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Nokia clarifies why it chose to trail Android OEMs in adopting larger screens, higher core count SoCs

This week Nokia devices -- the former Nokia Oyj. (HEX:NOK1V) that's now under Microsoft Corp.'s (MSFT) umbrella -- announced its first major device launch since Microsoft purchased it for $7.2B USD in September.  The results have thus far impressed, with the announcement of the 10.1-inch Lumia 2520 Windows RT 8.1 tablet and the 6-inch Lumia 1520/1320 phablets, plus some slick accessories like the "Treasure Tag".

I. Windows Phone Trims Hardware Gap With Android to About 6 Months

But the release of Lumia 1520 -- which packs a 1080p screen and quad-core Snapdragon 800 system-on-a-chip (SoC) from Qualcomm, Inc. (QCOM) -- raised some eyebrows given Nokia's past comments about HD screens and multi-core CPUs hurting more than they help.

In a new interview with TechRadar, Samuli Hanninen, Nokia Devices' VP of software program management, clarifies why Nokia trailed Android phonemakers in making the leap to 1080p and quad-core.

First he takes issue with the notion that it took "a long time", while acknowledging that Nokia's Windows Phone line has trailed Android on the path towards higher resolutions displays, first at the 720p node and then at the 1080p node.  He comments, "I don't think it took us a long time [to bring a Full HD display to a Nokia phone]."

From a pure numbers perspective, he has some grounds to make that argument.  Historically, Windows Phone has trailed Android and iOS by up to a year or two in key features.  But of late that gap has shrunk substantially.

The first 1080p Android smartphones weren't announced until early this year when HTC Corp. (TPE:2498) unveiled the One (February) and Samsung Electronics Comp., Ltd. (KSC:005930) announced the Galaxy S4 (March).  Both products did not start shipping at volume until May.

There's no official ship date for the Lumia 1520 in the U.S. -- yet -- but it's expected to ship within a few weeks.  So Nokia is trailing Android in 1080p adoption by about six months.

This is similar to the case with 720p; the 720p (1280x720 pixel) Galaxy S3 was announced in May 2012, while the similar resolution Lumia 920 (1280x768 pixel) was announced in September.

II. Necessity and Design Dictate Hardware Timing, Says Nokia

And Nokia says that the extra time for 1080p was necessary as the higher resolution required a jump in device size to be useful.  Mr. Hanninen comments, "You only see the benefits when using a 5-inch screen and larger, anything below that the eye can't see the difference."

Again there's a lot of truth to this comment.  At a certain use distance for any device there's a certain maximum resolution that is useful to individuals with average eyesight -- for 4-inch devices that resolution is (roughly) 720p; for 6-inch devices it's roughly 1080p.  Of course 1080p resolutions on 4- or 5-inch devices may make certain specialized applications (e.g. making rendered text look "smooth") less expensive and may provide some crispness/clarity gains for the minority of people who have above average eyesight.

Stephen Elop
Former Nokia CEO Stephen Elop criticized previous generations of multicore smartphone SoCs. [Image Source: Reuters]

Likewise Mr. Hanninen clarifies that Microsoft SVP (and former Nokia Oyj. CEO) Stephen Elop wasn't attacking multicore smartphone SoCs, just pointing out that they were only hype without proper device design and application.

Snapdragon 800
Qualcomm's Snapdragon 800 only became available in August. [Image Source: Liliputing]

He comments:

If I had the possibility of having a quad core CPU last year, I'd have said that I don't want it.  You have to get the best from a quad core chip. If you do it badly then the phones get very hot.

In other words, with older processor generations (i.e. the Snapdragon S4), Nokia didn't feel like it could design a quad-core smartphone that wouldn't be hot and inefficient.  The Snapdragon 800 (quad-core) only recently became available, so that explains Nokia's launch timing in a bit more depth.  (The first Snapdragon 800 equipped Android was LG Electronics, Inc.'s (KSC:066570) G2, which was announced in August.)

Source: TechRadar



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Numbers Game
By hpram99 on 10/23/2013 4:58:40 PM , Rating: 3
Just like megapixels, gigahertz, and "dual/quad" core.
Most companies like to list off tangible numbers that show the benefit to justify the premium. ie. This one has more "MP's!"

