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GTA V Vine Leaks  (Source: Gizmodo)
If you're going to leak footage, be smart enough to remove move your gamer tag from the video

A gamer going by the name of was able to get his hands on an early copy of GTA V ahead of its launch. Exactly how he was able to get hands on the early copy is unknown. The braggart wasn't happy simply inviting a few friends over and playing the game before most people got their hands on it; he instead decided to make hordes of short Vine videos in order to gain internet notoriety.

The problem with this plan was that he apparently left his Gamertag clearly visible in at least one of the videos he made. As a result, Microsoft banned his Xbox console for life from Xbox Live.

What that means is while he will be able to play off-line games on his console; he'll have to buy a new one to be able to access Xbox Live. He will also lose any achievements and other content associated with that Gamertag.


Rockstar has a very cut and dry policy on this sort of thing. The policy reads, "Pre-Release Footage: No pre-release leaked footage of any kind: Any posting of in-game footage from leaked copies of the game prior to its official release date will be taken down, regardless of how the game was obtained. This includes “early unboxing” videos."

At the time of writing, we were unable to get any of the video clips on Vine to launch. We don't know if that means they were taken down or if there's just so much traffic that the videos are unavailable. Indications are that the short videos show off the inside of houses, in-game smartphone, shooting mechanics, and much more.
 
GTA 5 set to officially launch tomorrow.

Sources: The Sixth Axis, VG247, Gizmodo



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By bug77 on 9/16/2013 10:07:41 AM , Rating: 4
Welcome to the age of hardware rental.




RE: Great
By jimbo2779 on 9/16/2013 10:15:26 AM , Rating: 4
His hardware still works fine, his software also still works fine. The online service is what he is banned from here.


RE: Great
By Motoman on 9/16/2013 10:27:44 AM , Rating: 5
Or, you could look at it this way: MS deliberately broke the product he bought from them, causing it to lose a significant amount of the functionality the product is supposed to provide, because the kid did something that actually happens to be perfectly legal.

...still, after the XBOne debacle, people are still going to be giving MS more of their money - stepping into the "please abuse me at your first opportunity" line.

Get a grip people.


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By Veero on 9/16/13, Rating: -1
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By bug77 on 9/16/13, Rating: 0
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By ClownPuncher on 9/16/2013 11:53:08 AM , Rating: 5
You already do. You can't hit your wife with it.


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By ClownPuncher on 9/16/13, Rating: -1
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By Souka on 9/16/2013 12:06:00 PM , Rating: 2
Heh... so he'll sell the xBox to someone on Craigslist, then go get another.


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By ClownPuncher on 9/16/13, Rating: -1
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By ClownPuncher on 9/17/2013 12:06:24 PM , Rating: 1
Wow, we got a bunch of console turds with panties in wads.


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By MrBlastman on 9/16/2013 3:27:21 PM , Rating: 2
Well you can... but... It depends if she's into that sort of thing or not. Or the hammer is deep into her. Oh. Nevermind. I'll shut up now. :)


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By seamonkey79 on 9/16/2013 5:57:28 PM , Rating: 2
Whether I would or not doesn't matter... he DID agree to them.

If you don't agree to do something, then don't do it and complain later when the limits you agreed to happen to you, just because you don't 'agree' with them after the fact.


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By hughlle on 9/16/2013 11:45:36 AM , Rating: 5
While i don't know where he got it, chances are it was from amazon, given that they started sending games out early. As such it cannot be categorized as obtained illegitimately, or that it is pirated, and the ban would have to be reversed.


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By Cheesew1z69 on 9/16/2013 12:45:31 PM , Rating: 3
And if he did get it from Amazon, I would expect the ban to be reversed here soon.


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By Sazabi19 on 9/16/13, Rating: 0
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By Cheesew1z69 on 9/16/2013 2:06:14 PM , Rating: 2
And again, that would be on Amazon sending it OUT before the RELEASE date...that's not the customers fault.


RE: Great
By DJMiggy on 9/16/2013 2:21:35 PM , Rating: 2
He probably downloaded it.....


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By Cheesew1z69 on 9/16/2013 3:05:04 PM , Rating: 3
And if he did, that's on him.


