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France wants answers

France is concerned about the U.S. National Security Agency's (NSA) spy programs and its intentions when it comes to the involvement of French citizens, and now, the country is demanding answers.

France summoned the U.S. ambassador on Monday after French newspaper Le Monde detailed the NSA's actions in spying on French citizens. It turns out the amount and depth of the NSA's spying on France is more than the country was aware of, and it plans to get detailed justification. 

"We have extremely useful cooperation with the United States in the struggle against terrorism, but this cooperation does not justify everything," said French Foreign Minister Laurent Fabius. "So we've asked the United States to provide clarifications, explanations and justifications extremely quickly."

According to the U.S. embassy in Paris, Ambassador Charles Rivkin promised Fabius's chief of staff that he would tell Washington about France's NSA worries. 

Le Monde said the NSA recorded 70.3 million bits of French telephone data between December 10, 2012 and January 8, 2013. The NSA also collected tens of thousands of French phone records.

While the NSA says it targets those suspected of terrorism activity or involvement, those part of French business or politics were also spied on through the NSA's surveillance programs. 

Back in July, Paris prosecutors opened a preliminary inquiry into the NSA's Prism program after The Guardian in Britain and Der Spiegel in Germany uncovered a more widespread spying effort by the NSA. 

The NSA has been under the microscope ever since former NSA contractor Edward Snowden uncovered the spying methods used by U.S. intelligence agencies earlier this year, which included collecting data from phones. This was used to fight terrorist attacks, but the public feared for their privacy after such revelations.

In August, reports said that the NSA admitted to touching 1.6 percent of total globe Web traffic. Its technique was to filter data after harvesting it, which led to over-collection on a major scale. 

Days later, an internal audit showed that the NSA broke the law nearly 3,000 times from 2011 to 2012. More specifically, the May 2012 audit revealed that the NSA had abused its power to either accidentally or intentionally spy on Americans and green card holders 2,997 times in that time period. 

Just last week, The Washington Post revealed that the NSA seized the email and IM contacts lists of 700,000+ accounts daily in 2012.

Source: Le Monde

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RE: just wondering...
By michael67 on 10/22/2013 1:16:11 AM , Rating: 2
Actually countries would not have a problem whit the US spying on it citizens if it was only to prevent terrorism, but the problem is that the US is not trusted to do only that, but also use non terror related data that should be trashed will be used for personal (US) economic gain.

And who would blame them they see people like president candidate Mitt Romney. o_0

People in other parts in the world see Washington as just one corrupt cesspool of lobbyists.

The event has also become a rallying point for numerous domestic terrorist groups.

Whit the whit imho properly justified paranoia about US government corporate interaction, is it strange other countries are getting upset about the scale of the spying the NSA is doing, as to most 70m intercepted calls is beyond justifiable reason.

A lot of people condemn what Snowden has done, as many see it, that he betrayed his country, and his oath to protect it.

But what if one oath conflicts whit a other, you swear to keep the secrets you have access to have bin obtained illegally, and is conflicting with a other oath you have taken, to uphold the law (the constitution).

And i am not talking about accidental or incidental breaches because of real life or dead tread's.

But systematic disregard of the law by the people that are sworn to protect and uphold it, and start spying on everyone, whit two things to justify it:
1. We protecting you from terrorism!
2. If you done noting wrong you you have noting to hide/fear ... right? (the Stasi said the same thing)

I for one would also have problems if my government was doing the same, and would possibly reveal that type of information.

Before 9/11 there ware actually to many safeguards in place to prevent the government on spying on it citizens, but there ware no people like Manning or Snowden, because the government followed the law/constitution.

now its the other way around, the government thinks that the law/constitution are less important then so called war on terror, and acts like the cause justifies all the actions, and finds it strange that there are still people around that have real principals, that think you can bend the law a bid if necessary, but not just disregard it totally, and Snowden leaks have shown that the US government was just pissing on its own constitution.

If America really wants to be safer, then it should ease up on the war on terror, and start talking to the other side, and make some apology's to wards country's ware the US have done wrong things in the past.

Operation Ajax is the sole reason why the Iranian students ware occupying the US embassy in Tehran, out of fear that the US would meddle again in its internal affairs, and put the shah back in power again.

Actions like these, and there are many more like them over the last 6 decades, made the world distrust, the west that only followed there self interest, over the heads of local people, and mainly the US and UK, most people in west don't know what there governments have done in there name, but the people how ware on the short end of the stick, they still remember, and they made sure there children and grand children also knew, not to trust the US.

Only following your self interest can gain you huge benefits in the short run, but in the long run, people start to distrust you, and be wary of you, and even wane get back at you, and we all know one of the results of that and what happened on 9/11.

RE: just wondering...
By StevoLincolnite on 10/22/2013 1:38:27 AM , Rating: 2
Actually countries would not have a problem whit the US spying on it citizens if it was only to prevent terrorism, but the problem is that the US is not trusted to do only that, but also use non terror related data that should be trashed will be used for personal (US) economic gain.

I don't trust my own government, let alone an overseas one that I didn't even vote for.

I actually have the right to my privacy, so the question begs, do I have any legal course of action to prevent the Americans from spying on me?

RE: just wondering...
By vol7ron on 10/31/2013 11:15:53 PM , Rating: 2
I'm glad you threw two continents into caring about you, but I assure you Americans (Mexicans, Canadians, United Statians, Brazilians, Argentinians, et al) don't really care about you. And don't be upset, they don't care about me either, especially United Statians - who have their own lives to worry about.

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