Looking back when Apple released the first few (notice I'm excluding the latter designs) iPhone designs, they focused on an overall design that worked well, instead of focusing on a certain number. Anyone that had a cell phone in that era can easily agree there was a significant increase in quality compared to what was available.

I feel that Nokia seems to be doing the same. The "best phone" doesn't necessarily have any need for quad-core, 4GB, 41MP (hehe), dual-band, 1080p tech.




RE: Numbers Game
By Argon18 on 10/23/13, Rating: -1
RE: Numbers Game
By Reclaimer77 on 10/23/13, Rating: -1
RE: Numbers Game
By althaz on 10/23/2013 6:11:00 PM , Rating: 4
Every Windows Phone Nokia makes that I have seen is available with a non-slip matte finish (phones I have personally seen with this finish: Lumia 520, 800, 900, 920, 925, 928, 1020).

At least try to have some sort of vague idea what you are talking about. The 920 was their first shiny Lumia, but was also available with a (much nicer) matte finish. That trend has continued with all subsequent devices, as far as I'm aware.

People wanted shiny (no idea why, I hate it), so they switched to shiny, but they didn't stop making matte textured versions :).


RE: Numbers Game
By Reclaimer77 on 10/23/13, Rating: -1
RE: Numbers Game
By OoklaTheMok on 10/23/2013 8:32:41 PM , Rating: 2
I think it must be those little dry hands of yours</snark>

The only WP phone that I have found that is slippery is the 925, with it's metal edges. Add one of the thin wrap around shells for it, and it's perfect.


RE: Numbers Game
By Labotomizer on 10/23/2013 9:46:54 PM , Rating: 2
I have a 928. I was tempted to get the white so it would stand out a bit more but it was really glossy. Didn't care for that much. The black is matte finish and I haven't had any issues with dropping it. I've also never put a smartphone in a case and I've been using them since the very early days. Never broke one either, although I think the Droid 2 was very much broke from the beginning... I'm sure if my experience on that weren't somehow worse than my MotoQ with WinMo I would have stuck with Android. My wife dropped my 928 off a 4' counter onto tile and there's a barely perceptible dent in the corner where it hit. Other than that not a mark.

The 920 is rounded isn't it? As is the 925 on TMo. Mine is definitely very pointy...

At any rate I don't think there's a right or wrong opinion. Well, other than Apple sucks. That's always the right opinion!


RE: Numbers Game
By Reclaimer77 on 10/24/13, Rating: 0
RE: Numbers Game
By CaedenV on 10/23/2013 10:13:36 PM , Rating: 2
Any of the matte finish phones should not be slippery. Most of the newer ones have this, but for the L920 it was pretty much only the black one. And really, who doesn't buy the black one?


RE: Numbers Game
By testbug00 on 10/23/2013 11:44:36 PM , Rating: 2
At least for the WP8 phones, Nokia offers Matte options for each phone (Sometimes only a matte option).

An example is the 920, red, yellow, white, and cyan are all "non-matte" while black and a color I cannot recall, are both matte.

And, once more, you haven't tried using a 920, 1020, or 520. All of those lack "sharp pointy corners"

How do I know? I personally own a 920 and 1020 and have a friend with a 520.


RE: Numbers Game
By Mint on 10/23/2013 6:40:30 PM , Rating: 4
quote:
Had Nokia used Android instead, they would have seen much greater market success.

quote:
Many Android phones feel plasticy and cheap.

I see. So if I ran a smartphone company in 2010 and offered well-built, well-reviewed products with Android, my market share would take off? Actually, let's say I'm the leading Android maker at the time, outselling even Samsung, then I should do even better than starting from 0%, right?

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-10-04/htc-posts...
Whoops. There goes that theory.

Ironic that you deride WP a "me too" product while simultaneously suggesting that Nokia should have become a me-too Android maker. If they wanted to go Android, they should have made that decision in 2009.


RE: Numbers Game
By Reclaimer77 on 10/23/13, Rating: 0
RE: Numbers Game
By ritualm on 10/23/2013 7:12:40 PM , Rating: 2
Unless HTC starts turning around soon, I can imagine seeing them on the auction block in a year or two.


