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Comments interfere with preaching a "scientific doctrine" (presumably a religion of sorts), according to PopSci

First they came for the BoingBoing comments, then they came for the Popular Science comments, then they came for... wait, that pretty much sums up the current state of affairs.  After BoingBoing opted to scrap its in-article comments for a forum in a few months back in June, PopSci just announced its decision to follow in suit with an article entitled "Why We're Shutting Off Our Comments".  This remarkable act of reader censorship is backed by a number of questionable assertions -- most notably the notion that reader comments undermine the preaching of a "scientific doctrine" and that "comments are bad for science."  

(The New York Times has also scaled back comments, disabling them entirely in some pieces.)

I. Censorship, the Tired Retreat of the Thin Skinned

These decisions may smack some as subjective or even malicious.  After all comments are arguably the digital age response to print's "letter to the editor" -- and they often contain criticisms of the article ranging from grammatical erorrs to factual oversights.  Some may view the decision to ban comments as a form of censorship, a means for writers to escape any sort of visible accountability among their audience.

And while moderation of extreme trolling is at times necessary, comments provide an essential outlet for user opinion.

PopSci views comments as "bad for science". [Image Source: MNN]

But PopSci argues that the evil of comments outweighs their merits.  It says that it has been ovewhelmed by "trolls and spambots" and its editor Suzanne LaBarre writes:

Comments can be bad for science. That's why, here at, we're shutting them off.

And since the blog is about science they at least attempt to back their conclusion with a scientific study -- a journal paper published by Dominique Brossard a Life Sciences Communication professor at the Univ. of Wisconsin-Madison.  Published in the February 2013 edition of the peer-reviewed Journal of Computer-Mediated Communications, Professor Brossard's study involved perceptions of a fictious nanotechnology article, which people were asked to react to.  

People reacted neutrally when comments were disabled, but even when comments were generally positive their reactions did not noticeably improved.  However, when the reader feedback took on a "less civil" tone with people questioning the merits of nanotechnology, user perception of the publication itself (not just the topic discussed) took a decidedly negative turn.

II. PopSci Complains That Comments Interfere With Its Ability to "Indoctrinate" Readers

PopSci piece also in a roundabout way suggests it had to revoke its users' commenting rights due to their criticisms of studies on global warming.  It writes:

A politically motivated, decades-long war on expertise has eroded the popular consensus on a wide variety of scientifically validated topics. Everything, from evolution to the origins of climate change, is mistakenly up for grabs again. Scientific certainty is just another thing for two people to "debate" on television.

And because comments sections tend to be a grotesque reflection of the media culture surrounding them, the cynical work of undermining bedrock scientific doctrine is now being done beneath our own stories, within a website devoted to championing science.

She cites an editorial in The New York Times voicing similar complaints.

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PopSci is preaching a "scientific doctrine" according to its top editor.
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But it is Ms. LaBarre's use of the phrase "scientific doctrine" which should is most interesting, and perhaps telling.  The root word of indoctrination -- brainwashing with a rigid set set of beliefs -- is "doctrine".  Indeed the Wikipedia entry for "doctrine" states:
Doctrine (from Latin: doctrina) is a codification of beliefs or a body of teachings or instructions, taught principles or positions, as the body of teachings in a branch of knowledge or belief system. The Greek analogue is the etymology of catechism.[1]
Often doctrine specifically connotes a corpus of religious dogma as it is promulgated by a church, but not necessarily: doctrine is also used to refer to a principle of law...

And Google Inc.'s (GOOG) built in dictionary describes doctrine as:

a belief or set of beliefs held and taught by a church, political party, or other group.

Science has little to do with beliefs.  Science is the process of observation, of collecting hard, repeatable evidence.  Belief is unnecessary to a scientist who does their job right, as they are simply studying reality.

The phrase seems decidedly odd as coming from a science publication: after all isn't open, informed debate the root of all science?  Since when has indoctrination -- peddling of a set of rigid, unquestioning beliefs, most often associated with religion -- become part of the scientific process?

Perhaps lack of critical feedback, user bickering, and spam may indeed improve the perception of PopSci.  But it's hard to imagine Socrates or Plato, were they alive today, shutting the door to public commentary.  After all, as journalists we all have to remember we aren't actually doing science -- at least not at our news jobs -- we're simply trying to represent it in a clear and concise form that the public can understand and enjoy.

