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German Chancellor gets a taste of how it feels to be spied on

Germany's local Pirate Party gave a German Chancellor Angela Merkel a scare and then a chuckle on Tuesday during Chancellor Merkel's Christian Democratic Union (CDU) party campaign rally in the city of Dresden.  (Germany votes in a national election on Sept. 22.)

To protest the EU's use of surveillance drones -- including a recently shuttered local program that cost German taxpayers 500M € ($667.8M USD) -- a Pirate operator flew a small unmanned drone over the crowd up to the podium where the Chancellor was speaking.  

The drone appeared to take photos and video of the chancellor, who cracked a smile at the unusual sight.  Her defense minister to her left (in the right of the image) looked not so amused.  The super serious defense minister's face was locked in a severe frown at the sight.

Eventually police sighted the operator, and took him into custody, leading the drone to crash harmlessly.  The 23-year-old pilot was briefly detained, but was released.  No charges have been filed yet.

Chancellor MerkelChancellor Merkel is surprised by a Pirate Party drone guest. [Image Source: TorrentFreak]

Markus Barenhoff, vice chairman of the German Pirate Party, comments, "The objective of the mission was to convey to the Chancellor and Minister of Defence Thomas de Maizière what it’s like to be suddenly observed from a drone."

The reformist German Pirate party has little in the way of campaign cash, but its guerilla campaign tactics managed to score 2.0 percent of the vote in recent national elections -- the most of any chapter of the Pirate Party.  Many Pirate Party politicians have been elected to local offices in Germany, although Germany has put forth no Pirate Party reps (yet) as the Swedish chapter has.

Europeans are currently riled by the U.S. National Security Agency (NSA) spying scandal.  German's in particular, were disturbed to learn that the NSA was targeting them at a higher rate akin to the rate at which it typically targets hostile/volatile regions.  The motivation behind the NSA's keen interest in Germany remains unclear.

Source: TorrentFreak



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RE: Behavior soon to be exported....
By YearOfTheDingo on 9/17/2013 11:21:26 PM , Rating: -1
Ummmm, terrorist threats aren't political statements. Whoever stupid enough to try to pull a stun like that well deserves to be in jail. He'd probably be looking at a 20 year sentence.


RE: Behavior soon to be exported....
By MechanicalTechie on 9/17/2013 11:50:46 PM , Rating: 5
quote:
Whoever stupid enough to try to pull a stun like that well deserves to be in jail


I can’t tell if you are being serious or totally taking the piss.
If you are being serious then my god! Why shouldn't the people demonstrate to their elective representatives in a peaceful way? I suppose you agree with – do what I say not what I do mentality


RE: Behavior soon to be exported....
By YearOfTheDingo on 9/18/13, Rating: -1
RE: Behavior soon to be exported....
By FaaR on 9/18/2013 10:24:54 AM , Rating: 3
How is what you describe related in any way to anything described in this article?

...That's right, it isn't.


RE: Behavior soon to be exported....
By maugrimtr on 9/18/2013 11:57:09 AM , Rating: 3
It's unlikely such a stunt would be pulled in the US for all the reasons above - you'd be afraid of being persecuted and sent to jail on trumped up terrorism charges AND there will be the ignorant morons who think that's "justice".

Violence is never an acceptable form of protest - but flying a harmless plastic "drone" available in any hobbyist store (unless it has a grenade attached, GTA San Andreas style) is not violence or terrorism except to stupid people.


By superstition on 9/18/2013 1:49:46 PM , Rating: 3
Standing up to elites, in any way and especially in public, is considered terrorism by many elites.


RE: Behavior soon to be exported....
By YearOfTheDingo on 9/18/2013 1:03:45 PM , Rating: 1
For years, al-Qaeda has been researching the potential use of remote-controlled plane as delivery vehicles of chemical weapon. The following article details just one of the recently uncovered plots:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-227422...

Anyone who believes that a mock terrorist attack is a valid form of protest deserves either a long stint in jail or a Darwin Award.


By Director12 on 9/18/2013 5:35:04 PM , Rating: 2
Ahhhh, main stream media, "We report, you believe."