RE: Numbers Game
By Reclaimer77 on 10/23/2013 7:28:20 PM , Rating: 1
I agree.

My point was if it wasn't for Microsoft, we would be saying the EXACT same thing about Nokia today.


RE: Numbers Game
By Labotomizer on 10/23/2013 9:50:38 PM , Rating: 2
It makes sense. Business isn't all about volume.

Microsoft offered Nokia a very good deal when they opted to go with WP. I won't argue they likely would have sold more phones with Android but I don't think they would have made more money. Nokia was on the upswing and was becoming profitable again when they sold. So MS buying them didn't save them. Microsoft offering financial incentives to go exclusively WP did though.

It was the smarter business decision. I honestly think MS would have rather done it with HTC years ago but I'm guessing HTC turned them down. If you remember with the WinMo days, MS and HTC were very much in bed. In fact, HTC made the best WinMo phones ever made. The HD2 was an amazing device at the time and, in all honesty, ran Android better than any Android device until 3.0 came out.


RE: Numbers Game
By DFranch on 10/24/2013 12:36:17 PM , Rating: 2
first of all "Magnitudes" is an exaggeration, they don't even sell double the smartphones Nokia sells.

HTC is the perfect example of why Nokia was smart not to use Android. Samsung has stolen the android market, and Nokia was smart not to try and compete with them in the android space. HTC was the top of the heap only a few years ago. Now they are in real trouble. Nokia was already in real trouble, and needed the cash from MS to try and turn things around. Google wasn't going to give them a dime, so they made the only smart choice at the time.

Oh, and if you include Nokia's Asha phones, Nokia outsells HTC by magnitudes.


RE: Numbers Game
By p05esto on 10/23/2013 8:46:57 PM , Rating: 2
Yea, I totally disagree with you. I love Windows8 on the phone, it's a sleek OS, fresh, easy to use and far superior than a screen of icons (IMO). Each to his own, but your opinion is as valid as mine, and I love the OS.


RE: Numbers Game
By testbug00 on 10/23/2013 11:41:05 PM , Rating: 5
sure, WP8 is a piece of garbage, except that it feels better to use for me than:
iOS4 (with jailbreak) iOS5 (jailbroken), iOS6, iOS7, Android 2.4, Android 4.2

Yup, totally broken. You sound like someone who has not used WP8 for any length of time.

ARE THERE PROBLEMS? YES! Many of them are quite silly problems.

Could you name any of them? PROBABLY NOT!


RE: Numbers Game
By djdjohnson on 10/24/2013 8:14:14 PM , Rating: 3
WTH are you talking about? Windows Phone is vastly more efficient than Android. WP7 and 8 both run really, really well on "slow" hardware. The $99 Nokia Lumia 520 (off-contract pricing) runs circles around anything under $300 running Android.


RE: Numbers Game
By Johnmcl7 on 10/23/2013 7:16:13 PM , Rating: 4
quote:
Looking back when Apple released the first few (notice I'm excluding the latter designs) iPhone designs, they focused on an overall design that worked well, instead of focusing on a certain number. Anyone that had a cell phone in that era can easily agree there was a significant increase in quality compared to what was available.


Definitely not, I found the original Iphone was a big downgrade in quality compared to even older phones at the time. The original Iphone wasn't very durable and the hardware was laughable, the year before Nokia had released the N95 with a 5MP autofocus camera, GPS, HSDPA, native multi-tasking and other basic features such as MMS, and copy/paste. The Iphone launched with a 2MP non-AF camera, no GPS, no 3G, no multi-tasking, no MMS, no copy/paste etc. it just seemed a joke but sadly Apple won out and started dragging the market backwards and taking many years to implement what Nokia had managed a long time before.


RE: Numbers Game
By kmmatney on 10/23/2013 8:01:51 PM , Rating: 2
The problem is you are just talking specs, and not how easy it is to use them. I know when I bought my first smartphone 4 years ago, many phones had similar "specs" than the iphone, but in terms of how easy it was to actually use the phone, nothing else came close. I have an Android now, because I wanted a bigger screen, but certainly the first iPhones were not a downgrade from anything else.


