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He said the best hydrogen fuel cell technology doesn't compare to the energy density of lithium-ion batteries

Tesla Motors CEO Elon Musk has made his view on hydrogen fuel cell cars clear: they're bullshit.

In a a speech at a new Tesla service center in Germany, Musk told employees and enthusiasts that those who oppose electric vehicles (EV) but are onboard with new technology like hydrogen fuel cell cars need to know that it's more of a marketing gimmick than a real clean energy solution. 

 “And then they’ll say certain technologies like fuel cell … oh god … fuel cell is so bullshit. Except in a rocket," said Musk.

More specifically, Musk said that even the best hydrogen fuel cell technology doesn't compare to the energy density of lithium-ion batteries, such as that found in Tesla's Model S. 

Check out the video below for Musk's comments, which start at the 29-minute mark:

Musk may hold this opinion because his company only offers EVs for the time being, but not all automakers feel that hydrogen fuel cell is a waste of time.

Earlier this month, Toyota said it was passing up EVs in favor of more hybrids and its first hydrogen fuel cell release in 2015. According to Toyota Chairman Takeshi Uchiyamada, EV batteries need at least two major breakthroughs before they can replace gasoline or hybrid vehicles. 
"The reason why Toyota doesn’t introduce any major [all-electric product] is because we do not believe there is a market to accept it,” said Uchiyamada. "I personally expect a lot from this hydrogen fuel cell technology. If government and industry work together, this might be part of the long-term solution."

Back in July, General Motors (GM) and Honda announced that they'd team up for fuel cell vehicle technology as well. They hope to commercialize the technology by 2020. 

However, GM still has a foot in the EV market as well. In fact, it wants to directly compete with Tesla by offering a 200-mile affordable EV. Tesla said it is working on a new vehicle with the same range, which aims to be more affordable than the current Model S. GM is also gunning for Tesla with luxury Cadillac EVs

Others onboard with Musk's love for EVs is Volkswagen, which wants to lead the EV market by 2018 starting with the eGolf and eUp!, and Nissan, which has upped its EV efforts by cutting purchase and lease prices of the all-electric Leaf and even offering free charging for a year to Leaf owners in Texas (and eventually other states).

Tesla is certainly a superpower in the EV startup realm. The company successfully paid off its $465 million government loans nine years early, pulled a surprise profit for Q2 2013 with a revenue of $405.1 million, unveiled new tech for its Model S (swappable battery tech) and the Model S even snagged the highest safety rating from the NHTSA. It makes sense that Musk would try to keep this momentum going by advocating EVs over hydrogen fuel cells. 

Source: Wired

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RE: Quite frankly, he's right
By Reclaimer77 on 10/23/2013 5:27:00 PM , Rating: 0
A lot thought that Tesla wouldn't make it, but here we are and they are doing just fine. AND to get started they needed a loan from you and me (govt loan). And the Roadster cost over $100,000.

Isn't it ironic?

Out there somewhere are entrepreneurs who work just as hard as Musk, have just as much vision, and deserve the same chance of success that Musk had.

And here he is, saying their work is "bullsh*t". Because lets be honest, hydrogen cars don't put money in his already-swelling pockets, do they?

His opinion is just so insightful. It's right up there with the CEO of Coke saying Pepsi doesn't taste as good...

RE: Quite frankly, he's right
By Cheesew1z69 on 10/23/2013 6:41:29 PM , Rating: 3
It's right up there with the CEO of Coke saying Pepsi doesn't taste as good...
It doesn't :o

RE: Quite frankly, he's right
By Spuke on 10/24/2013 7:24:45 PM , Rating: 2
It sure as hell does!!!

RE: Quite frankly, he's right
By Cheesew1z69 on 10/24/2013 10:17:31 PM , Rating: 2
Pepsi is disgusting....

RE: Quite frankly, he's right
By Mint on 10/23/2013 7:02:49 PM , Rating: 2
You think Musk is saying anything original with these comments?

This has nothing to do with him. Hydrogen fuel cells have the same obstacles they always did. The gov't was offering a $12,000 tax credit for Honda's FCX, and they still didn't sell more than a handful.

RE: Quite frankly, he's right
By tng on 11/1/2013 4:33:55 PM , Rating: 2
they still didn't sell more than a handful.
It was my understanding that the FCX was lease only and people applied but only a handful were chosen. The actual price to make the car was something obscene like $200K and they wanted them back after the lease was up.

The FCX was like a beta test vehicle released to the public on a limited basis so they could gather data on the program. If that is true they did go all the way in testing the concept, always did admire Honda's gumption when it came to throwing new things out there.

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