RE: Behavior soon to be exported....
By Stuka on 9/22/2013 11:42:33 AM , Rating: 2
If everything that terrorists used or did was outlawed, you wouldn't be able to do or have anything. They use computers, cell phones, cars, trucks, planes, buses, cleaning products, tools... they eat in restaurants, they meet in parks, they walk on the streets, they wear clothes which conceal weapons... are you willing to give all of these things up to maybe stifle the remote 1 in 1,000,000,000,000 chance that they could be used maliciously?


By MechanicalTechie on 9/18/2013 7:46:45 PM , Rating: 1
Your clearly a braindead dickhead.


RE: Behavior soon to be exported....
By conq on 9/19/2013 8:25:09 AM , Rating: 1
quote:
Right. Why don't you go protest an Obama event with a couple of pressure cookers inside a duffel bag and see what happen?


Do you care to explain how exactly flying a drone at an event as a peaceful protest is anything like planting bombs? I think this must actually General Keith B. Alexander posting under his alter ego, "YearOfTheDingo". If not, it scares me to think there really are normal citizens out there that think this way.


RE: Behavior soon to be exported....
By terrorklampfer on 9/18/2013 12:45:12 AM , Rating: 4
quote:
Whoever stupid enough to try to pull a stun like that well deserves to be in jail

American logic much?
In Germany we think different. No harm done - no hard consequences.


RE: Behavior soon to be exported....
By retrospooty on 9/18/13, Rating: 0
RE: Behavior soon to be exported....
By Flunk on 9/18/2013 9:04:34 AM , Rating: 4
It means they apply reasonable logic to events instead of fear and irrationality?


RE: Behavior soon to be exported....
By retrospooty on 9/18/13, Rating: 0
RE: Behavior soon to be exported....
By FaaR on 9/18/2013 10:28:20 AM , Rating: 4
By that crazy logic then anyone anywhere could be a suicide bomber, so you should therefore be arrested and jailed just for going out the door to your home.

This irrational kind of fearmongering is just proof that the terrorists have already won the war of terror in the US.


RE: Behavior soon to be exported....
By retrospooty on 9/18/13, Rating: -1
RE: Behavior soon to be exported....
By kingmotley on 9/18/2013 10:50:32 AM , Rating: 2
Wow. As an American I am ashamed at the ignorance of some of our citizens. I apologize on behalf of those that have an IQ above room temperature.


RE: Behavior soon to be exported....
By piteq on 9/24/2013 1:37:40 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
I apologize on behalf of those that have an IQ above room temperature.

Measured in F or C? ;o)


RE: Behavior soon to be exported....
By robinthakur on 9/18/2013 10:51:51 AM , Rating: 1
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There is a difference between some small insignificant country like Germany (no offense meant) and the USA. We are a target.


Seriously? Germany is small and insignificant? Germany is the 4th largest economy in the world, you dolt. America is a target for many reasons, most of them of their own making. A lack of a sense of humour or sense of proportion is however inexcusable, and I'm pleased that at least Angela Merkel saw the humour in it. What is the world coming to when the Germans are the humourous ones and the American's are the ones intercepting everyone's messages and finding trumped up reasons to bomb countries into regime change. Role reversal much?


By retrospooty on 9/18/2013 11:22:43 AM , Rating: 1
". America is a target for many reasons, most of them of their own making"

Totally agreed there. Our govt has made many enemies with their devious actions... I am not excusing it, it sickens me to no end...

My point was only that it wouldn't and shouldn't be allowed here in the USA. You cant fly a remote control helicopter near the president and shouldn't be allowed to. The difference between Merkel and the leader of the free world is a huge one. If you were allowed to fly a remote near the leader of the free world, the leader of the free world would be assassinated on regular basis, it would be absolute chaos, so yes, the difference between the USA and Germany in that regard makes Germany insignificant. Try to put it in perspective.


RE: Behavior soon to be exported....
By conq on 9/19/2013 8:47:12 AM , Rating: 1
quote:
some small insignificant country like Germany (no offense meant) and the USA.


How is that NOT offensive, regardless of how you meant it?!? Please tell me you're not an American, I'm severely embarrassed. Apparently our sense of exceptionalism doesn't apply to education. Yes who cares about Germany, they're only the #3 exporter of goods in the world, #7 in military strength, #14 in world population. Who cares about this tiny, insignificant spec on planet Earth (sarcasm).

I think what you meant to say was, "Germany doesn't have to worry as much because their world wide terrorist hate level is small and insignificant compared to the USA". Then we might all agree...