RE: Numbers Game
By radium69 on 10/24/2013 5:44:07 AM , Rating: 1
I don't know why you got a 3...

Quad core is welcome on WP8 because it helps opening the apps faster and in case of the 1020, helps take pictures faster.

The GUI is fluid, no doubt, but stuff like opening a game or program quick is not as quick on WP8 as on iOS or Android for that matter.

1080p on 6" is also welcomed because 720p gives a low DPI.

720p for under 5" is enough.

And the 41MP is needed for it's oversampling technique.
You absolutely have no clue about the Lumia 1020 or 808 Pureview... It's been discussed all over the web multiple times jeez. Do your research.

And about the iPhone, 2 and 3G 3GS didn't have MMS text messaging no led flash and a camera which was absolute shite.

In that time I already had all of those "features" and even xenon flash which still is superior...

Your post is bad, and you should feel bad. Stop spreading lies and deceiving everyone!


RE: Numbers Game
By Flunk on 10/24/2013 9:12:50 AM , Rating: 2
App loading is IO bound so extra cores isn't going to make a difference, not only that I've never had an issue with app load times in WP8. It doesn't affect the camera at all.


RE: Numbers Game
By hpram99 on 10/25/2013 11:53:05 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Quad core is welcome on WP8 because it helps opening the apps faster and in case of the 1020, helps take pictures faster.


How do you know? CPU speed has a common misunderstanding, a faster CPU is indeed itself faster, but the vast majority of applications are not CPU bound. Did you know the chipset in that 41MP camera doesn't actually support 41MP image processing? That's right, it's a different chip entirely that does the inital image capture/preprocessing.

I know exactly what the camera does, and I praised nokia for working on an overall design, instead of focusing on the numbers. If I recall correctly, in their press release, they said it's not about the number of pixels, but what you do with it.

Really, the rest of your post is actually supporting my claims. As I said, most companies focus on a specific spec to market their product, just like you said, your "other phones" had these features at the time before the iPhone. Yet the iPhone was extremely successful without these features due to overall design considerations. Much like Nokia rising to power with Windows Phone.


Or...
By CaedenV on 10/23/2013 4:46:29 PM , Rating: 1
I love my Windows Phone, but seriously, this is all marketing hype. The fact of the matter is that it took a time for MS to support 720p, 1080p, and quad core CPUs. Had the OS supported it then they would have implemented it when the 800 chips first came out rather than waiting half a year. We could have had a 5" 1080p 1020 device rather than a Lumia 920 with a 41MP camera hacked on.

On the other hand, WP8 managed to get a ton of performance out of duel core CPUs, and in spite of running on older duel core CPUs they still manage to get good battery life as well. So with that in mind I am pretty curious to see how it performs on a proper quad core.
The 1520 looks nice... but a nice big screen without software enhancements to make it useful just makes for an oversized phone... and nobody wants a big phone for the sake of having a big phone. We want a big phone so that we don't have to carry around a tablet or laptop. Lets see some winRT style snapping capabilities, and more fully featured office mobile. Give me the software to do more with a big device and I will get a big device. But if it is just a big regular smartphone then I'll stick with the more conventional sizes.




RE: Or...
By Argon18 on 10/23/13, Rating: -1
RE: Or...
By JasonMick (blog) on 10/23/2013 10:14:08 PM , Rating: 5
quote:
So what you're saying is that the Windows OS is way behind iOS and Android? That isn't news. Windows has always been behind iOS and Android, forever playing catch-up.
Alright, awesome, I'm setting my time machine to 2003. At least I know what kind of phones to look at -- Android, iOS -- I sure wouldn't get a Nokia or Windows Mobile phone.

After all, Captain Genius from the present told me Windows has "always been behind iOS and Android". Gee, I sure hope he isn't wrong!
quote:
That's why they're the 3rd place me-too product that nobody wants.
I agree, BlackBerry is looking more and more like nobody...
http://www.dailytech.com/RIM+CEO+We+Want+to+be+in+...

You forgot about Firefox OS, though (understandable).
quote:
Windows phone is a cheap imitation
Really? Does it look anything like Android or iOS? You clearly are full of insight, I'm glad you came along.
quote:
the $99 entry level price point they sell at is proof of this.
Yea totally... it's not like any Androids are $99, right?

