mustang. Ford has said that it is considering a future for the Mustang that could see diesel power, hybrid, or fully-electric versions of the car. Many high-end supercars – like the Ferrari LaFerrari, McLaren P1, and Porsche 918 Spyder -- are utilizing hybrid systems for fuel efficiency and improved performance.
 
The new Lexus RC coupe will also be available in a hybrid version.

 
Traditionally, the Mustang wasn’t a car purchased for its fuel efficiency. The 2015 Mustang is designed from the ground up to be a world car and options such as diesel engine would make the care more appealing
 
Ford Global powertrain boss Bob Fascetti said, "We’re not looking at diesel at the moment, but given where we need to go with fuel consumption we are looking at all our options, and diesel is one of those options, along with hybrids and electric."

 
 
The future for the Mustang will likely see new transmissions as well. Ford and GM are currently working on a joint project to develop new nine and ten-speed automatic transmissions to improve fuel economy. 

Source: Go Auto



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Traditionally
By ipay on 12/9/2013 10:38:30 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Traditionally, the Mustang wasn't a car purchased for its fuel efficiency.
Traditionally, it wasn't a car purchased in a V6 variant for daughters who then thought they had a fast car, either.




RE: Traditionally
By Reclaimer77 on 12/9/2013 10:47:27 AM , Rating: 3
Uhh really?

The 1964 Mustang has a V6 engine. 6 and even 4 cylinder engines have been used throughout the cars history.

And that's fine. What is NOT fine is forcing standards on everyone so high, high displacement engines can no longer be offered.


RE: Traditionally
By ipay on 12/9/13, Rating: 0
RE: Traditionally
By Argon18 on 12/9/13, Rating: 0
RE: Traditionally
By Reclaimer77 on 12/9/2013 12:16:46 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Hatchbacks in Europe have been getting 50 MPG as standard for decades now


No they haven't. The European testing model is a joke compared to US standards, and doesn't reflect real world use. And your gallon isn't the same size, it's larger.

quote:
Ford needs to wake up and bring those here to the US.


They can't! For the above reasons, and our higher emissions standards.

You seriously don't think would if they could?


RE: Traditionally
By ipay on 12/9/2013 12:58:34 PM , Rating: 2
Aside from that, there are hatches that work in Europe just fine and get great mileage but simply would not work here.

And sometimes they just don't want to bring hatches here because they don't think they will sell well enough or perhaps monopolize other models. Take the BMW 5-door 1-series... Same engines as the sedan, same basic body structure, etc. There are no US regulations that restrict it from easily being offered here.


RE: Traditionally
By GulWestfale on 12/9/2013 5:19:25 PM , Rating: 2
i'm sure that is 50 UK MPG, not US MPG.


RE: Traditionally
By Samus on 12/9/2013 1:32:35 PM , Rating: 2
European fuel grades start at 91 octane and the engine is tuned for such. That improves fuel economy about 10% alone.

When vehicles are imported, even turbo vw's, they are so heavily detuned to protect the manufacturer from a warranty claim in case somebody runs 87 in a vehicle that demands 89+


RE: Traditionally
By GreenEnvt on 12/10/2013 1:43:19 PM , Rating: 2
European (well just about everywhere outside North America) use a different method of measuring Octane.

NA uses (RON+MON) / 2, so the average of the two numbers. Everyone else uses just RON, which is a higher number. So the NA "regular" is about the same as everyone elses "regular", even though the number displayed looks lower in NA.

Higher Octane levels would permit you to run higher compression and get some more efficiency, but some of that is negated by then having to build a stronger block/head to take the increased pressure, more monitoring equipment to make sure you aren't getting premature detonation, etc..


RE: Traditionally
By GotDiesel on 12/9/2013 1:36:23 PM , Rating: 2

Hate to burst your bubble, but they do, I have lived there and driven/owned 55 mpg diesel cars.. if you look at the EPA test, you will see it is not real world either.. I own a jetta diesel that "according to the EPA" returns 34 mpg combined.. which is why I get 50 mpg "real world" .. also
the US emmisions standards are not "higher".. they are "different".. engineered so by paid off politicians to protect the US market from ROW competition.. as a result we are all suffering the consequences with stifled competition.. something US makers don't like..


RE: Traditionally
By Spuke on 12/9/2013 2:24:07 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
the US emmisions standards are not "higher".. they are "different"
No, US emissions standards ARE higher although there are some upcoming EU emissions standards that will close the gap.

quote:
I own a jetta diesel that "according to the EPA" returns 34 mpg combined.. which is why I get 50 mpg "real world"
And I get 33 mpg from my 19/28 rated car. With the right driving style, anyone can better rated mpg but our lone TWO examples do not equal EPA/EU scientific testing methodologies.


