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Take a look at the PS4's innards a week before its release

Only a week before release, we finally get a glimpse of the PlayStation 4's guts -- and it's looking beautiful, both inside and out.

Yasuhiro Ootori, Sony engineering director, conducted an exclusive teardown of the PS4 in a Wired video. Ootori takes it apart piece-by-piece to show exactly what Sony's packing in its latest console.

One of the biggest changes you'll see from PS3 to PS4 is the integrated power adapter. This eliminates the need for a large mass on the outside of the console, making the design cleaner and more convenient. 

Another huge change is the switch to an x86 CPU architecture. This is what's typically used in PCs, meaning that it will be much more developer-friendly than the PS3. While the PS3 touted the powerful the Cell Processor, it made life hard for game developers. 


The video also shows a 500GB hard disk drive; 8GB of GDDR5 memory (eight on each side of the main processor for a total of 8GB); a secondary processor for network processing with low power consumption; two heat pipes for the heat sink; an 85-mm-diameter centrifugal fan, and ports for USB 3.0, Ethernet, HDMI, optical audio output and an AUX connector for the camera. 

The PlayStation 4 is set to release November 15 in the U.S. and November 29 in Europe. It'll be priced at $399. 

The PS4 will be competing with Microsoft's Xbox One this holiday season, which has a November 22 release date in the U.S. and is priced $100 higher than the PS4 at $499. 

Check out Wired's full video here

Sources: Wired [1], [2]



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very simple
By CaedenV on 11/7/2013 11:28:21 AM , Rating: 2
It is amazing to me just how simple the design is on these next gen consoles. The motherboard is essentially empty, and the largest single component inside the case seems to be the PSU which isn't all that large to begin with.

Once they hit a die shrink in a few years and can get away with a smaller PSU then the refresh unit is going to make the PS2 slim look huge lol.




RE: very simple
By Nortel on 11/7/2013 11:29:33 AM , Rating: 2
It's a low end computer, what did you expect... console magic?


RE: very simple
By tayb on 11/7/2013 11:40:45 AM , Rating: 2
Let's see what I can get from Dell for $399.

2 Core CPU
4GB Memory
500 GB HDD
Integrated Graphics
DVD Drive
Wifi

Or... let's see what you get for $399 with a PS3.

8 Core CPU
8GB Memory
500GB HDD
Upper mid level GPU
Blu-ray drive
Wifi
Bluetooth

One of these things is not like the other.


RE: very simple
By Motoman on 11/7/2013 11:58:40 AM , Rating: 5
I'm not sure you're comparing apples and apples...and the term "integrated graphics" isn't nearly as much an insult as it used to be, especially on AMD devices. I wouldn't assume that the PS3 is necessarily a better gaming box than a machine with a mid-range AMD APU.

Also, other than the Wii, consoles are generally sold at a loss, while a PC has to make money.


RE: very simple
By corduroygt on 11/7/2013 12:06:28 PM , Rating: 2
No commercially available AMD APU comes even close to the PS4 GPU and memory system under the hood. They have much fewer shaders, ROPS, and attached to a 128-bit DDR3 interface opposed to 256-bit GDDR5.


RE: very simple
By Motoman on 11/7/2013 12:07:46 PM , Rating: 1
Sure...but this thread is talking about the PS3, not the PS4.


RE: very simple
By corduroygt on 11/7/2013 12:51:20 PM , Rating: 2
The specs listed under the "PS3" make it obvious that it means PS4 and was a typo. PS3 is also $199 vs $399 of PS4.


RE: very simple
By Mitch101 on 11/7/2013 5:17:44 PM , Rating: 2
Sony plans to charge a monthly fee of $9.99 in the United States and 6.99 euros in Europe for playing multiplayer online games on its PlayStation 4 console scheduled to debut this month.

Seems a little steep.

https://www.google.ca/#q=sony+plans+to+charge+%249...


RE: very simple
By corduroygt on 11/7/2013 6:23:38 PM , Rating: 2
It's $10/month, $20/3 months, or $50/year. If you're not an idiot, you'll buy it yearly.