And I mean price is clearly a measure of quality, that's why Apple devices are more expensive than Androids??

I'm totally gonna buy that 2003 iPhone along with some $$weet Monster cables! If it's more expensive it's better!!

I'm so glad you came along and enlightened us all with your wonderful fact based opinions.


RE: Or...
By testbug00 on 10/23/2013 11:54:26 PM , Rating: 2
you forgot that the $100 WP8 devices that exist have:
1. faster hardware
2. more RAM (Generally speaking)
3. larger screens
4. useful built in apps
5. run smoothly

Compared to $100 Androids (yes, I bought one of those) well, the 52x line crushes cheap Androids.

P.S. Don't forget to buy a PowerMac


RE: Or...
By purerice on 10/24/2013 4:38:37 AM , Rating: 2
all those features might be nice on a cell phone but to me the most important is the phone reception. Of the 6 phones-4 of them smart phones-I had in the US, sadly the best for use as a phone was a $20 dumb phone I used with Virgin Mobile for a couple months.

If a smart phone has bad calling capabilities, it is really just a glorified PDA. I want to believe that with Nokia's past leadership in phones that their phones will have better call quality than others such as Apple or Samsung.


RE: Or...
By CaedenV on 10/24/2013 12:43:38 AM , Rating: 2
Yes, WP is absolutely behind the other platforms. But lets remember the fact that it is a 3 year old interface running on a 1 year old OS core. Considering that it took them 3 years to go from scrapping their defunct product, migrate to a new UI, migrate to a new OS, and now catch up on hardware and app support they are really not doing bad at all. Now that they are just about caught up on hardware and major apps they are at a make-it or break-it point on features. I think that they are well aware of this and will have fixes in WP8.1 and the following GDRs next year which will bring the feature side up to par.

Lets also remember that the little Lumia 520 you mentioned. Lets find any other Android device in the sub $150 price range with a comparable feature set, store access, OS update support, and build quality. Sure, it runs on slow hardware, and does not have the greatest camera ever, but neither do any other devices in that price range. As more and more people pick up a 520 as a cheap go-phone or replacement device for their broken flagship when they are still waiting for their 2 year upgrade, then it will turn heads that you can get so many features for $100 or less.

And for the app ecosystem... I don't get the argument. The 2 popular apps that WP is missing are slated to come out before the end of the year (granted, that is MS speak for February). Also, the design philosophy of Android is to make a platform to run apps, skins, and mods, while the WP philosophy is to make a platform that essentially does everything, but can run apps for specific features, or if you simply want something different. The very nature of this philosophy means that WP will never have the same app count. But WP has had the bulk of the most popular apps for almost a year now, and will have the rest before the end of next year. But the whole point of the WP OS is that you simply don't need apps and mods to have a very functional device. That is very appealing to the average user.

But still, WP is behind. I am not a blind lover of all things MS who is oblivious to that. As things stand today there is not a huge reason to pick WP over iOS or Android. But a year from now, when MS has all of the major apps available, has caught up on features, and has a full set of next gen devices on hand, I find it very difficult to believe that the general public will continue to cling to the sad state of mid to low end Android devices and WP will pick up a ton of steam. 2012 was a year of transition to a new kernel, 2013 was a year of hardware support, 2014 will be a year of app and feature support, and 2015 will be the year of WP gaining popular acceptance.
I am not saying that WP will ever dominate the market like Android does today, but what I am saying is that Android will not dominate like it currently does either. If I had to guess I would imagine that in ~5 years we will see a constantly fluctuating 3 way tie for dominance. After that, who knows? Maybe smartphones become irrelevant in the light of some other device or form factor? Maybe Ubuntu or FireFox OS gains popularity? That is way too far in the future to predict. But unless something major happens between now and then, WP is on the road to be quite successful.


RE: Or...
By Reclaimer77 on 10/24/13, Rating: 0
RE: Or...
By FITCamaro on 10/24/2013 1:03:41 PM , Rating: 3
You realize that there are around 2 billion people in the world who just want a phone and don't do subsidies. They don't care that it isn't the fanciest. Nokia marketing to them with feature packed phones with still GOOD hardware is a viable way to get marketshare.


