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Comments interfere with preaching a "scientific doctrine" (presumably a religion of sorts), according to PopSci
First they came for
, then they came for
, then they came for... wait, that pretty much sums up the current state of affairs. After
opted to scrap its in-article comments for a forum in a few months back in June,
just announced its decision to follow in suit with an article entitled "Why We're Shutting Off Our Comments". This remarkable act of reader censorship is backed by a number of questionable assertions -- most notably the notion that reader comments undermine the preaching of a "scientific doctrine" and that "comments are bad for science."
The New York Times
scaled back comments
, disabling them entirely in some pieces.)
I. Censorship, the Tired Retreat of the Thin Skinned
These decisions may smack some as subjective or even malicious. After all comments are arguably the digital age response to print's "letter to the editor" -- and they often contain criticisms of the article ranging from grammatical erorrs to factual oversights. Some may view the decision to ban comments as a form of censorship, a means for writers to escape any sort of visible accountability among their audience.
And while moderation of extreme trolling is at times necessary, comments provide an essential outlet for user opinion.
views comments as "bad for science". [Image Source: MNN]
argues that the evil of comments outweighs their merits. It says that it has been ovewhelmed by "
trolls and spambots
" and its editor Suzanne LaBarre writes:
Comments can be bad for science. That's why, here at PopularScience.com, we're shutting them off.
And since the blog is about science they at least attempt to back their conclusion with a scientific study -- a journal paper published by
Life Sciences Communication
professor at the
Univ. of Wisconsin-Madison
Published in the February 2013 edition
of the peer-reviewed
Journal of Computer-Mediated Communications
, Professor Brossard's study involved perceptions of a fictious
, which people were asked to react to.
People reacted neutrally when comments were disabled, but even when comments were generally positive their reactions did not noticeably improved. However, when the reader feedback took on a "less civil" tone with people questioning the merits of nanotechnology, user perception of the publication itself (not just the topic discussed) took a decidedly negative turn.
Complains That Comments Interfere With Its Ability to "Indoctrinate" Readers
piece also in a roundabout way suggests it had to revoke its users' commenting rights due to their criticisms of studies on global warming. It writes:
A politically motivated, decades-long war on expertise has eroded the popular consensus on a wide variety of scientifically validated topics. Everything, from evolution to the origins of climate change, is mistakenly up for grabs again. Scientific certainty is just another thing for two people to "debate" on television.
And because comments sections tend to be a grotesque reflection of the media culture surrounding them, the cynical work of
undermining bedrock scientific doctrine
is now being done beneath our own stories, within a website devoted to championing science.
The New York Times
voicing similar complaints.
is preaching a "scientific doctrine" according to its top editor.
[Image Source: South Park Studios]
But it is Ms. LaBarre's use of the phrase "scientific doctrine" which should is most interesting, and perhaps telling. The root word of indoctrination -- brainwashing with a rigid set set of beliefs -- is "doctrine". Indeed the
entry for "doctrine" states:
Doctrine (from Latin: doctrina) is a codification of beliefs or a body of teachings or instructions, taught principles or positions, as the body of teachings in a branch of knowledge or belief system. The Greek analogue is the etymology of catechism.
Often doctrine specifically connotes a corpus of religious dogma as it is promulgated by a church, but not necessarily: doctrine is also used to refer to a principle of law...
And Google Inc.'s (
) built in dictionary describes doctrine as:
a belief or set of beliefs held and taught by a church, political party, or other group.
Science has little to do with beliefs. Science is the process of observation, of collecting hard, repeatable evidence. Belief is unnecessary to a scientist who does their job right, as they are simply studying reality.
The phrase seems decidedly odd as coming from a science publication: after all isn't open, informed debate the root of all science? Since when has indoctrination --
peddling of a set of rigid, unquestioning beliefs
, most often
associated with religion
-- become part of the scientific process?
Perhaps lack of critical feedback, user bickering, and spam may indeed improve the perception of
. But it's hard to imagine Socrates or Plato, were they alive today, shutting the door to public commentary. After all, as journalists we all have to remember we aren't actually
science -- at least not at our news jobs -- we're simply trying to represent it in a clear and concise form that the public can understand and enjoy.
Socrates chose death before submitting to censorship and surrendering his right to free thought and free expression.
writes "we have many delightful, thought-provoking commenters," it's hard to escape the impression that its editors think themselves greater science minds than their readership. Perhaps that's why they're so eager to "indoctrinate" readers (quite literally what Ms. LaBarre says is the site's goals) with their superior wisdom (i.e. interpretations) of science.
But here at
we take a different view. We reject censorship and believe in free expression.
We welcome all opinions from the novice to the professional. We welcome respectful criticism of our authors, our articles, and the material therein, in a public place for all to see. We don't believe doctrines and indoctrination have a place in open scientific discussion.
At the same time we acknowledge that comments -- criticism, trolling, and more -- are a painful burden at times. But it is a burden we choose to bear because we must. Perhaps it will hurt our readers' impressions of our site. But journalism and science are founded upon open discourse and a receptiveness to feedback. Once you lose that, you risk rapid loss of your accountability and credibility.
Journal of Computer-Mediated Communications
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95% of comments are smarter than the article itself.
9/25/2013 9:52:03 AM
What really bothers sites like PopSci is that the comments usually disprove or discredit the article. They want their message to be the only message.
RE: 95% of comments are smarter than the article itself.
9/27/2013 10:59:34 AM
Unfortunate, but partially true.
I expect the comments to be there for far more than simply criticizing the article and its author. Readers can gain a lot more understanding of the article if they are allowed to discuss it between themselves and with it author. Authors get a good indication whether or not their article was properly understood and if necessary clarify their assertions.
It also gives popsci as a whole a good indication into what kinds of articles get the most attention (lots of lively discussion) and which ones really were not worth the cost of publishing (the ones with little/no comments).
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