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Oracle CEO Larry Ellison
Mr. Schmidt points out that the U.S. federal courts have not supported Oracle's Android infringement claims

After a federal court jury ruled that Google Inc.'s (GOOG) Android operating system had not infringed in any major way on Java, a furious Oracle Corp. (ORCL) quickly declined its right to pursue lesser damages on its handful of successful claims, instead pushing for an expedited appeal to the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals.  Even as that appeal approaches, Oracle has been taking the opportunity to snipe at its legal rival.  CEO and cofounder Larry Ellison in a provocative and wide-ranging interview with CBS Corp. (CBS) television host Charlie Rose blasted Google as "absolutely evil."

I. Eric Schmidt Fires Back

Mr. Ellison's harshly worded accusations of intellectual property theft against Google evoked those of late Apple, Inc. (AAPL) CEO and cofounder Steven P. Jobs, who in his final days remarked:

I will spend my last dying breath if I need to, and I will spend every penny of Apple's $40 billion in the bank, to right this wrong. I'm going to destroy Android, because it's a stolen product. I'm willing to go thermonuclear war on this.  I don't want your money. If you offer me $5 billion, I won't want it. I've got plenty of money. I want you to stop using our ideas in Android, that's all I want.

Google is usually silent on such attacks, but on Sunday afternoon former Google CEO and cofounder Eric Schmidt took to his company's Google+ social network to counter Mr. 
Ellison's rant.  He posted:

Eric Schmidt

II. Ellison Has a History of Rants in Losing Legal Battles

Mr. Schmidt shouldn't take Mr. Ellison's attacks too personally, though.  Mr. Ellison -- like Mr. Jobs -- has long looked to use verbal attacks for a variety of purposes from devaluing potential acquisitions to trying to sway public opinion in federal court cases.

Intel Corp. (INTC) and Hewlett-Packard Comp. (HPQ) have also born the wrath of Mr. Ellison in recent years. After dropping support for an HP server line equipped with Intel's Itanium enterprise processors in apparent violation of a contract the companies had, Mr. Ellison frequent voiced vehemence against HP.  At one point he commented, "[HP's servers are] slow, expensive and [with] little or no software."

He called HP's "Superdome" server clusters "turtledome".

Larry Ellison
Oracle has lost cases to both Google and HP related to its 2010 acquisition, Sun Microsystems.  These legal battles have provoked emotion rants from Oracle CEO Larry Ellison.
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But as with Google, his words may just have been sour grapes.  In the end HP triumphed over Oracle, proving in federal court that Oracle had breached its contract.  In the aftermath Oracle eventually gave up, agreeing in September 2012 to continue support for Itanium -- slow servers and all.

A final thing worth noting -- the HP and Google cases are somewhat tied to each other, as both involve Oracle's 2010 acquisition Sun Microsystems, who makes both a rival to Itanium servers (Solaris) and who makes a quasi-open platform (Java) which Google's Android is in part built upon.  In the wake of these losses Mr. Ellison may be more than a little bit frustrated that his $7.4B USD acquisition has failed to pay off amidst these high profile court losses.

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Ellison is Wrong.
By Mitch101 on 8/26/2013 11:43:39 AM , Rating: 4
From my understanding Google got a clean and clear license from Sun for Java and its all in writing. Oracle then bought Sun/Java and tried to revoke Googles licensing rights. Someone at Oracle must not have done their homework on the Google deal.

Google is in the right here 110%. Ellison Failed and just refuses to suck it up and move on. Im guessing they saw Google/Java as a cash cow but didnt do thier homework on the deal Google made with Sun prior to the purchase.




RE: Ellison is Wrong.
By techxx on 8/26/2013 11:53:40 AM , Rating: 2
I try to understand Ellison's perspective, but I can't help but see him as a white (and richer) Kanye West with serious ego problems.


RE: Ellison is Wrong.
By Flunk on 8/26/2013 12:16:30 PM , Rating: 2
I think that's a disservice to Mr West. Larry Ellison is clearly a bigger egotist. He may have charged on stage to steal the spotlight but he never engaged in a multi-million dollar lawsuit against a company about technology that had already been fairly licensed.