Socrates chose death before submitting to censorship and surrendering his right to free thought and free expression.

While PopSci writes "we have many delightful, thought-provoking commenters," it's hard to escape the impression that its editors think themselves greater science minds than their readership.  Perhaps that's why they're so eager to "indoctrinate" readers (quite literally what Ms. LaBarre says is the site's goals) with their superior wisdom (i.e. interpretations) of science.

But here at DailyTech we take a different view.  We reject censorship and believe in free expression.

We welcome all opinions from the novice to the professional.  We welcome respectful criticism of our authors, our articles, and the material therein, in a public place for all to see.  We don't believe doctrines and indoctrination have a place in open scientific discussion.

At the same time we acknowledge that comments -- criticism, trolling, and more -- are a painful burden at times.  But it is a burden we choose to bear because we must.  Perhaps it will hurt our readers' impressions of our site.  But journalism and science are founded upon open discourse and a receptiveness to feedback.  Once you lose that, you risk rapid loss of your accountability and credibility.

Sources: PopSci, BoingBoing, Journal of Computer-Mediated Communications, The New York Times

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RE: How low they've falled
By JasonMick on 9/25/2013 11:54:20 AM , Rating: 3
While I may not agree with the decisions of these websites to turn off their comments sections, the fact of the matter is that they do often become breeding grounds for the ignorant reality-deniers. Like right here, on DT. Just look at them all...including Jason Mick.
So you've put up a strawman -- unnamed hypothetical readers -- who you then knock down.

Logical fallacy.

And you then attack my credibility, while providing no details to support your claims.

Logical fallacy.
Our society is consumed by vast numbers of ignorant, and willfully ignorant people, who haven't got the slightest problem ignoring reality when it doesn't line up with their baseless beliefs - which includes all religions, anti-vaccination nuts, moon hoax conspiracy theorists, flat earthers, and of course climate change deniers.
And yet until Dr. Wakefield's studies linking autism to vaccines were invalidated, the "anti-vaccination nuts" had a scientific backing for their claims and YOU and I were skeptics !


Research misconduct is rampant in today's high pressure, high risk, high reward academic atmosphere.

Any scientist will tell you a level of skepticism and open mindedness is extremely valuable and warranted.

Fundamental physical chemistry -- that carbon emissions create manmade warming -- or that evolution -- particular of simple organisms -- frequently and observably occurs is provable beyond a doubt. I have never debated such facts, and I think few of my readers would either.

Most skepticism/debate among informed readers centers on whether it's wise to resort to extreme measures -- banning or rationing meat, spending hundreds of billions if not trillions in funding, or limiting travel -- to fight a "doomsday" scenario of runaway warming , which has not been definitively proven. And remains highly controversial/speculative, even in the scientific community.

I respect your opinions, Moto, but your post has little substance.

RE: How low they've falled
By DominionSeraph on 9/26/2013 9:52:39 AM , Rating: 2
RE: How low they've falled
By Paj on 9/26/2013 3:55:13 PM , Rating: 2
The world is warming - on this, the figures are crystal clear. The weather is changing. Droughts are increasing, and food prices are rising and water tables are falling. So you advocate a 'business as usual' approach?

RE: How low they've falled
By Schrag4 on 9/26/2013 5:52:29 PM , Rating: 2
None of what you say matters unless you buy into the notion that the earth is only warming because of something we as humans are doing AND that we can somehow stop it. What if we stop burning fossil fuels altogether and the earth keeps warming, droughts continue, and water tables keep falling? Was it worth it?

And surely you recognize that the earth was warming and cooling for billions of years before we came along, so don't try and tell me that if we stop burning fossil fuels then temps will flatline.

RE: How low they've falled
By Bruzote on 9/30/2013 11:29:22 AM , Rating: 2
The threats with climate change are simply are much greater than almost any other threat imaginable. That's why the issue is huge. Famines kill. They bring down civilizations. Lack of proper access to water can bring about war. Climate change can make famine and water shortages happen. So, comparing climate change to a wider range of other issues involving uncertainty is simply boneheaded. We should look to analogies involving similar costs and similar potential levels of suffering.

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