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By xti on 9/16/2013 3:13:50 PM , Rating: 2
and he did it knowing exactly that it wasnt out yet and only h should be accountable.

and kicked in the nuts.


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By hughlle on 9/17/2013 8:53:02 AM , Rating: 2
If he bought it on amazon, and amazon delivered it to him, then it has clearly been released to him. If it was indeed an amazon copy, i don't know, then it is amazons issue, not his. His contract was money for a game, amazon took his money and gave him his game. deal done. Amazons contract with the developer and producers, that would have been no distribution until a certain date. Amazon breached it's contract with it's supplier, not the guy who got the game.

It all depends on how he got the game though. until then we can just speculate on whether he was in the wrong or not.


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By Cheesew1z69 on 9/17/2013 10:41:29 AM , Rating: 2
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If he bought it on amazon, and amazon delivered it to him, then it has clearly been released to him. If it was indeed an amazon copy, i don't know, then it is amazons issue, not his. His contract was money for a game, amazon took his money and gave him his game. deal done. Amazons contract with the developer and producers, that would have been no distribution until a certain date. Amazon breached it's contract with it's supplier, not the guy who got the game.
Exactly, some people here, like the one you replied too, are to boneheaded to understand this.


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By xti on 9/19/2013 4:38:01 PM , Rating: 2
some people like you, who stalks men, make excuses for people and let them get off from knowing right and wrong.

He shouldn't have uploaded the viewo. He knew EXACTLY what he was doing, he wanted to show off because he knew he had early access.

did amazon screw up? yes.
Did the screw up? also yes.


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By Sazabi19 on 9/16/13, Rating: -1
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By Morvannec on 9/18/2013 1:31:31 PM , Rating: 2
Don't know why you've been rated down when you're right. A lot of people here are fixating on the "he got it early" bit and consequently saying it's Amazon's fault (assuming he got it from them), which is not the issue.

The issue is he broke XBox Live ToS by posting game play footage of an as yet officially unreleased game, which is what Microsoft have punished him for.

Whether or not the punishment is too harsh is another debate.


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By Motoman on 9/16/13, Rating: 0
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By Fleeb on 9/16/13, Rating: -1
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By Dug on 9/16/2013 4:20:41 PM , Rating: 3
This wouldn't hold up anywhere in a court of law.

" l. Uploading, posting, streaming, accessing or otherwise transmitting any content that you know or should have known infringes or violates any third-party rights, any law or regulation or contractual or fiduciary obligations; "

It doesn't infringe or violate third-party rights. You have to research what rights a third-party has.
There is no such thing as a law or regulation or contractual obligation for showing software he purchased.

He is not under NDA, he did not acquire the software illegally. If the software has a disclaimer that you can not use it or show it before a certain day, then it needs to be clearly stated on the packaging or in the description when he bought it. I'm sure neither of these is true, as I don't even see it on their website.


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By SPOOFE on 9/16/2013 4:59:25 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
This wouldn't hold up anywhere in a court of law

Which would become a relevant observation if this ever sees the inside of a courtroom.


RE: Great
By Flunk on 9/16/2013 5:03:18 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
he did not acquire the software illegally


That hasn't actually been proved yet, Microsoft routinely bans people for using pirated pre-release software.


RE: Great
By xti on 9/16/13, Rating: 0
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By damianrobertjones on 9/17/2013 9:02:26 AM , Rating: 2
Read between the lines...

A PIRATED COPY of the game


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By bug77 on 9/16/2013 10:53:20 AM , Rating: 1
Yeah, because there's so much to do with an Xbox without an online account. You never know when you need a paperweight.


RE: Great
By Camikazi on 9/16/2013 11:56:43 AM , Rating: 4
I dunno, I had a lot of fun with my N64, Dreamcast, Sega Genesis, SNES and other consoles that didn't have multiplayer. Even now I play mostly single player 360 games without a Live account, if I want multiplayer I use my PC not my console.


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By PAPutzback on 9/16/2013 1:11:46 PM , Rating: 2
I have 4 xboxes, and only two go online. The other ones are used for TV.


RE: Great
By Flunk on 9/16/2013 5:04:09 PM , Rating: 4
I dropped my Xbox Live subscription 8 months ago and it hasn't really bothered me.