It would be like Kanye suing everyone who legally purchased a CD from him for copyright infringement. Even he knows he can't get away with that.


RE: Ellison is Wrong.
By chagrinnin on 8/26/2013 2:38:46 PM , Rating: 3
Your talking. I believe "Yeezy" told everyone to stop talking.

"Don't talk to me, I don't want to hear paparazzi talk to me or anybody I know ... tell everybody never talk to anyone that anyone knows... don't talk to themselves..."

"DON'T TALK EVER AGAIN."

~Yeesus


RE: Ellison is Wrong.
By Samus on 8/27/2013 4:08:07 AM , Rating: 2
I remember reading somewhere awhile back that court documents revealed among hundreds of thousands of line of code that only a dozen or so lines were similar to Oracles, as most of the similarities fell under the GNU or were just "how certain instructions are coded"


RE: Ellison is Wrong.
By Duwelon on 8/26/2013 12:23:51 PM , Rating: 2
It seemed to me that Oracle was trying to make a case that Google violated the terms of their license agreement by implementing Java in a way that wasn't supported. The potential damage was that Oracle was saying they will be harmed if people learn "google's Java" and not their own. I don't have much love for Java because it's a security joke, so it's easy to throw them to the lions but it seemed to me that this argument had some validity.


RE: Ellison is Wrong.
By retrospooty on 8/26/13, Rating: -1
RE: Ellison is Wrong.
By tayb on 8/26/2013 4:57:49 PM , Rating: 4
Why? Java is a great language. Write the code one and run it everywhere. It also has a incredible robust library and is syntactically simple.

It's funny to me that you hate Java but like Android.


RE: Ellison is Wrong.
By retrospooty on 8/26/2013 5:09:48 PM , Rating: 3
I believe Duwelon said it right there... "I don't have much love for Java because it's a security joke"

It's at it's absolute worst in a browser. It is the cause of most of the viral infections out there on PC. Insecure, trouble prone, a general support nightmare.

Have you ever met Java? He's a freegin idiot! ;)


RE: Ellison is Wrong.
By Reclaimer77 on 8/26/2013 8:06:08 PM , Rating: 4
Java is used heavily, VERY heavily, on the server side of the Internet.

Javascript is also the worlds most ubiquitous computing runtime, it's everywhere. With no signs of that changing either.

I think it will be a long time until the 'death knell' for Java comes to pass :)


RE: Ellison is Wrong.
By wordsworm on 8/26/2013 10:43:00 PM , Rating: 2
Java and Javascript, despite having similar monikers, are not related. Oracle does not own Javascript.


RE: Ellison is Wrong.
By syslog2000 on 8/27/2013 10:13:11 AM , Rating: 2
True, but as long as one exists it will be very difficult to kill the other simply because the syntax is very similar. It just means there are that many more devs similar with Java's syntax.


RE: Ellison is Wrong.
By spaced_ on 8/27/2013 12:48:13 PM , Rating: 2
Indeed. As has been answered by wise men before:

quote:
Java and Javascript are similar like Car and Carpet are similar.


A carpet can't exist without a car because they have similar spelling.


RE: Ellison is Wrong.
By Ammohunt on 8/26/2013 2:23:34 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
I don't have much love for Java because it's a security joke


I love it when people that have no idea what they are talking about regurgitate FUD myths like this. The java web browser plugin is .001% of what java is used for. The other 99.999% powers applications in some form in most enterprises globally.


RE: Ellison is Wrong.
By Etsp on 8/26/2013 3:02:32 PM , Rating: 2
The browser plugin provides an interface for the browser to access the JRE installed on the system. The browser plugin isn't normally the source of the security issues, it's the JRE.

Nothing you have said invalidates the fact that Java "is a security joke." All the security problems that Java has been plagued with have been via the browser plug-in simply because it is much easier for a remote attacker to access the system via the browser.

If you downloaded the infected java application and ran it locally you'd still get infected.


