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The expected price of the 918 Spyder is $845,000

Porsche has finally revealed the full specs of the 918 Spyder at the Volkswagen Group night ahead of the Frankfurt Motor Show. 

The 918 Spyder sports a 4.6-liter V8 engine for 608 horsepower. It also has two electric motors (a 154 HP electric motor turns the rear axle and a 127 HP electric motor spins the front wheels) added into the mix as well, for a total system of 887 HP and 590 lb-ft of torque.


Porsche's new vehicle can hit 62 MPH in 2.8 seconds, 124 MPH in 7.7 seconds and 186 MPH in 22 seconds. 

The 918 Spyder is a two-seater constructed of carbon fiber, and it weighs only 3,692 pounds.

As for its hybrid abilities, the 918 Spyder can travel on electric power at speeds up to 93 MPH and get about 10 to 20 miles per charge. Charging options include a German 230-volt outlet, which can do the job in about four hours. A DC fast charger will be optional and can recharge a battery in just 25 minutes. 


The hybrid features a liquid-cooled lithium-ion battery consisting of 312 individual cells with an energy content of approximately 7 kilowatt hours. 

The 918 Spyder has four driving modes, including the standard E-Power for an electric-only range of up to 18 miles at speeds up to 93 MPH; Hybrid mode, which gives the most efficient power delivery of up to 85 MPG; Race Hybrid, which increases gear ratios spinning the electric motors while throttling up the V8, and Hot Lap, which pushes the traction battery to its maximum power output limits for a few fast laps.

The expected price of the 918 Spyder is $845,000. 

Source: Autoblog



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RE: a step in the right direction
By topkill on 9/10/2013 3:12:15 PM , Rating: 2
Whine about it all you want. It works, just like the Volt. When people go 3-4 months without having to put gas in their car....that's less of our money going to Saudi Arabia or even Mexico or Canada.

We make more of our oil now, but it's still not even half. And I like American money staying in the American economy. Electricity may still come from 37% coal, and about 35% natural gas, but it's AMERICAN coal and NG.


RE: a step in the right direction
By Sunrise089 on 9/10/2013 3:29:00 PM , Rating: 2
I think we disagree about the degree of harm buying oil from say Canada causes, but that's really a very different point. Porsche is going to sell a few hundred 918s and each will be driven a few thousand miles per year. There's no impact on US oil buying demand, and even if ALL sports cars switched to part-time electric systems it wouldn't matter due to the small number of miles switched for gas to electric.

However I didn't mention the Volt in my golf cart analogy. The Volt isn't for me, but for people with a moderate and consistent commute a Volt that was say 30% cheaper than current prices makes a lot of sense. Add in tax advantages, the fun of new tech, and the satisfaction of being green and it can make sense for some people even at current prices.

But supplemental batteries, like in the 918, are not at all like the Volt. The Volt can accomplish it's primary mission (commuter car) on battery power, and uses gas as a supplement at the margin. The 918 inverts that relationship. In tangible performance terms it gains straight line acceleration while its batteries are charged, but at the cost of weight (handling), complexity & reliability, non-charged straight line performance, and of course a higher price.

In an $800,000 car from anything other than a marketing perspective Porsche would have been far better off offering a direct injection turbocharged version of the Carrera GT's V10.


RE: a step in the right direction
By Shig on 9/10/2013 3:44:16 PM , Rating: 2
I don't think you understand how good 590 lb-ft of torque is. If you all you care about is going fast in a perfectly straight line, you should look into the rocket cars that go across the deserts.


RE: a step in the right direction
By Sunrise089 on 9/10/2013 3:56:09 PM , Rating: 2
What good is 590 lb-ft of electrically-supplied torque EXCEPT for going fast in a straight line a few times?!

I know you didn't say so, but your tone suggests to me the 918's powertrain is somehow unique in torque generation. But the Aventador makes 510 lb-ft, and the Veyron more than 800.

So you can get torque other ways, but as I mentioned above the 918's system is costly in terms of weight. That's the MOST important factor for people who don't just 'care about going fast in perfectly straight lines.' The cool thing about torque from electric motors is it's on boil down so low. That should actually be pretty cool from like a 5mph roll. But on a racetrack revs are always going to be much higher so while torque matters there's nothing special about torque made from the 918.