RE: Or...
By testbug00 on 10/23/2013 11:50:07 PM , Rating: 2
Er, you have a statement which is half true, WP8 launched with support for up to 64 cores.

Nokia could have launched the 1020 with a quad-core S4 in it from my understanding.

side note: Sadly, Nokia didn't just take a 920 and put a camera on it, they also changed the Fking display from IPS to pentile AMOLED (and made it lighter)


RE: Or...
By CaedenV on 10/24/2013 1:25:39 AM , Rating: 2
Nope, WP8 was released with the capability of supporting 2 cores. Not 1 core, not 4 cores, and not just any 2 cores, but a very specific Qualcomm S4 setup which is used in every WP8 device up until now. GDR3 devices will be the first WP8 devices to use something other than a duel core S4 chip, but I think they are still tied to Qualcomm architecture.

Now, the kernel, being based upon Windows NT, is capable of supporting a maximum of 64 cores. But lets not confuse the maximum cores that the kernel is able to address with the number of cores that the overall system is capable of utilizing. That is like saying that Windows 7 Home 64bit is capable of supporting 256 cores because that is what can be addressed by the software, when the reality is that Home edition is technically capped at a maximum of 8 cores for other reasons. Capable, and supported are 2 very different things.
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OK, so they took an 920, put on a more power efficient display, and hacked in a 41MP camera. If we are being that picky, they also removed the built in Qi charging (best feature ever), added a 2nd GB of ram, changed the case, and a few other things. But the similarities between the 920 and the 1020 are much more pronounced than any other 2 Lumia devices. And by 'hacked in' I literally mean that Nokia had to get lots of help from qualcomm to get the camera to work because it was well beyond hardware spec. Qualcomm figured out how to force it to work anyways, and showed Nokia how to do it. It works just fine the way that it is... it would just work better with a faster CPu with more cores that could better keep up with that amount of data. But as that was not available, Nokia found a way to make it work rather than waiting for a Christmas release where it would face stiffer competition.

And why does everyone hate amoled? I am never going to be using my phone for hard core photo or video editing where I need the color to be perfect. For a portable device I would very much prefer the higher contrast, true blacks, and longer active battery life of an amoled. Yes, the amoled display will fade over time, but this is a phone! I will keep it at most 3 years, which is long before the display is going to go through any significant color shift or fade. The amoled on the 1020 is still stunning to behold and is more than good enough for me. Amoled on the 920 would have allowed a lighter and smaller device that would have gotten much better reviews and better battery life on active use.

I imagine that with the 6" display of the 1520 the difference between IPS and amoled would be even more pronounced where the device could have significantly longer battery life, or a significantly lighter weight if they went with an amoled solution.


RE: Or...
By testbug00 on 10/24/2013 11:22:38 AM , Rating: 2
on cores, yes, that is a better, more in depth explanation. WP8 supported up to 64 cores. WP8 also supported zero ARM CPUs that had over 2 cores.

A 920 to 928 is much closer. The 928 to 1020 is also much closer.

*yawns*
as for AMOLED? No issues with it. My issue is with Pentile, which makes the 1020 screen fugly compared to the 920 IPS screen.

I do a lot of reading on my phone, and, well, pentile, which only arrived because AMOLED did, is far worst than IPS.


Don't disagree
By bah12 on 10/23/2013 4:45:16 PM , Rating: 2
As nice as it was at the time, my LG Optimus G is a bit of a hottie. Even with the screen <30% it quickly becomes very hot and when it does battery life seems to plummet.

I feel an upgrade coming on :)




RE: Don't disagree
By Spuke on 10/23/2013 6:24:51 PM , Rating: 2
Hoping to get a G2 this weekend.


RE: Don't disagree
By retrospooty on 10/23/2013 6:39:24 PM , Rating: 2
Do it man... It doesnt have any heat issues. Cool and fast as hell. Best phone on the market right now in the 4.7- 5.5 inch range.


RE: Don't disagree
By kmmatney on 10/23/2013 9:21:59 PM , Rating: 2
I thought I was going to buy a G2 yesterday, but I ended up with Optimus G Pro - bigger screen and expandable storage, and was only $99 (and same cpu as the S4, just clocked barely slower). The G2 is an awesome phone for sure. My old iPhone 4S will sell for close to $300, so I'm making $200 profit to upgrade the phone.