RE: Ellison is Wrong.
By sabarjp on 8/26/2013 4:22:57 PM , Rating: 2
.NET framework and Silverlight have both had dozens of security holes as well, so they aren't any better off. Programs written in C or C++ are just as dangerous, if not more so, as they don't even have a semblance of a sandbox environment.

Java web apps make Java dangerous, not the language. Almost any programming language can be used to wreak havoc, especially since nearly anything can hook into the Win32 API and people turn off UAC and run admin accounts.

The interface between the web and your PC will always be vulnerable, whether it is Java, Silverlight, WebGL, Flash, or your browser. It is all about getting the coveted root access.


RE: Ellison is Wrong.
By Etsp on 8/26/2013 5:45:40 PM , Rating: 2
I don't think Silverlight can be compared to Java applets or to the .NET framework.

A couple of things: How many 0-day .NET exploits have there been? How many Java 0-day exploits? How quickly were they addressed?

The thing is, Java's process for updating is terrible, and .NET's is built into the OS and largely automatic. Not that Java can help that really...

So, to have a relatively secure installation of Java, you need their updater application running. Too bad it's terrible.

Java: Have our updater application running in the background at all times, only actually check on login (unlocking your system doesn't count).

I think the UI for the updater was designed to be annoying as possible. Just a few minutes after logging in, you suddenly get a UAC Prompt. No dialog that pops up that says, "We found an update, would you like to install it?" If I click "Yes", then a UAC prompt is appropriate. That'd be nice. Nope, just a UAC prompt out of nowhere, and some text in the bottom corner of your screen saying, "Java update found"

God forbid if you don't install it into the default directory. It doesn't check where you installed it last time, so you need to change it EVERY TIME.

Then, to top it all off: EVERY TIME YOU UPDATE YOU HAVE TO TELL IT TO NOT INSTALL A BROWSER TOOLBAR.

Oracle is just BEGGING people to not regularly update the Java.


RE: Ellison is Wrong.
By spaced_ on 8/27/2013 12:52:43 PM , Rating: 2
To be honest, I think the real problem with Java is that Oracle owns it.

It's only going to go down the toilet from here.


RE: Ellison is Wrong.
By Ammohunt on 8/28/2013 1:34:35 PM , Rating: 2
Having worked at Oracle i can assure you Java is not a product they can or are willing to flush down the toilet. Oracle is in the process of shedding some of their old world ideas in order to remain competitive. Like any entrenched bureaucracy it will take time for them to adapt.


RE: Ellison is Wrong.
By spaced_ on 8/28/2013 3:51:11 PM , Rating: 2
I hope so. I admire your optimism.

But I don't see much of a future for it. How do Oracle make money out of open source? They start close-sourcing it. I think MySQL and OpenOffice are evidence enough that Oracle will fork Java up somehow.

I can see the sparkles in the Oracle lawyers and business man's eyes when they think about how entrenched it is in the industry. I'm sure they're concocting methods to squeeze some $$$'s out of someone for it.

Like Pantene shampoo, it won't happen overnight but it will happen.


RE: Ellison is Wrong.
By NellyFromMA on 8/26/2013 1:14:18 PM , Rating: 1
This whole girl-fight couldn't be any less interesting, honestly.

I say put them in both in the octagon, see who taps out (or cries) first and lets all get on with our lives. Least interesting tech feud ever.


RE: Ellison is Wrong.
By aany on 8/26/2013 5:40:21 PM , Rating: 1
my roomate's sister makes $60/hour on the computer. She has been fired from work for 5 months but last month her income was $21502 just working on the computer for a few hours. Read more here .............. http://tiny.cc/h20f2w


RE: Ellison is Wrong.
By Integral9 on 8/26/2013 5:50:39 PM , Rating: 1
Oracle is trying to get a judge to overturn the license Google has and make Google pay Oracle for the license. Larry is a dick with too much money.

Typical corporate abuse of our legal system. "It's ok if we don't like the way the cookie crumbled, so long as we can get a judge to say it crumbled another way; then reality doesn't exist and the judge can substitute their own reality and it will be true."


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