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Tesla CEO Elon Musk  (Source: Associated Press)
Musk added that a lot of the media has delivered "inaccurate" and "unreasonable" reports in regards to the Model S fires

Tesla Motors CEO Elon Musk has responded to the recent Model S fires occurring around North America and he made one thing clear: there will not be a Model S recall
 
“There’s definitely not going to be a recall," said Musk according to a new report from Bloomberg. "We’re about five times less likely to have a fire than an average gasoline car. There are 200,000 gasoline car fires per year in the United States, 200,000. There are on average 250 to 300 automotive fire deaths in the U.S. How many times have you read about that?”
 
Musk added that a lot of the media has delivered "inaccurate" and "unreasonable" reports in regards to the Model S fires. 
 
Musk's comments were prompted by the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration's (NHTSA) decision to review the most recent Model S fire.


The first fire took place in early October of this year. A Model S driver in Kent, Washington was traveling southbound on State Route 167 when he hit a piece of metal debris on the freeway and subsequently caught fire.
 
Tesla spokeswoman Liz Jarvis-Shean said that a large metallic object hitting one of the battery pack modules caused the fire. The NHTSA did not investigate the fire at the time because of the partial government shutdown, which suspended such activity. 
 
The second Model S fire occurred shortly after near Merida, Mexico, but that's out of NHTSA's jurisdiction. 
 
The third incident occurred just days ago when a Model S driver in Murfreesboro, Tennessee hit a tow hitch on Interstate 24, which damaged the car’s undercarriage and caused a fire. The driver was able to exit the vehicle safely.
 
Special focus is being placed on the fact that the Model S' battery is located low in the body (to make for a lower center of gravity), making the battery an easy target when striking debris or hitting pavement.
 
Tesla said all three fires were caused by crashes; not spontaneous events.

Source: Bloomberg



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RE: Statistics
By Reclaimer77 on 11/13/2013 2:17:33 PM , Rating: 2
Using statistics in that matter is an easy way to cover the truth.

What's important here is all Tesla model S fires have the exact same cause: something impacted the battery compartment from underneath the car, causing a catastrophic failure of the battery resulting in fire.

I'm sorry but that can't be coincidence and we can't chalk that up to statistical happenstance.

I think Musk is making a huge mistake by not doing a recall. He cannot afford to lose face with his base. When you are paying this much money for a vehicle, you need to have some peace of mind that this very common occurrence, running over road debris, isn't going to result in the total loss of your vehicle and a possibly dangerous fire.

There are about 65,000 Nissan Leaf's on the road, and not a single incidence of vehicle fire. Presumably they've been involved in similar incidents; running over stuff. So clearly SOMETHING with Tesla's design needs to be shored up.


RE: Statistics
By ritualm on 11/13/2013 6:43:48 PM , Rating: 1
Jesus Crust, you are retarded.
quote:
What's important here is all Tesla model S fires have the exact same cause: something impacted the battery compartment from underneath the car, causing a catastrophic failure of the battery resulting in fire.

A small piece of rock is a huge threat to the ISS because, even when they seem to be moving very slowly relative to each other, they are in reality flying at very high speeds relative to the Earth they're orbiting around. The small foreign objects that totaled the unlucky Model S's can be likened to a razor-sharp sewing needle popping a balloon.

Just how much protection does the battery pack need to have before you'd consider it safe?
quote:
I think Musk is making a huge mistake by not doing a recall.

Doing a recall would be a big mistake. The same objects can hit the underside of a regular car and cause HUGE damage, including but not limited to killing everyone inside. These things hit the Model S' battery first, so the car itself takes the fatal hit while giving its occupants ample time to evacuate to safety.

Your comparison to the Nissan Leaf is stupid. The Leaf's battery is so much smaller than the Tesla's - that immediately reduces its risk exposure by virtue of limited surface area. What the Leaf doesn't have is supercar handling like the Tesla, total curb weight notwithstanding.

You are more likely to die in a car accident than you would be killed in a terrorist attack. To apply that logic to this article, you are more likely to walk away from a Tesla Model S alive than you would with any other vehicle under the same extraordinary sequence of events.


RE: Statistics
By Reclaimer77 on 11/13/2013 7:05:06 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
The same objects can hit the underside of a regular car and cause HUGE damage, including but not limited to killing everyone inside.


And you call me retarded?

Your analogies about the ISS were stupid enough. But this takes the cake.

Please go find me all the stories about someone running over a tow hitch and it killing everyone inside. Or a piece of pipe or metal debris. Are you hearing yourself?

quote:
you are more likely to walk away from a Tesla Model S alive than you would with any other vehicle under the same extraordinary sequence of events.


What you can "walk away" from was never even part of this discussion. Half of your post isn't even addressing any actual point anyone was making, certainly not any point of mine.

Also there's nothing at all "extraordinary" about running into or over something. It happens all the time, every day. And rarely results in the car catching on fire and being totaled.

Do yourself a favor, if you're going to open a post with calling someone retarded, what follows needs to not BE completely and utterly retarded.


RE: Statistics
By Keeir on 11/14/2013 1:23:58 AM , Rating: 3
Amazingly for an electric car article, I agree completely here.

As a structural engineer, the likely fix for this issue is a relative low cost item. Similar to the Volt fix involving a 100 dollar max peice of metal.

Tesla and Musk should just admit there appears to be a weak point that while meets regulations and passenger safety is preventing the Model S from being the Best Car on the road. Then go fix it. Cheaply and on a normal servicing. If they let this go on, it could become a much more expensive recall.


RE: Statistics
By Reclaimer77 on 11/14/2013 9:09:14 AM , Rating: 3
Lol the Apocalypse is upon us!!

Now seriously, I agree. This is an obvious structural issue that's easily solved. Why are people being so resistant?

Toyota was raked over the coals for a phantom issue that had way less evidence backing it than this Tesla issue.


RE: Statistics
By Richard875yh5 on 11/14/2013 9:22:34 AM , Rating: 1
I agree. Musk should recall those cars. If he doesn't he can kill his company goodbye. Maybe in either case he can kill his company goodbye.


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