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New 8 inch tablet prototype also leaks

Hot on the heels of the announcement of the 10.1-inch Lumia 2520 Windows RT 8.1 tablet and the 6-inch Lumia 1520/1320 phablets -- plus some slick accessories like the "Treasure Tag" -- at Nokia World, more fresh devices are leaking from the Nokia Devices brand.

I. Lumia 929 Set to Rock Verizon

First up is the Lumia 929.  The Lumia 929 will be an iterative bump to Nokia's line to keep up with Jones, i.e. the Android OEMs who are flocking to the quad-core Snapdragon 800, which is becoming available at last from Qualcomm Inc. (QCOM).

Under Microsoft's guidance, Nokia is moving to a more aggressive device rollout schedule, and the Lumia 929 is proof of that.

The device is set to go on sale at Verizon Communications Inc.'s (VZ) Verizon Wireless brand -- the largest LTE carrier in the U.S. -- and is also rumored to be an exclusive (for the holidays at least).  The phone runs Windows Phone 8 Update 3, the last major update to arrive before Windows Phone 8.1.

Lumia 929
  • Price :
    • ??
  • Form Factor
  • Size:   ??
  • Weight: ??
  • Colors
    • glossy white
    • matte black
  • Screen
    • 5.0 inches
    • 1080p (1920x1080 pixel)
    • 440 ppi
    • AMOLED
    • Gorilla Glass 3
  • SoC
    • Qualcomm Snapdragon 800
      • 2.26 GHz quad-core ARM Krait 400 CPU
      • Adreno 330 GPU
  • RAM:
    • 2 GB DRAM
  • Battery
    • ??
  • Storage
    • Internal
    • 32 GB
    • No microSD
  • Camera(s)
    • Rear
      • 20MP (with PureView optical stabilization)
    • Front
      • 1.3MP
  • Connectivity
    • LTE
    • Dual-band Wi-Fi (2.4G/5G) 802.11 a/b/g/n/ac
    • Bluetooth v4.0
    • NFC
  • Other
    • Qi charging

Another leak -- from top Nokia leaker @ev-leaks on Twitter -- revealed an upcoming 8-inch Windows RT tablet from the Nokia Devices brand. 
The tablet is rumored to be in the testing phase under the codename "Illusionist" and will be only Nokia's second large-size tablet computer following the 10-inch Lumia 2520.  If the Lumia 2520 is any clue, the 8-inch Lumia device may pack higher end hardware and a slightly higher sticker price than possible 7-to-8-inch Microsoft Surface branded devices.

The Verge has offered direct confirmation from Nokia Devices that the 8-incher is indeed real.  They add that it will pack a Qualcomm chip (likely the Snapdragon 800).  The small tablet is reportedly due out later next year along with budget Lumia 1310.

Sources: WPCentral, EV Leaks, The Verge

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RE: Doesn't matter.
By a5cent on 11/5/2013 11:24:42 AM , Rating: 2
> 9xx = High end, all the bells and whistles, on contract
> The third number denotes carrier variants.

So you are saying it makes sense that both the L920 (based on Snapdragon S4) and L929 (based on Snapdragon 800) are in the same "high-end" category? There is a huge generational gap between those two devices that isn't reflected in model number. Additionally, going by your theory, the L929 should merely be a carrier variant of the L920, when it clearly is not.

> Higher numbers are better. End of story really. Is math complicated for you?

Then the L1320 is better than the L920, right? Nope. Everything single thing about the L1320 is worse, except that it has a larger (albeit lower quality) display. I could have compared the L1320 with the L929 and the difference would have been even greater.

The L1020 must also be clearly better than the L920, right? Maybe. Both are EXACTLY the same device, except for the camera module on the L1020. Based on the numbering scheme, most would intuitivly expect a generational gap between the two, where there clearly isn't one.

I could provide many more examples...

Due to the many inconsistencies, the "higher number is better" theory does nothing to help consumers make informed puchasing decisions.

> The second number denotes the OS -
> x0x = Windows Phone 7.x
> x2x = Windows Phone 8.x

You're forgetting that Nokia also gave us "x1x" devices, like the L510, L610 and L710. All of these ship with WP7, but then how do you explain the L810, which ships with WP8? Nope, that explanation for Nokia's numbering scheme doesn't work either.