RE: Behavior soon to be exported....
By robinthakur on 9/18/2013 11:01:14 AM , Rating: 2
It's hard to know why Americans are so terrified of their own shadows these days, its probably a combinations of rolling news detailing brand new threats, everyone being on uppers or downers and the fact that you can buy firearms in places like Walmart.

In this event, the guy flew a toy helicopter containing a camera near the German Chancellor to draw attention to America Spying on everybody, an issue which has caused a massive storm in Germany given the country's strict privacy laws. Nobody was injured, nobody died, some people were amused including Angel Merkel herself, why should they face terrorism charges!? That's actually a normal response when you aren't bat sh!t insane.


RE: Behavior soon to be exported....
By retrospooty on 9/18/2013 11:28:10 AM , Rating: 2
"It's hard to know why Americans are so terrified of their own shadows these days"

More than 1/2 the country is complete and utter morons. Not talking reps v dems. There are morons on both sides.

But all that aside, I agree, this prank in Germany is a prank, and shouldn't be too harshly punished, but you cant possibly think it should be allowed in the USA. You just cant have random people having access to the leader of the free world. The US pres would be assassinated constantly if that were the case. It would be absolute chaos.


RE: Behavior soon to be exported....
By nick2000 on 9/18/2013 1:39:33 PM , Rating: 2
Can we drop the "leader of the free world" joke? Start traveling and see for yourself


RE: Behavior soon to be exported....
By retrospooty on 9/18/2013 1:49:52 PM , Rating: 1
Regardless of what you might think, the US is still the richest most powerful nation in history (declining, yes, but still on top for now). Right now today, it also has the most powerful military that has ever existed. I am just saying the US president is more of a target than leaders of other countries and for that reason, something like this wouldn't and couldn't be allowed in the USA.


RE: Behavior soon to be exported....
By nick2000 on 9/18/2013 2:37:49 PM , Rating: 2
You will notice that it was not quite tolerated since the "pilot" got arrested. However he got released quickly when they determine that there was no actual risk as opposed to what would happen in our own zero-tolerance/punishment oriented society.

I think that it says more about the us than anything. We certainly like to bash people we do not like.


By retrospooty on 9/18/2013 3:20:40 PM , Rating: 1
"You will notice that it was not quite tolerated since the "pilot" got arrested. However he got released quickly when they determine that there was no actual risk"

OK, lets put that scenario in play here in the USA. A guy flys a drone right up to the US pres. at an event. The SS quickly finds and detains him and quickly realizes he is just a smart-ass with a drone that poses no threat at all so they let him off easy. What happens next? I will tell you what happens next. Over the next year, 30 guys fly drones right up to the US pres. at events. Eventually someone that is a real threat catches on and uses the same tactic with explosives. You simply cannot do it here. The US prez is too much of a target. The German chancellor is not.


RE: Behavior soon to be exported....
By cmart on 9/18/2013 11:36:06 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
In Germany we think different. No harm done - no hard consequences.


Attempted murder, then, is not a crime? Interesting.

Anyway, it would be pretty easy to weaponize a small drone. Secret service in the US would not have taken this so lightly. Silly us, I guess.


RE: Behavior soon to be exported....
By ShaolinSoccer on 9/18/2013 11:51:25 AM , Rating: 2
A guy in NY died recently when his "toy" helicopter ran into him. I'm sure the blades on drones can be weaponized pretty quick.


RE: Behavior soon to be exported....
By M'n'M on 9/18/2013 12:24:46 PM , Rating: 2
And when those blades are weaponized and run into someone, then people can say it was attempted murder. In this case no ramming attempt was made and we know the motives of the person involved. Bodily harm was not among them.


RE: Behavior soon to be exported....
By vXv on 9/18/2013 12:34:16 PM , Rating: 2
The difference is in that case there has been no intent to do harm to begin with.

So there has been no intent of harming anybody and nobody got harmed.


By YearOfTheDingo on 9/18/2013 2:46:04 PM , Rating: 1
A attempt to pull a prank like this in area protected by an elite counter-sniper team will end with somebody getting hurt.


RE: Behavior soon to be exported....
By KFZ on 9/23/2013 3:15:55 PM , Rating: 2
So about that Bulgarian assassination attempt where the gun jammed...

Nah, no harm done. Careful with your efficient logic, friend.


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