RE: a step in the right direction
By Shig on 9/10/2013 4:26:38 PM , Rating: 3
It's about the torque curve. I thought this was common knowledge.

Electric drive trains can deliver all of their torque at all times, ICE cannot. In this system the electric drive always gives you that extra jolt until the big V8 comes in. You would immediately notice a difference between the Porsche and an ICE only car.


RE: a step in the right direction
By Spuke on 9/10/2013 5:02:43 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
Electric drive trains can deliver all of their torque at all times, ICE cannot.
No. Electric motors make max torque at 0 rpm and go down from there. And indeed it IS all about the area under the curve which won't be an issue with the 918 but a 1000 hp car will beat a 800 hp one all day, all else equal, no matter how much torque the 800 hp car makes. My only issue with the 918 is weight. 3700 lbs is a LOT for a car in this market. The car will still be silly fast but it will be slower than its competition. If that matters to a potential owner, they'll look elsewhere.


By Sunrise089 on 9/10/2013 5:12:13 PM , Rating: 2
Spuke above also addresses this, but no, you wouldn't most of the time. Between the 918 and a sport bike engine, sure. From a 5mph roll as I state above, sure. But under either a 0->X run where you're using launch control, or during spirited driving, or certainly on a track you won't. Shig, you may have a ton of track experience, but my reading of your posts make me think otherwise. Driven aggressively the 918 will never be at low enough revs to take advantage of it's very low end torque.

Basically there isn't a window where "the big V8 needs to come in" or there certainly wouldn't be in my hypothetical turbocharged Carrera GT engine. High end exotics have powerplants with enough displacement and specific output to be traction limited at low race speeds, and that's all they need.


RE: a step in the right direction
By chmilz on 9/10/2013 7:13:58 PM , Rating: 2
Considering this car just broke records at Nurburgring, I'd say that torque is being applied just fine. In fact, it's being applied better than fine. It's being applied better than any other production car before it. It broke the previous record by 14 seconds - that's an eternity considering over the last few years shaving a tenth of a second off the record was considered an accomplishment.


By Reclaimer77 on 9/10/2013 7:35:22 PM , Rating: 2
Nürburgring has killer straights where you can run flat-out. The 918 has more power than pretty much anything else on that list you're looking at, so of course it set that time.

Let's put it in perspective, the previous record holder is now giving up like 200 horsepower to the 918!

Most "production" cars don't have 900hp.


By Concillian on 9/11/2013 1:05:38 PM , Rating: 2
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What good is 590 lb-ft of electrically-supplied torque EXCEPT for going fast in a straight line a few times?!


If you're on a track, then you scrub off almost as much energy in braking for a corner as you push out accelerating out of that corner. A "small" electric reservoir makes sense in this regard if the generation can be done in a way that doesn't interfere with the feel of threshold braking... then the electric motors used as a bit of a turbo boost as you accelerate out of the corner.

Done properly, I have no doubt it has the potential of outperforming a comparable torque and HP ICE only car... while also reducing the stress on the braking system (which on an 800 HP 3600 pound car are going to be quite considerable stresses)


RE: a step in the right direction
By topkill on 9/10/2013 4:41:47 PM , Rating: 2
You chose to only note Canada from my list. You know I was really talking about the middle east and included Canada simply to acknowledge that we get a lot of oil from them as well.

But it still doesn't change my point that any oil we buy from the middle east is detrimental to us in lots of ways. And the few cars that Porsche or Ferrari, etc put out have no impact on that. But the sex appeal they provide that makes people start to buy electrified cars further down the food chain does. THAT is what I'm looking for.


By Reclaimer77 on 9/10/2013 6:03:51 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
that's less of our money going to Saudi Arabia or even Mexico or Canada.


You're an idiot. Are gas stations and all the domestic companies that are involved in the supply chain of gasoline all employed by people from the Middle East too?

America is a net-exporter of oil. Hell oil on the global market is IN US dollars. We profit more from oil than you have a clue. Your idiotic flag-waving "importing stuff harms us" is ridiculous. Oil is not evil and the sellers of it are not evil. They aren't terrorists!

Why even bring that up anyway? Yeah extremely expensive supercars that maybe 200 people will own is TOTALLY our answer to oil dependence!

quote:
We make more of our oil now, but it's still not even half.


False.


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