In summery, the third number doesn't consistently denote carrier variant, the second number doesn't consistently denote OS version, and the first two numbers designate absolutely nothing, but at least they do so consistently ;-)

No. I appreciate WP and I think Nokia make great devices, but Reclaimer77 is right. Nokia's naming scheme is a complete and utter mess!

RE: Doesn't matter.
By Reflex on 11/5/2013 1:17:35 PM , Rating: 2
The 1520 is the high end phablet.
The 1320 is the low end phablet.

And yes, the 920 is a generation behind the 929. Both are based on WP8. But the 920 is not competing with the 929 and as such they won't be compared to each other. The 929 is competing with the 928, both of which are Verizon variants. And yes, they are both 9xx series(high end), x2x series(WP8) and the 8 vs 9 is the upgraded hardware. Its really NOT difficult to grasp unless you decide to make it difficult.

If I am a Verizon user I have the following Nokia phones -

L822 - Midrange WP8 device, VZ version
L928 - Last year's high end Lumia, WP8, VZ version
L929 - Coming soon, this year's high end, WP8, VZ version

This really is NOT complicated. And the only point you made that seems valid to me is the awkward positioning of the L810, which seemed odd to me at the time as well.

RE: Doesn't matter.
By a5cent on 11/5/2013 2:37:37 PM , Rating: 2
I'm not claiming it's hard. I'm claiming the numbering scheme is just arbitrary enough to be rather useless. There is literally nothing a consumer can expect to correctly and consistently derive from the model number. Even people who care about tech can't intuitivly make sense of it, and even you had to setup a table to explain it. IMHO that's just not intuitive enough, particularly not for the average tech consumer.

Your statement, that the L929 isn't competing with anything beyond the L928 just isn't true either. You can make that claim only for those who choose Verizon first and phone second, but that isn't everyone's approach.

For the average consumer, the model designation "Lumia 1320" is completely useless, as it doesn't help anyone categorize the device. Don't you think calling it, say, a L625 MAX (just as an example) would have been more helpful? Technologically at least, the L1320 is a much closer relative of the L625 than of the L1520, and that suffix would also have been a useful clue.

Let me put it this way:

Do you really think Nokia's current model numbering scheme is as intuitive and descriptive as it could be? If not, then it deserves to be changed, for WP's sake.

RE: Doesn't matter.
By Reflex on 11/6/2013 2:28:17 AM , Rating: 1
Your statement, that the L929 isn't competing with anything beyond the L928 just isn't true either. You can make that claim only for those who choose Verizon first and phone second, but that isn't everyone's approach.
The crowd you speak if is a tiny minority. Due to contract lock in and multiple lines on an account, it is extremely difficult for the vast majority of cell users to switch. By the time all of the contracts are up the phone they might have switched for is likely obsolete. I used to work for a carrier, I can tell you now from the inside the number of switchers is minimal, and irrelevant. Having model number naming consistently within carrier options is way more important than having it be consistent across all models around the globe.

Do you really think Nokia's current model numbering scheme is as intuitive and descriptive as it could be? If not, then it deserves to be changed, for WP's sake.
Within a carrier it is plenty descriptive. I'm not a fan of MS's normal naming bullshit, in fact "Windows Phone 8" is itself a bullshit name. Keeping it short and sweet is a good thing. So while I would not go out on a limb and say Nokia's scheme is ideal, I do think a model name and a number are a damn good approach. After all it works very well for a wide variety of other products.

And no, adding "MAX" to the end looks terrible.

RE: Doesn't matter.
By a5cent on 11/6/2013 11:31:36 AM , Rating: 2
> And no, adding "MAX" to the end looks terrible.

You feel "Max" is aesthetically unpleasing, that's fine. I don't care. Use your imagination to come up with something you feel is better. Since you aren't willing to say that Nokia's naming approach is ideal, you should be able to. I'm fine with just a brand name and model number too. I'm not advocating for any particular solution. I'm advocating for systematic consistency and transparency accross the board. I don't care how.

The L1320 and L920 are sold world wide, and the inconsistencies I and others mentioned still apply, even if you exclude the L929 from consideration.

I agree that Windows Phone 8 is a BS name. I'm not even convinced it should be called Windows.

IMHO your argument that consistency need only be guaranteed within the line up of a single carrier is BS. I also work for a carrier, albeit in Europe, where carriers have a far weaker hold on customers, and where switching providers is simple. Narrowly limiting your view to only the U.S. market isn't sufficient.

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