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No word on when next-generation Titan will launch

Nissan has announced that it will be adding a new Cummins 5.0-liter V8 turbodiesel engine option to its next-generation Titan pickup. The engine will be built at the Columbus Engine Plant currently owned by Cummins.

"This is an exciting announcement for our Cummins team," said Tom Linebarger, Chairman and CEO of Cummins Inc. "We are bringing our innovation and latest technology in engines and after treatment products to a new segment of customers. Importantly, this will help us grow our own business as well as allow us to help an important new partner, Nissan, succeed in the market."

Nissan stopped short of offering any information on the launch of its next-generation Titan, but did say that engineering prototype trucks using the Cummins engine are currently undergoing extensive highway testing.


2014 Nissan Titan

Cummins began developing the new light-duty diesel engine back in 2006, but the global economic downturn delayed the engine project. Caldwell said during the economic downturn the Cummins team continued to develop the light-duty diesel engine and begin to incorporate specific customer needs once it reached an agreement with Nissan.

It interesting that Nissan has decided to go with a V8 turbodiesel instead of a V6 or inline-6 for light-truck duty. The V8 seems like a bit of overkill for the intended market (Nissan doesn’t have the resources to compete in the heavy-duty pickup market where such an engine would be more at home).
 
With that being said, Chrysler has already beat Nissan to the punch by putting a turbodiesel engine into its half-ton Ram 1500 pickup. However, instead of using Cummins like in years past, the new V6 turbodiesel is built by VM Motorr.

Source: Cummins



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v8? really? ugh.
By Argon18 on 8/21/2013 10:26:26 AM , Rating: 3
Why v8? That makes no sense. Use the I6 like Dodge does in their trucks. The v8 is so big and heavy, it's absurd to use it in a light truck. Not to mention the I6's improved fuel economy, the I6 is quieter, easier to work on, less expensive, and makes huge monster power right out of the box.




RE: v8? really? ugh.
By bug77 on 8/21/2013 10:44:26 AM , Rating: 2
It was probably the cheapest money could buy.


RE: v8? really? ugh.
By Samus on 8/21/2013 4:56:01 PM , Rating: 2
Unfortunately, this is true. I6 engines are very hard to engineer for reliability, but most are very reliable, especially diesels. But Toyota's 7M-GE/GTE 3.0 I6's had chronic headgasket problems. BMW has had their share of problems with I6's as well. They are also harder to fit (being as "long" as a V12) but the powerband, efficiency and serviceability are all superior to a V engine.


RE: v8? really? ugh.
By Breakfast Susej on 8/21/2013 10:44:46 AM , Rating: 2
Most likely to appeal to people who want to say they are driving a big V8. Marketing reasons.


RE: v8? really? ugh.
By tdktank59 on 8/21/2013 11:01:00 AM , Rating: 2
Seriously, was talking with a dude the other day at the hardware store and he thought he had a V8 in his 2001 Dodge Ram 2500. Also thought he had glow plugs and a few other things but either way it was funny.

Ill take a inline engine over a V any day!


RE: v8? really? ugh.
By Cheesew1z69 on 8/21/13, Rating: 0
RE: v8? really? ugh.
By FITCamaro on 8/21/2013 12:04:36 PM , Rating: 2
I guess that if he had a diesel then it was a 5.9L I6, not a V8. And I guess Cummins didn't use glow plugs in that motor.


RE: v8? really? ugh.
By Cheesew1z69 on 8/21/2013 12:28:18 PM , Rating: 2
No diesel option that I see according to Edmunds.

http://www.edmunds.com/dodge/ram-pickup-2500/2001/...


RE: v8? really? ugh.
By Spuke on 8/21/2013 12:44:25 PM , Rating: 2
RE: v8? really? ugh.
By Cheesew1z69 on 8/22/2013 8:31:13 AM , Rating: 2
Interesting, ok, so I was wrong :)


RE: v8? really? ugh.
By lagomorpha on 8/22/2013 8:30:18 AM , Rating: 2
Direct injection is superior to indirect injection and doesn't require glow plugs... though he probably didn't know that either.


RE: v8? really? ugh.
By VisionxOrb on 8/21/2013 11:47:21 AM , Rating: 3
Have you seen the 6bt ( 5.9/6.7 cummins ) out of a vehicle? its pretty freaking big, on most swaps it takes a lot of firewall and core support mods to get it to fit, probably went with the V8 because its much more compact. sort of like the 4.5l duramax GM built ( and then shelved ) that was able to fit inplace of a smallblock chevy/ls1 which can fit in almost anything.


RE: v8? really? ugh.
By mellomonk on 8/21/2013 11:47:24 AM , Rating: 2
The new V8 Cummins is considerably more compact and lighter then the inline 6 Cummins as used in the Ram Heavy Duty. The 3.0L V6 VM Motori diesel in the Ram 1500 is even tinier.

The big inline dinosaur is perfect for hauling a big fifth wheel or heavy load. The 3.0L seems the perfect balance of power and efficiency for the average 'family' pick up. The 5.0L seems like it will fall somewhere in between.

Hey, it is awesome to see the average pickup finally getting a modern efficient common rail diesels. Something the enthusiasts have been clamoring for for years.


RE: v8? really? ugh.
By FITCamaro on 8/21/2013 12:06:17 PM , Rating: 2
Yeah I mean the 4.5L diesel V8 that Chevy had ready to go 5 years ago wasn't much larger than like the 5.0L in the new Mustang.


RE: v8? really? ugh.
By MScrip on 8/21/2013 12:21:15 PM , Rating: 2
quote:

The v8 is so big and heavy, it's absurd to use it in a light truck.

