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VW wants more incentives

Volkswagen AG (VW) wants diesel vehicles to get federal and state incentives similar to those for electric vehicles (EVs). Instead, the automaker feels diesels are "penalized." 

“We’re not feeling the love,” said Anna Schneider, vice president for industry and government relations at VW Group of America. “This is one of the greenest choices... It’s time the U.S. government included clean diesel in its ‘all of the above’ strategy’ for greening U.S. roads. Putting these vehicles on the road should be incentivized and not penalized, and that’s our goal.”

Diesels are about 30 percent more fuel efficient than gasoline vehicles, but the problem is that diesels have a higher carbon content than the gasoline-powered cars. For that reason, the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) said that diesels only cut carbon emissions by 7 to 20 percent.

Hence, diesels don't get the same treatment as EVs. EVs receive many advantages, such as federal and state tax credits, access to carpool lanes, etc. This is because EVs are seen as key contributors to "greening" the auto industry, and that's especially important right now with the new 54.5 MPG CAFE standards in place for 2017-2025 model years. 

In fact, these new standards don't give diesels additional credits the way it does other vehicles. The EPA said it doesn’t believe diesel vehicles push the commercialization of technologies that will help autos reach zero (or even near-zero) emissions. In addition, the EPA doesn't seem to think that diesels have an issue with "consumer acceptance."

Further hurting the cause of diesels is that 15 U.S. states place additional taxes on diesel, and federal taxes for diesels are 6 cents higher than those of gasoline-powered autos. 

EVs, on the other hand, are eligible for a $7,500 federal tax credit. 

VW is a known promoter of diesel vehicles. For instance, the company confirmed its XL1 hybrid for production earlier this year. The two-seat Volkswagen XL1 has a plug-in diesel hybrid system that allows it to achieve 314 MPG and 31 miles on electric power alone. The CO2 emissions sits at 21 g/km, and it is considered the most aerodynamic car with a Cd figure of 0.189. It's also very light at just 1,752 pounds.


Source: The Detroit News



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Diesels do seem to have a bad rep
By bill.rookard on 8/22/2013 11:38:37 AM , Rating: 0
Probably lingering from the crappy diesels produced in the 80's. I was in Italy a few years ago, and had the chance to tool around in a Renault diesel for about 500+ miles. Drove great, peppy, and excellent mileage. I wound up driving pretty much from Rome, all the way across the country (and around the smaller towns) and almost made it back before having to refuel. It was quiet, ran great and was quite a nice little 5 person 'micro van' (about the same size as a Pontiac Vibe).

As for the carbon emissions, let me see if I get this straight: Promoting clean diesels would 'only' reduce carbon emissions by 10-20%? Ummm... this is not good enough? I would think that anything cutting almost 1/5th of carbon emissions vs gasoline would be worthwhile, especially since it uses EXISTING TECHNOLOGY. And does this even factor in the bio-diesel options?




RE: Diesels do seem to have a bad rep
By 91TTZ on 8/22/2013 11:59:04 AM , Rating: 4
When I went to Europe, the cities stunk like diesel fumes. This was only a couple of years ago with all the "clean diesels".

The problem is that diesels output more particulates than gasoline engines.


RE: Diesels do seem to have a bad rep
By ClownPuncher on 8/22/2013 12:34:59 PM , Rating: 2
Not so much anymore, and that particulate matter isn't really a big deal.


RE: Diesels do seem to have a bad rep
By phatboye on 8/22/2013 2:56:44 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
and that particulate matter isn't really a big deal.


What? Particulate matter is a big deal! Can you please elaborate on what you mean by this statement.


RE: Diesels do seem to have a bad rep
By mellomonk on 8/22/2013 5:16:53 PM , Rating: 2
Particulate matter hasn't been much of an issue since the changeover to low sulfur fuel combined with newer emissions put in place in the mid 2000s. The particulate filters used in auto applications are very effective. Find the video on VWs website where they place a white cloth across the exhaust pipe of one of their TDi models and a regular petrol fueled car. Pretty eye opening.


RE: Diesels do seem to have a bad rep
By dnd728 on 8/22/2013 6:35:01 PM , Rating: 3
http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1082978_are-di...
quote:
economical low engine speeds mean exhaust gases don't get hot enough to burn off the particulate matter--leading to clogged filters and expensive replacements.


By ClownPuncher on 8/22/2013 7:14:52 PM , Rating: 2
Then buy your car based on the proper application. If you're all in-town and low speeds, don't buy a diesel. If you commute on the freeway, do.


RE: Diesels do seem to have a bad rep
By Argon18 on 8/22/13, Rating: 0
By Reclaimer77 on 8/22/2013 4:10:34 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
So any diesel smell you noticed, is from the 1980's and 1990's diesels that are still going strong.


Speaking of smells, this set off my bullsh#t detector.


RE: Diesels do seem to have a bad rep
By Mint on 8/22/2013 6:14:31 PM , Rating: 2
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Modern clean diesels are *cleaner* than gasoline engines
They're not. They're much better than before, but the vaunted TDI engines only get Tier 2 bin 5 rating, which is rather middling. The best get Tier 2 bin 2 rating, which only prototype diesels can hope to achieve).


RE: Diesels do seem to have a bad rep
By Wonga on 8/22/2013 12:45:03 PM , Rating: 2
Can I ask which parts of Europe you visited? In the UK I think about half of the cars on the road are now diesels and, although I agree with you about diesels generating more particulates, I'm hard pressed if I can find a footpath next to a road with stinks as a result, in the city I live in or any other city in the UK I frequent.

The particulates concern me a lot more than any stink that I haven't observed, as they are invisible and any city dweller probably breaths in a lot of them over a lifetime. The newer diesels with particulate filters should certainly help, but that creates a new problem for anyone who only uses their car to drive down the local supermarket only, as the filter will eventually blind.


RE: Diesels do seem to have a bad rep
By euler007 on 8/22/2013 1:51:47 PM , Rating: 2
I don't think he actually went there, that's the kind of FUD fed to the North American public about diesel. Not sure what his stake in it is, but I'd doubt it's none.


RE: Diesels do seem to have a bad rep
By kwrzesien on 8/22/2013 2:23:00 PM , Rating: 1
I've just been to India (Mumbai) and have been there three times before and Ghana (Accra) in 2000. The air quality is problem No. 1, and a lot of it is from small diesel vehicles. Now I understand that they are naturally going to have older vehicles, and less maintenance, and no emissions controls. But it adds up to a *lot* of particulates and other emissions and it sucks to be stuck behind those vehicles. I even carry an inhaler along just in case. Most people (foreigners) drive on recirc just because of this.


By euler007 on 8/22/2013 4:26:08 PM , Rating: 2
Because high sulfur diesel used in a carpool of 18M outdated cars is very applicable for the North American continent.


By amagriva on 8/25/2013 4:03:29 PM , Rating: 2
in India, and in all South-East Asia in general, the air killer are two-stroke engines (tuc-tuc, scooters, etc.) I thought it was impossible not to recognize that...


By BZDTemp on 8/23/2013 4:53:11 AM , Rating: 2
I gotta wonder where in Europe that was as I can't recognize that.

Maybe if it was in the southern part of Europe the fumes was actually from all the two wheel motor bikes or perhaps you visited the part of Europe that is not governed by EU regulations or similar(like Switzerland, Norway...)?

quote:
The problem is that diesels output more particulates than gasoline engines.

Modern diesel are equipped with particle filters unless you're in a place where laws doesn't require that and people are too cheap to then pay for them.


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