RE: Traditionally
By teldar on 12/10/2013 9:59:33 AM , Rating: 2
Are you going to talk Diesel or Gasoline? There is a significant difference between the fuels.

The U.S. does not have many diesel engines available. People here still seem to believe they are noisy and messy and most people will not buy them. Or they are concerned about the different maintenance on them vs gasoline and that scares them off as well.


RE: Traditionally
By Spuke on 12/9/2013 12:33:04 PM , Rating: 3
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Right now today in Europe you can buy a Ford Focus turbodiesel that gets 67 MPG. Sixty-Seven.
You have to be new here otherwise you're an idiot. I'm hoping you're just new. US mpg does not equal EU mpg. Why?

1. Gallons are different
2. Testing is different

Also, it's generally accepted that that EU testing methods are optimistic at best.


RE: Traditionally
By Reclaimer77 on 12/9/2013 4:07:43 PM , Rating: 2
Here is an example of how lax EU testing is for mileage.

http://green.autoblog.com/2013/03/14/carmakers-tak...


RE: Traditionally
By Spuke on 12/9/2013 4:30:54 PM , Rating: 2
There it is. What a total scam! AND they know about it! If that happened over here, automakers would have their heads on pikes.


RE: Traditionally
By Reclaimer77 on 12/9/2013 4:43:53 PM , Rating: 2
It would be criminal here, yes. Based on these ridiculous outright cheats, the EU consumer has NO idea what the actual mileage is going to be when they go to purchase a vehicle.

I can't believe they are allowed to change the final drive ratio and disconnect the alternator for mileage tests! Just..lmao. I can't believe they can do anything on that list actually.


RE: Traditionally
By michael67 on 12/9/2013 9:32:40 PM , Rating: 2
I totally agree, they should fix this behavior, but if all do it, it still gives you a clear comparison between the cars efficient.


RE: Traditionally
By Reclaimer77 on 12/9/2013 10:38:28 PM , Rating: 2
Hey I don't care how the EU does things.

I DO care when Europeans come over here and claim they have "60mpg" petrol cars.


RE: Traditionally
By Spuke on 12/10/2013 12:05:35 AM , Rating: 2
Quite frankly Rec I'm stunned at that link. That would be a massive scandal here. Probably be some people standing in front of Congress explaining themselves.


RE: Traditionally
By Strunf on 12/10/2013 8:00:19 AM , Rating: 2
Hell some politicians would be hanged cause of it... be real your Energy Star label is abused using dirty tricks too and I don't see anyone standing in front of the Congress.

BTW in the US 85% of the new car models aren't even tested by the EPA, their stats are given by the automaker without being checked.


RE: Traditionally
By Reclaimer77 on 12/10/2013 8:39:43 AM , Rating: 2
Except Energy Star loopholes were closed years ago. And they were never this bad in the first place.

All I hear from Europeans is how their Government is flawless, free of corruption, and their politicians pure as driven snow.

Yet its common knowledge automakers can outright cheat these tests, and no one is doing a thing about it. Hmmm that wouldn't be because of lobbying efforts by the manufacturers would it? That only happens in America!

As to your last point, Ford just got its ass handed to it over mileage claims on one model. And we're only talking like 3-4 mpg. So no, our automakers can't get away with fudging the numbers.


RE: Traditionally
By Strunf on 12/10/2013 11:04:06 AM , Rating: 2
Except the Energy Star Loopholes weren't closed years ago... EPA does not test all the products and instead relies on the data supplied by the manufacturer, they don't even give much thought to it (much like the patent office).

Funny cause as far as I know most Europeans do not trust their government, I guess you don't know many Europeans.

3-4mpg could be 10% depending on your mpg, Ford didn't get its ass handed it merely gave the buyers some pocket money to compensate the extra fuel they will use, Ford didn't even do anything illegal, as the EPA does not force the automaker to test every model, an automaker can test a single model and then rate every other model with the same rating provided they have the same engine, power train and weight class.

Be it in Europe or the US the moment you trust automakers to do their own tests they will always try to find a way to "cheat" on them.


RE: Traditionally
By seenmuch on 1/13/2014 12:46:32 AM , Rating: 2
Calling their EU consumption testing program worthless is a little like the pot calling the kettle black.....

This is really funny with everyone in the auto industry knowing that the current epa consumption test is even more useless. The current EPA consumption test is especially useless on auto diesels & small displacement gasoline and automatic transmissions equipped cars/autos...

