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VW wants more incentives

Volkswagen AG (VW) wants diesel vehicles to get federal and state incentives similar to those for electric vehicles (EVs). Instead, the automaker feels diesels are "penalized." 

“We’re not feeling the love,” said Anna Schneider, vice president for industry and government relations at VW Group of America. “This is one of the greenest choices... It’s time the U.S. government included clean diesel in its ‘all of the above’ strategy’ for greening U.S. roads. Putting these vehicles on the road should be incentivized and not penalized, and that’s our goal.”

Diesels are about 30 percent more fuel efficient than gasoline vehicles, but the problem is that diesels have a higher carbon content than the gasoline-powered cars. For that reason, the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) said that diesels only cut carbon emissions by 7 to 20 percent.

Hence, diesels don't get the same treatment as EVs. EVs receive many advantages, such as federal and state tax credits, access to carpool lanes, etc. This is because EVs are seen as key contributors to "greening" the auto industry, and that's especially important right now with the new 54.5 MPG CAFE standards in place for 2017-2025 model years. 

In fact, these new standards don't give diesels additional credits the way it does other vehicles. The EPA said it doesn’t believe diesel vehicles push the commercialization of technologies that will help autos reach zero (or even near-zero) emissions. In addition, the EPA doesn't seem to think that diesels have an issue with "consumer acceptance."

Further hurting the cause of diesels is that 15 U.S. states place additional taxes on diesel, and federal taxes for diesels are 6 cents higher than those of gasoline-powered autos. 

EVs, on the other hand, are eligible for a $7,500 federal tax credit. 

VW is a known promoter of diesel vehicles. For instance, the company confirmed its XL1 hybrid for production earlier this year. The two-seat Volkswagen XL1 has a plug-in diesel hybrid system that allows it to achieve 314 MPG and 31 miles on electric power alone. The CO2 emissions sits at 21 g/km, and it is considered the most aerodynamic car with a Cd figure of 0.189. It's also very light at just 1,752 pounds.

Source: The Detroit News

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RE: Logic driven by profit
By Monkey's Uncle on 8/22/2013 12:51:10 PM , Rating: 2
Not sure what's got your ears in a knot, but there are a couple of things to consider:

1. Electric cars are very new. They also need a lot of maturing to get their range up to anything near a fossil fuel car. The only electrci that even comes close is the Tesla s.

2. Hybrids are a half-assed solution. Sure you get a little better mileage but at the cost of doubling the complexity and adding a huge amount of weight. Not very efficient! As well their ballyhooed efficiency is just not there when you use them on highways at highway speeds. Not very useful for commuters.

3. Clean diesels have only within the last year or so started coming out in North America for anything except Vee-Dubs. Previous diesels polluted the air like pigs, rattled like a can of marbles when they ran and left a bad taste in early adopter's mouths. We in North America are very pollution conscious and tend to not buy 'dirty' cars. We also like our cars to NOT sound like they are falling off their wheels. Let more quiet, clean diesel options appear in automaker dealers and we will buy them like mad. Until then it appears to be a europe-only market.

4. Realize that we also prize reliability and VW has not shown a very track record in regards to reliability. That said there are still an awful lot of VW & Audi TDIs sold in the U.S. I might even hazard to guesstimate that VW sells more Jetta TDIs in N.A. than anywhere else in the world.

So before you start whining about "You Americans....", perhaps you really should look at what is really happening in the world.

RE: Logic driven by profit
By Peter-B on 8/22/2013 4:34:17 PM , Rating: 2
We in North America are very pollution conscious and tend to not buy 'dirty' cars.

That's hilarious! You like to drive 3+ litre vehicles even just to go grocery shopping! In Europe 1.4-1.6 litre diesel and gasoline engines are very popular, Ford even released 1.0 120 hp gasoline supermini. Would you drive a car like that in North America? They are cleaner than anything non-EV you have (39 urban / 56 highway US-MPG).

RE: Logic driven by profit
By Monkey's Uncle on 8/22/2013 6:17:56 PM , Rating: 2
There is a reason for that.

In North America, gasoline is about half the price that it goes for in other continents -- except maybe in the Middle east where full size SUV's are really popular.

Realize also that roads in the older parts of many European cities are narrower than the average road in North America. Larger cars simply don't fit on them.

You are pointing at 1.4-1.6 liter cars in Europe. What kind of engines do you think are going into very popular cars like the Chevy Cruze? (hint: It's not a 3.0 liter V6). For the Ford Fusion, you can't even get one with a V6. The Hyundai Veloster and Elantra have retty small engines as well.

My Focus is 2.0 liters - and if it came in Diesel, I would have bought that.

I have already said this too: It was not until the last couple of years that automakers that sell cars in North America have even considered diesel. That is because there were no diesels out there that met our emission standards. In short they ran dirty. Now that diesels have been designed that can meet our emission standards, perhaps we will see more of them.

And yes a 1.0 liter car is not out of the question here. There are plenty of the following cars sold in North America:

You are making an assumption that North Americans would not be caught dead driving something that is cheap to run. Sadly car makers are looking at the North American market pretty much the same way you are. They are just recently getting the message that we like being able to drive 800+ miles on a tank of gas and not having to spend $80US to fill it.

RE: Logic driven by profit
By Reclaimer77 on 8/22/2013 6:48:58 PM , Rating: 2
Hey asshole, America has the tightest emissions standards in the WORLD! Which is why we can't even BUY your shitty diesel vehicles here, they're too dirty!!

I'm so tired of you prick European elitists pissing on everything about us without knowing shit.

RE: Logic driven by profit
By erple2 on 8/25/2013 10:39:13 AM , Rating: 2
To be fair, mention a diesel to the average American, and they will tell you about the HORRIBLE attempt at one that GM made in the early 80s. It has taken VW a long time to try and erase that stain. I don't count Mercedes in that as they're not everyman type cars - they've had a loyal following for a long while.

When I asked VW about why it was so hard to get more diesel VW's here, the response was that CA would only allow a certain number sold in that state. I live on the east coast, the tresponse was a shrug.

The modern diesel engine is far more civilized than what people remember GM vomited out even 30 years ago. Diesels in Trucks have enjoyed a different renaissance here.

RE: Logic driven by profit
By HangFire on 8/26/2013 3:09:45 PM , Rating: 2
The reason there are not a lot of diesels sold to consumers in the US is very simple- since the introduction of ULSD, diesel usually costs more than premium fuel. That removes most or all incentive to "save money" by buying a diesel vehicle.

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