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By seamonkey79 on 9/16/2013 6:12:57 PM , Rating: 2
My Xbox makes a great video player for my TV. I think I have four or five games for it around here somewhere too, though I think only one of them connects to Live.


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By flatrock on 9/16/2013 1:28:37 PM , Rating: 3
What about any games he bought from the XBox Live store?

I would think he would lose all those, which could be a lot.

If this was an honest mistake because he got the game early due to Amazon's mistake, then he shouldn't be banned.

However, if he posted comments when he posted the video or made comments in the video admitting that he knew he shouldn't have the game yet or be posting videos before the release, then he knew what he was doing and should accept the consequences.


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By Samus on 9/17/2013 12:58:12 PM , Rating: 5
quote:
His hardware still works fine, his software also still works fine. The online service is what he is banned from here.


You are unfamiliar with Microsofts' banning process. Let me explain it to you since I am the not-so-proud owner of a banned XBOX360 due to flashing the DVD-ROM firmware to boot unsigned code (homebrew.)

When you sign into XBOX Live, your console key is encrypted and sent to Microsoft. This key contains your motherboard serialization, software versions, firmware (motherboard, DVD-ROM and hard disk) and volume information of attached memory cards, USB devices and hard disks. The encrypted package sent after during sign-in negotiation is about 4KB.

That package is swiftly analyzed. When Microsoft goes on a "ban-wave" they update their system to ban any console that has a console key package that has rogue information. DVD-ROM firmware not from Microsoft? Ban. Hard Disk firmware custom because you put in your own 120GB disk into a 20GB case and flashed the firmware? Ban. Account you signed in to violated the Live TOS? Ban.

A ban is identical across the board and there aren't different types of a ban. A console ban is the same thing as an XBOX Live ban, and vice-versa. If it weren't, there is nothing stopping you from making a new XBOX Live account. The only way to ban people for life is to ban the console.

A console ban is three-fold. Obviously, your account is disabled. Although you can still sign into it, all features are disabled. Nothing will work. Achievements are readable, but are no longer view able by others and are erased from rankings and leaderboard. Aside from the account that is now useless (and unbannable according to Microsoft) the console key is corrupted. The assures you can not make a new, or sign into another, Live account, because the console can not be verified. Since the console key is corrupted, no online activity or updates are possible. Lastly, and this one is borderline-illegal, your hard disk is corrupted. This is undo-able with software (but wipes the drive) but the purpose is to disable any Live content on the drive. It is done in a very unelegent way, however, and everything but game saves are usually unaccessible.

The ONLY way to fix a ban is to swap the XBOX motherboard with a non-blacklisted board and re-wipe the drive using a special PC program. If, like me, your DVD-ROM firmware is not signed, you better load your signed backup firmware before signing into Live again. You may not be banned right away, but you eventually will be, because as soon as you sign in once, they have that key package on file, and know your modified. The next time they initiate a ban-wave, you will be banned, even if you haven't signed in since and even if you are running signed firmware at the time of the ban.

They just don't care. The console has the most ridiculous terms of service I've ever seen. It sets a bad precedent for the future of Windows, as well. Windows activation is just the beginning. Eventually Windows might detect if your hardware has serializations that have been reported stolen by the manufacture, and may even detect 3rd party pirate software, key gens, etc.

And this is why I will never buy a Microsoft device ever again.


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By flyingpants1 on 9/20/2013 6:33:37 AM , Rating: 2
This post is highly inaccurate. I've been playing online with a modded Xbox for years.

quote:
I am the not-so-proud owner of a banned XBOX360 due to flashing the DVD-ROM firmware to boot unsigned code (homebrew.)


Oh. Well, it is NOT possible to boot homebrew or unsigned code with custom DVD-ROM firmware. The DVD-ROM drive hacks SOLELY allow you to play burned games. Homebrew is only possible with the JTAG/RGH hacks, which are totally different.

quote:
Hard Disk firmware custom because you put in your own 120GB disk into a 20GB case and flashed the firmware? Ban.