On the current EPA test on light duty diesels rating data, there is a admitted error in test procedure papers from the EPA a error of 20-29+% low below real world on diesel powered autos.

The current city rating on the Passat diesel are as much as 30-40 % low on manual trans equipped models, 20-30% low on autobox equipped models. And the mixed numbers are 20-25% low below real world. And on the highway rating, the manual trans model is 25-30%low. With the highway autobox numbers being 15-25% low. The EU rating of 35-36 city/40-45 mixed/48-54 highway more matching the real world( automatic(DSG on right)/6spd man on left, numbers converted from L/100km EU ratings).

This is just one example of how far off the current EPA rating system is compared to real world and other rating systems around the world. The US system is also a sort of honor system that this article fails to point out. Two automakers got into trouble last year for overestimating rating numbers, in their honor based system....

The EPA also claims in their flawed rating system that there is no difference in consumption numbers between a manual trans and an automatic equipped models. The real world data shows there is a 10-15% minimum low error in the ratings on manual trans equipped models real world.

And that error in the EPA rating on manual trans models with diesel and small displacement gasoline powered units is even more pronounced. Current rating numbers by the EPA are showing lower than real world by as much 25-30% in manual trans models with diesel & small displacement gasoline power.

There is a similar false claim in the current EAP rating system of manual trans gasoline powered autos getting similar or less than automatic trans offerings with similar power.

The real world data shows that gasoline powered autos with automatic transmissions are over estimated by at least 15-20% above real world in most conditions, higher in more city driving loops....

Then even though they lowered the expectations of hybrids the current rating still overestimates consumptions numbers by 20% above what will ever be seen in the real world...

All this while the much maligned in the above quoted article EU at least returns numbers that in the real world return come close to the real world. Closer than the EPA rating has ever returned!!!

One should look at our own rating system before we start to throw rocks at someone elses system.....


RE: Traditionally
By bill.rookard on 12/9/2013 1:42:09 PM , Rating: 2
Just a quick note: the early Mustangs never used a V6 engine, they used an I6 ranging from 2.8L to 4.3L. Later Mustangs starting in 1974 saw the introduction of the 2.8L Cologne V6 engine.


RE: Traditionally
By JediJeb on 12/9/2013 3:56:49 PM , Rating: 3
Also there were no 4cylinder engines before that time. The 64 1/2 model used the 240 and 260 V8 as options versus the standard I6. 65 and 66 offered the 289 High Performance upgrade with I6 standard. 67 and 68 saw the change from the 289 to the 302 with the I6 still standard. 67 and 68 also saw the introduction of larger engines like the 370, 427, and 428 since the body size was increased those years to hold them. Body size kept increasing up until 74 when they were downsized due to the oil embargo fuel prices and stiffer emission standards and they became the Mustang II. Those years were not so good because the few that had the 302V8 were so weak that you could actually warp the body with the power even that engine produced.

I better stop or I will be sounding like a Wiki article lol.


RE: Traditionally
By JediJeb on 12/9/2013 3:57:31 PM , Rating: 2
Edit: Oops 390 not 370 V8.


RE: Traditionally
By SAN-Man on 12/9/2013 8:00:36 PM , Rating: 2
The original I6 engines were the 170 and 200.

The original V8 engines were the 260 and 289.

Ford did not designate those engines in liters. The engineering standard in the United States at the time, and what the Federal government required, was cubic inch displacement.

Do not try to rewrite history.


RE: Traditionally
By SAN-Man on 12/9/2013 8:04:12 PM , Rating: 2
In case you're curious, the US Federal Government converted engines sizes to metric in 1983.


RE: Traditionally
By Solandri on 12/10/2013 5:08:25 AM , Rating: 2
The U.S. auto industry uses metric. They standardized on metric once the mergers between international automakers began, and they realized how stupid it was to design/build cars using two different measurement systems.


RE: Traditionally
By SAN-Man on 12/10/2013 3:41:15 PM , Rating: 2
Not in 1964 or did you miss the point?


RE: Traditionally
By MichaelR on 12/10/2013 12:12:22 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
The 1964 Mustang has a V6 engine


You could get a V6 in the 1974 Mustang, but before that year all of the 6 cylinder engines were inline.


RE: Traditionally
By FITCamaro on 12/10/2013 9:25:06 AM , Rating: 2
Originally the car was designed for female secretaries.

In more recent years(late-80s, 90s, early to mid 2000s), the car is largely bought by parents giving their 16 year old daughter a "sports car" with the V6.

That's changed as gas has gotten more expensive and tastes changed.


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