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AMD Radeon R9 290 @ Hot Hardware
DailyTech's roundup of reviews from around the web for Tuesday

AMD Radeon R9 290
@ Hardware Canucks
@ Hardware Heaven
@ The Tech Report
@ PC Perspective
@ TechSpot
@ Legit Reviews
@ Legion Hardware
@ Hexus
@ Hot Hardware
@ Guru3D
@ OCC
@ TweakTown

Motherboards
Gigabyte Z87 Haswell Motherboard Round-Up @ HotHardware.com
GIGABYTE Z87X-UD5H Motherboard @ PC Perspective
ASUS X79 Deluxe @ Vortez
MSI Z87M Gaming Motherboard @ PureOverclock
ASUS ROG Maximus VI Formula Motherboard @ Madshrimps

Graphics
HIS Radeon R9 290X 4GB in CrossFire Video Card @ TweakTown

Storage
SilverStone EC05 Two Port SATA III PCI Express RAID Card @ TweakTown
Thermaltake MAX-1562 6-in-1 2.5-inch Drive Enclosure @ TweakTown
Toshiba Q Series Pro SSD (256GB) @ The SSD Review
Mushkin Chronos Deluxe 240GB RAID 0 SSD Report @ TweakTown
Seagate 600 480GB SSD @ Custom PC Review
Western Digital My Passport Slim (WDBGMT0010BAL) 1 TB Portable Hard Disk Drive @ Tech ARP
Kingston SSDNow E50 Enterprise SSD Review (240GB) @ The SSD Review
SilverStone EP02 SATA to USB 3.0 Adapter @ TweakTown
Samsung 840 EVO 750GB @ PureOverclock
iStarUSA BPN-2535DE-SA and BPU-124DE-SS HDD Docks @ Pro-Clockers
Toshiba HG5D Series Client 2.5" SSD (512GB) @ Technology X

Enclosures
Cooler Master Cosmos SE @ Guru3D
Aerocool DS Dead Silence Cube Chassis @ eTeknix
Cooler Master HAF Stacker 935 Computer Case System @ Benchmark Reviews
BitFenix Ronin Mid-Tower Case @ Legit Reviews

Cooling
SilverStone Tundra SST-TD02 All-In-One Liquid CPU Cooler @ Benchmark Reviews
Antec KUHLER H2O 650 Liquid CPU Cooler @ NikKTech
SilverStone Tundra TD02 All-in-one (AiO) CPU Cooling System @ Pro-Clockers
Thermaltake Frio Extreme CPU Cooler @ NikKTech
Thermaltake Massive 14² Notebook Cooler @ Funky Kit
Noctua NH-L9i Low Profile Heatsink @ Frostytech.com

Networking
Asus RT-AC56U and RT-AC68U @ Hexus
TRENDnet AC1750 Dual Band Wireless Router @ NikKTech

Peripherals
Genius GX Manticore Gaming Keyboard @ Modders-Inc
Roccat Kone Pure Optical Mouse @ eTeknix
Mad Catz S.T.R.I.K.E. 3 Gaming Keyboard @ Madshrimps
ASUS Xonar U7 @ Vortez
Steelseries Siberia V2 Heat Orange Headset @ Funky Kit


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GTX 770/780 still winners
By techxx on 11/5/2013 1:41:07 PM , Rating: -1
The 290 cards offer excellent performance no doubt, but like Anandtech writes, they are WAY too loud and drink way too much juice. After NVIDIA's price cuts, I think the GTX 770 is the best balance of performance, price, and noise. I will be curious to see how some of the aftermarket coolers work for the 290 however.




RE: GTX 770/780 still winners
By crimsonson on 11/5/2013 2:44:38 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
I will be curious to see how some of the aftermarket coolers work for the 290 however.

Which would then negate some of the price/performance advantage.

I do like the card but it would be unusable for me because of the noise factor.

Of course some this is not an issue.


RE: GTX 770/780 still winners
By Cypherdude1 on 11/6/2013 3:30:53 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
After NVIDIA's price cuts, I think the GTX 770 is the best balance of performance, price, and noise.
Yes, I was waiting for AMD's 290 to arrive and for nVidia to respond by cutting their 770. I didn't have to wait long. They announced last week the 770 MSRP was dropping to $330. That's a pretty good price. Interestingly, NONE of the major sellers are listing the 770 at MSRP. I don't understand why either. Perhaps it's too soon. eVGA's 02G-P4-2770-KR GeForce GTX 770 2GB is currently listing for these prices:
Amazon: $342
http://www.amzn.com/B00CZIQXFG
Newegg: $345
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N8...
TigerDirect: $340
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTool...