RE: Don't disagree
By Lord 666 on 10/23/2013 11:06:36 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Best phone on the market right now in the 4.7- 5.5 inch range.


Will respectfully say that spot is taken by the Droid Maxx. Best phone I have ever owned actually.


RE: Don't disagree
By retrospooty on 10/24/2013 8:17:24 AM , Rating: 2
I dunno about that. The Maxx has a lesser CPU (Dual core 1.7ghz sd300 vs quad core 2.26ghz sd400), lesser GPU (adreno 320 vs 330)and far lesser screen (720p Amoled vs 1080p IPS).

If you dont use anything that taxes the CPU/GPU and you have near term eye issues and cannot see the difference of 1080p over 720p at 5 inches the Maxx is a good phone, but you still cant call it better than the G2.


RE: Don't disagree
By Lord 666 on 10/24/2013 5:21:22 PM , Rating: 2
For my use, battery life trumps all other features other than data performance.

Use it daily as a mifi for about 3 hours a day, 5 days a week in addition to just a smartphone. Sure, I can get an external battery pack for any phone, but not going to carry extra gear. All that "extra" performance of the G2 just runs down the battery.

PS - I also drive a tdi. Think turtle vs the hare.


RE: Don't disagree
By nafhan on 10/24/2013 2:28:24 AM , Rating: 2
If you're looking at getting a G2 right now (and you're not on Verizon), I'd say wait a week or so for Nexus 5.


1080p android phone
By Deployed Nate on 10/24/2013 12:28:40 AM , Rating: 1
Did I just read that the first 1080p android phone was available FEB. this year? A major point of the article is Nokia being behind in features and trying to cut down that lag time. However, the one Droid they're not looking for begs to differ. The HTC DNA was available LAST YEAR and that has a 1080p screen. So, I believe that needs to be mentioned here and no matter how Nokia's execs want to see the situation, bottom line is they are inexcusably behind a year in some features.




RE: 1080p android phone
By Flunk on 10/24/2013 9:18:56 AM , Rating: 2
I'm surpised, but you're right. November 2012.

http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_droid_dna-5113.php


RE: 1080p android phone
By kamiller422 on 10/24/2013 11:51:43 AM , Rating: 2
I was about to say the same. And the Droid DNA is based on the HTC Butterfly, released last year. But, these facts make a major WP maker look bad. Jason is partial to WP, so 2 and 2.


Storage
By rburnham on 10/24/2013 11:34:22 AM , Rating: 2
HD screens and quad-core CPUs are nice, but they're mostly bullet points. A practical, useful feature I would love to see is more storage space. Give me something like the Lumia 920 that has 64 gigs of storage and I'd buy it.




Bizarre headlines.
By Gunbuster on 10/24/2013 2:55:13 PM , Rating: 2
"Overachieving 6” Lumia 1520" and "That's Not a Hot Waste of Space is Hard"

It's like you're intentionally trying to construct the most bizarre windows phone article headlines possible.




I have a tip for you Nokia.
By retrospooty on 10/23/13, Rating: 0
Is Nokia
By Reclaimer77 on 10/23/13, Rating: -1
RE: Is Nokia
By kleinma on 10/23/2013 5:34:46 PM , Rating: 5
quote:
most of it was just some guy sprouting ignorant opinions


Sounds kinda like you ;)


RE: Is Nokia
By FaaR on 10/23/2013 5:40:07 PM , Rating: 2
Senior execs are pretty much always spouters of (typically lame) PR fluff. What's new here, really? Nothing. I think everyone is aware of that, and is able to correctly judge the article on its own merits (being primarily PR drivel, therefore not much) without any tinhattery conspiracy accusations about bribes, etc...


RE: Is Nokia
By Flunk on 10/24/2013 9:21:37 AM , Rating: 1
Who's selling 8-core SoCs?

Right, no one...


RE: Is Nokia
By retrospooty on 10/24/2013 10:11:37 AM , Rating: 2
Samsung and Mediatek both are, in many devices.


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