RE: very simple
By BZDTemp on 11/9/2013 5:00:04 AM , Rating: 3
You need to look closer (as does the people that wrote the article you're linking to). To play online with the PS4 then for a Sony first it is gonna cost money, however you do get a lot more than just online play.

Currently a Playstation Plus subscription gives you:

- 12 free games* for the PS3
- 6 free PS vita games
- New free games each month
- Discounts when buying games online (sometimes huge discounts)

And Sony is saying once the PS4 is out they will do more for it, so the subscription is much more than just play online. The Playstation Plus thing is cool enough that loads of people have been subscribing on the PS3 where it is not needed to play online. Also one subscription will cover all three systems, something which I can see will mean a steady stream of games even for the old gear :-)

*It is worth nothing the games aren't crappy ones. The PS3 list currently includes Uncharted 3, XCOM Enemy Unknown, Ico, Shadow of the Colossus, LBP karting...


RE: very simple
By hughlle on 11/7/2013 12:20:04 PM , Rating: 2
Strange. Because for that price the first pre-buit system i looked at comes with quad core, 8gb memory, dedicated graphics, the works.

Seems you've tried to base your argument by using the worst machine you could find in that price range.

I couldn't really care to argue about it though. So far as i'm concerned, i've seen the gameplay footage of the PS4, and it looks very much like what you'd get from a low to mid range pc.


RE: very simple
By jahwarrior on 11/7/2013 1:26:19 PM , Rating: 2
There is now way that low to mid range PC can run Battlefield 4 at 1080p/60 fps with ambient occlusion. you would at least need to spend 2x-3x more on a PC to match the PS4 for gaming.


RE: very simple
By Nortel on 11/7/2013 1:31:13 PM , Rating: 2
A 3 year old mid range computer (essentially any i5 cpu) with 4gb ram and a 2-3 year old mid end graphics card will cost next to nothing. This setup will trounce the ps4 in graphical quality and fps.


RE: very simple
By retrospooty on 11/7/2013 1:55:09 PM , Rating: 2
CPU and RAM yes, but GPU? No, not even close. A 2-3 year old mid range card. That would be like a Radeon 5650 with a whopping 25.6GB per second memory bandwidth. The PS4 has 176.0 GB/s which is comparable to todays mid range cards like the 7850. It stacks up well against a mid range PC today... However a high end card is a HUGE bump on a PC.


RE: very simple
By retrospooty on 11/7/2013 1:57:42 PM , Rating: 2
Actually a better comparison would be the R5750@ about 75 GB/s Closer, but still not as fast as PS4.


RE: very simple
By Nortel on 11/7/2013 4:18:41 PM , Rating: 2
*whooping*?

In 2010 they released the GeForce 580 with 192.4GB/S memory bandwidth. That was quite awhile ago...

Additionally, using memory bandwidth as a benchmark is insane. It has almost no baring on computational speed. A modern GeForce 760 has 192GB/S and is under $250. This card is way faster compared to what the ps4 packs.


RE: very simple
By Reclaimer77 on 11/7/2013 4:43:37 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
A modern GeForce 760 has 192GB/S and is under $250. This card is way faster compared to what the ps4 packs.


And it costs more than half of the entire console alone. Hello?


RE: very simple
By Nortel on 11/8/2013 11:21:44 AM , Rating: 2
A computer can do a hell of a lot more compared to a console. Additionally, anyone who has a console has a computer as well. Simply budget for a $250 graphics card, add to any modern low/mid end computer and you have a gaming machine which trounces the ps4/xbone.


RE: very simple
By ianweck on 11/8/2013 6:38:06 PM , Rating: 2
WTF are you guys even arguing about anymore?


RE: very simple
By retrospooty on 11/7/2013 9:18:28 PM , Rating: 2
That was the high end card. This whole thing started talking about mid range, in fact YOU said it.


RE: very simple
By Omega215D on 11/7/2013 4:52:56 PM , Rating: 2
I dunno, my GeForce GTX 260 216 is quite old yet can still play BF4 (when it doesn't crash) quite smoothly at 1080p, somewhere around the 35 -40 fps. I consider the game to still be un-optimized so who knows what future updates will bring.

I haven't needed to upgrade to a new GPU in practically 4 years. Even still I don't have to pay too much for a new mid-range card that will blow my current card out of the water. CPPU is an AMD Phenom II X6 1090T.