Microsoft does NOT ban for custom 120GB HDDs.

quote:
A ban is identical across the board and there aren't different types of a ban. A console ban is the same thing as an XBOX Live ban, and vice-versa.


This is misleading. A console ban is NOT the same thing as an account ban. You can have your console banned multiple times and continue playing on the same XBL account.

quote:
You may not be banned right away, but you eventually will be, because as soon as you sign in once, they have that key package on file, and know your modified.


Microsoft does NOT flag consoles instantly. The copy protection does not actually work in the way you described. If it did, there would be nothing to stop Microsoft from insta-banning anyone with a modded console. And they don't, because the custom DVD-ROM firmware is generally thought to be undetectable by Microsoft.

Instead there is a complex system in place for checking each game disc. It works by evaluating the angles at which the DVD-ROM laser hits the disc. The custom firmware works in tandem with the patched game discs to provide the correct responses every time. So long as your game is patched with the correct information, you are 99% safe. Generally the only way to get banned is by playing an unpatched version of a game (online or offline).

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The next time they initiate a ban-wave, you will be banned, even if you haven't signed in since and even if you are running signed firmware at the time of the ban.


This part is true. Except there has not been a "ban wave" since November, 2009. That's almost 4 years ago. Too many false positives and legal hassles.

This is so silly. Please don't spread misinformation.


RE: Great
By GulWestfale on 9/16/2013 10:17:05 AM , Rating: 6
the stupid thing here is that amazon actually shipped the game 1 day early, so how was this guy supposed to know that he wasn't supposed to post videos of gameplay? there are apparently hundreds, if not thousands, of customers who have received their amazon pre-ordered game already.

well, one more reason not to get an xbox, i guess.


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By FaaR on 9/16/2013 11:00:40 AM , Rating: 2
Hear, hear.


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By drumsticks on 9/16/13, Rating: -1
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By GulWestfale on 9/16/2013 12:45:47 PM , Rating: 3
what rule states that he will be banned from xbox live for uploading a video of a game he bought? as i said, amazon started shipping copies out 1 day early, how is that this guy's fault?
the most they could do is ban him from GTA V online, but all of live?? this is really dumb of MS.


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By ClownPuncher on 9/16/13, Rating: -1
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By Samus on 9/17/2013 1:02:33 PM , Rating: 2
Microsoft makes up their own rules. Even if they don't tell you...


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By someguy123 on 9/16/2013 10:14:53 PM , Rating: 2
I was actually watching his leaks go through and he had them well in advance. This was before it even ended up getting leaked for download (game was leaked for download last week), which I can only assume means he or someone he knows stole it from a supply chain's warehouse. Had nothing to do with amazon.


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By Morvannec on 9/18/2013 1:27:58 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
so how was this guy supposed to know that he wasn't supposed to post videos of gameplay?


Because that's what it says in the ToS that he agreed to when he signed up for XBox Live.


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By FITCamaro on 9/16/2013 12:32:48 PM , Rating: 2
How is he renting his hardware? You don't have rights to access an online service.

Oh right you're just supposed to be allowed to do whatever you want without consequences. My bad.


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By Flunk on 9/16/13, Rating: 0
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By bug77 on 9/16/2013 4:31:52 PM , Rating: 1
Back in the day, I could hack my Civilization save game and give myself 65,536 coins, just to see how it is to build every single wonder and surrender with my mechanized infantry a civilization that was still using phalanxes. And I could use my PC for a whole lot of other things.
Today I have to pay for closed hardware, pay for an online subscription in order to get the most out of most games and then undergo scrutiny to see if my actions are deemed acceptable by whoever.
That's all.


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By Flunk on 9/16/2013 5:07:15 PM , Rating: 3
Really, I'm pretty sure you can still do that now. There are a lot of options for hacking saves on current-gen PC games. There are even ways of hacking xbox saves (I had to fix a Mass Effect 3 save that was glitched and it really was not hard to modify).

The old consoles were no more open, hacking SNES saves requires specialized hardware. Xbox 360 saves just require a USB flash drive to hack.


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By someguy123 on 9/16/2013 10:21:02 PM , Rating: 2
You can still hack offline. Are you really saying it was okay for people to hack online without getting banned by things like punkbuster?

What the hell are you talking about?


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