While the above price drops are nice, they really should be selling the 770 at MSRP. Either it's too soon or they need to get the new inventory from the manufacturers which were produced at the new lower MSRP price. I am not in a hurry so I'll probably wait.


RE: GTX 770/780 still winners
By Mitch101 on 11/6/2013 10:45:10 AM , Rating: 2
AMD should be close to producing a 20nm chip its on the roadmaps for global foundries and TSMC that the end of 2013 20nm manufacturing should be in full swing so we could see die shrinks in Q1 2014 from both sides. I'm going to try and hold on until I hear about the next die shrink.

I find it odd the only the top and bottom R series has the audio option while the middle doesnt so Im betting that within 5 months we see the entire line get revised.


By inperfectdarkness on 11/6/2013 12:23:00 PM , Rating: 2
Support AMD. I'd really hate to live in a world where my options are Intel integrated & Nvidia--both sans competition.


RE: GTX 770/780 still winners
By Mint on 11/5/2013 3:58:09 PM , Rating: 5
The noise issue really subjective.

HardOCP said this:
quote:
Fan noise at 47% is negligible, we heard the fan, but it was nowhere near annoying or loud while gaming. Even when we increased it to manual of 100% it did not increase much beyond 50% while gaming.


Techreport said this:
quote:
Finally, I don't think this blower's ~49 dBA reading is the worst of its type. The quality of the sound isn't grating. Subjectively speaking, there are much more annoying coolers in this territory on the decibel meter. The impressively smooth, gradual ramp of fan speeds up and down in the new PowerTune algorithm helps make the noise less noticeable, too. This ain't an FX-5800 Ultra, folks.


So don't take Anandtech's word as the be-all-end-all.


RE: GTX 770/780 still winners
By Phoque on 11/6/2013 6:48:26 PM , Rating: 2
If I were regularly investing in 300-400$ graphics cards, I think it would make sense to buy a water cooling kit and just buy a new water block for each new graphics card.

As well as keeping noise to a minimum, you could squeeze some extra over clocking performance.


RE: GTX 770/780 still winners
By musterfox on 11/6/2013 1:39:47 AM , Rating: 4
Two sites have done quick tests with 3rd party cooling solutions. Tom's tried out an Arctic's Accelero Xtreme III (too expensive but shows the potential) and Techspot took an IceQ X2 cooler off a HIS Radeon R9 280X and stuck it on their R9 290 sample. Here's what they said about the results -

Tom's-
"If anything deserves an award, it’s the Arctic Accelero Xtreme III third-party cooler that lets AMD's Hawaii-based boards realize their potential. This is how the card could, and should, perform. Why AMD persists with its sub-par cooling solution is really anyone’s guess, especially since these problems have been going on for years. Dumping the issue on its partners can’t really be the solution either, since a graphics card’s reputation is made, or lost, on launch day."


Techspot-
"Cooling was dramatically improved. The FurMark stress test maxed out at 76 degrees while the card never exceeded 63 degrees in Crysis 3 and Battlefield 4. So it seems as expected the board partners will be able to solve the heat issues of the reference card."

I think both the R290 and the R290X are going to really shine with 3rd party cooling solutions. The R290 is going to offer extreme VFM that Nvidia is going to find very, very hard to match. The reason that AMD is (allegedly) holding back on letting 3rd party manufacturers release custom R290X solutions is because AMD is waiting to see what the 780Ti brings to the table and then try and beat (or offer better value) that with a custom R290X solution.

As for Nvidia's 780, it might not look tempting even if the price differential between the 780 and the R290 narrows down due to custom cooling solutions on the R290. If anything, custom coolers will allow users to push the R290 even further and put even more pressure on 780 pricing levels.

Its only a matter of time before QUIETER & COOLER 290/290X cards are available at a price point that will force Nvidia to slash pricing yet again on the 780 or risk making it virtually redundant.


RE: GTX 770/780 still winners
By FITCamaro on 11/6/2013 7:32:58 AM , Rating: 2
I'm not really concerned with it costing me a few extra dollars PER YEAR on my power bill.

And as others have said, the reference cooler is easily fixed by third parties using a better cooler.


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