So yes, my system can keep up and it won't cost too much to get it to surpass the current gen consoles, especially if I go to craigslist or Microcenter.


RE: very simple
By Omega215D on 11/7/2013 4:56:03 PM , Rating: 2
I will upgrade when GTA V and Watch_Dogs hit though. Then that new card will last me quite long if developers keep playing it safe in terms of eye candy, unless we have another Crysis on our hands.


RE: very simple
By Omega215D on 11/7/2013 4:58:01 PM , Rating: 2
And who am I kidding. I'll most likely pick up the PS4 over the Xbox One. Always gotta have a console for those exclusive titles like Uncharted and The Last of Us.


RE: very simple
By jahwarrior on 11/7/2013 5:50:54 PM , Rating: 2
Yeah, my 560ti can run it decently, but I would need to spend $250 to get at least a GTX 760 to surpass the ps4. another big reason I see to buy a console is game optimization, developers are putting out some seriously buggy games on PC these days.


RE: very simple
By Omega215D on 11/8/2013 12:21:08 PM , Rating: 2
No you don't. The GTX 560TI is more powerful than my card and it's still playing the new stuff without a hitch. So by the time you're ready for a new card you're most likely have to pay $130 - 170 for something comparable. If you spend in the $250 range then it'll outlast the consoles life for less money.

The programming thing I won't argue. Though with the new architectures from the two consoles it would mean easier porting of popular games that aren't console exclusives.


RE: very simple
By Reclaimer77 on 11/7/2013 3:06:51 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
A 3 year old mid range computer (essentially any i5 cpu) with 4gb ram and a 2-3 year old mid end graphics card will cost next to nothing. This setup will trounce the ps4 in graphical quality and fps.


That is a completely idiotic statement. Seriously, I'm a PC gamer, I probably won't even buy a PS4, but you are SO wrong.


RE: very simple
By hughlle on 11/7/2013 2:24:20 PM , Rating: 2
Neither can the PS4...


RE: very simple
By piroroadkill on 11/8/2013 4:45:25 AM , Rating: 1
To be fair, nor does the PS4.
Battlefield 4 is running at 1600×900 on PS4. 1280×720 on Xbox One.


RE: very simple
By tayb on 11/7/2013 3:24:35 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Strange. Because for that price the first pre-buit system i looked at comes with quad core, 8gb memory, dedicated graphics, the works.


By all means show me the evidence.


RE: very simple
By Argon18 on 11/7/13, Rating: -1
RE: very simple
By Wolfpup on 11/8/2013 11:12:36 AM , Rating: 1
They're usually outperformed by the best PCs at launch. It's weird you're comparing the SNES and Gamecube given they launched a decade apart. I don't know how they developed for SNES, but it's hardly relevant to how powerful PCs were at the time, nor to how things are developed now.

You can exceed these specs with a PC now easily...in fact my Alienware notebook I bought this summer exceeds them. BUT PS4 is still a good deal at $400, and the reality is developers do an AMAAAAAZING job pushing a console's fixed hardware over the life of it. I'm STILL visually blown away by new PS3 games like Beyond and The Last of Us, while my 2008 notebook that's theoretically more powerful than the current consoles chugs on most current games. When I think how far both consoles (and particularly Naughty Dog and David Cage's group) have come on 2005-era hardware, I have zero doubt that I'll be blown away years and years into this generation.

I was actually kind of disapointed by the current gen hardware as it is-CPUs were anemic in some ways, GPUs were of course outdated by 2006 compared to Nvidia's newest, but they still impress visually (much less in gameplay) clear into 2013.


RE: very simple
By Mitch101 on 11/7/2013 5:00:06 PM , Rating: 2
The only thing he left out is where to solder the mod chip.


RE: very simple
By piroroadkill on 11/8/2013 5:33:22 AM , Rating: 1
It's not a low end computer, though.

Radeon 7850~ class GPU
8GiB GDDR5
8-Core x86 CPU.
Bluray drive
500GB HDD

That's firmly a midrange gaming computer.
The CPU is the weakest part for sure, since each thread isn't exactly that fast. They'll just need to write well threaded code for it.


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