The Titan is not a light truck... it's Nissan's big truck. And it already has a V8 engine.

Maybe you're thinking of the Nissan Frontier... that is a light truck.


RE: v8? really? ugh.
By Spuke on 8/21/2013 12:48:11 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
The Titan is not a light truck... it's Nissan's big truck. And it already has a V8 engine.
Light truck is considered any truck with a gross weight of 8500 lbs or less. The Titan and all other 1/2 tons fall into that category.


RE: v8? really? ugh.
By MScrip on 8/21/2013 6:25:52 PM , Rating: 2
Oh yeah... I wasn't considering the formal definition of trucks.

In that case... why did the original poster say it would be a waste to put a V8 in the Titan?

1... The Titan already has a V8 engine
2... Lots of 1/2 tons have V8 engines


RE: v8? really? ugh.
By Alexvrb on 8/21/2013 11:30:08 PM , Rating: 2
It has a gas V8. Not quite the same thing. A modern 5.0L Cummins V8 diesel is going to produce "only" decent horsepower but way, waaay more torque. So the two are hardly comparably, especially in a truck, where torque is crucial. Their current DOHC gas V8 mill only makes 317 HP and 385 ft-lbs, and gets horrible fuel economy in the process. This 5.0L diesel is probably going to be overkill for this truck. Maybe they'll tune it conservatively, though. I'd still take it over their sorely-needs-an-update 5.6L gas engine.

Dodge is doing pretty well with their new baby diesel though. They say it makes 240HP and 420 ft-lbs of torque out of a little 3.0L V6 diesel. That's plenty for a 1500, and I'll bet it gets great fuel economy while still being able to haul a decent load.

Oh, and I like what GM has done with their smallblocks. The direct injected 5.3L smallblock is now pushing 355hp/383ft-lbs, while returning very good fuel economy. That's out of a still-very-compact pushrod design. Great power density. I'm willing to bet this is going to be a popular motor for engine swaps into vehicles with small bays (Miata, RX, etc).


RE: v8? really? ugh.
By MScrip on 8/22/2013 1:48:54 AM , Rating: 2
Gotcha... thanks.

You spell it out much better than the original poster's comment: "Why v8? That makes no sense."

Again... thanks for the info!


RE: v8? really? ugh.
By Sivar on 8/21/2013 12:29:42 PM , Rating: 2
You realize that the number of cylinders has almost nothing to do with engine size or power. It's like measuring pizza size by the number of slices.
For example, is this V8 overkill for the Nissan?: http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2012/10/02/world-sm...


RE: v8? really? ugh.
By inperfectdarkness on 8/21/2013 4:02:27 PM , Rating: 2
I6's are vastly inferior to V6's when it comes to packaging; which is why they are almost obsolete. The F-150 uses v6 ecoboost's for a reason. V8's--being roughly the same length as an I4--are also easier to package than an I6. It makes sense for either V6 or V8 applications. Nissan would have to rework the hood/engine bay to fit 2 more cylinders if they went with a longitudinal I6 vs. a longitudinal v8.


RE: v8? really? ugh.
By russki on 8/21/2013 4:34:57 PM , Rating: 2
are you going to tell this to bmw or should I? lol


RE: v8? really? ugh.
By Spuke on 8/21/2013 5:31:11 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
are you going to tell this to bmw or should I? lol
He didn't impossible but when you have a vehicle designed from the start for V engines, you would have to re-engineer the vehicle for the extra length of the inline engine. BMW is apples to oranges as they DESIGN their vehicles for inline engines.


RE: v8? really? ugh.
By Sivar on 8/22/2013 11:03:24 AM , Rating: 2
BMW did recently change the M3 from an I6 to a V8.


RE: v8? really? ugh.
By Reclaimer77 on 8/21/2013 4:18:28 PM , Rating: 2
A light truck? The TITAN? It's a 5,400 pound truck!

When you buy a truck that goddamn big, you're going to expect a V8. For towing, hauling, etc etc.

Whining about a giant full sized truck having a V8? Wtf..grow a penis.


RE: v8? really? ugh.
By Nexos on 8/22/2013 6:44:35 AM , Rating: 2
That penis comment got me wondering about something. Are big engines and big trucks seen as a sign of masculinity over there in the usa or is the reverse true? Would this truck be more "manly" if it had a V8 or a 6?

Over here in the old world at least, owning a truck like that would be a sure sign of "more bark than bite" if you know what i mean.


RE: v8? really? ugh.
By lagomorpha on 8/22/2013 8:34:49 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Over here in the old world at least, owning a truck like that would be a sure sign of "more bark than bite" if you know what i mean.


It's the same here in America.


RE: v8? really? ugh.
By Reclaimer77 on 8/22/2013 4:00:38 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Are big engines and big trucks seen as a sign of masculinity over there in the usa or is the reverse true? Would this truck be more "manly" if it had a V8 or a 6?


Kind of hard to answer that, there's not really one specific answer.

For some it's Harley Davidson's. For others it might be big trucks. For some it's sports cars with high horsepower engines.

I think it's got more to do with embedded personality types than an actual thought process that goes "hey I need this to look masculine".

The penis comment was sort of a joke, but honestly, complaining that a big truck has a V8 came off really whiny and effeminate to me. Trucks have always had big engines, and always will, because they're designed around hauling and towing. Which requires lots of torque, and torque is more easily and cheaply delivered with a high displacement engine.

quote:
Over here in the old world at least, owning a truck like that would be a sure sign of "more bark than bite" if you know what i mean.


Well yes but over there, and I mean no offense, you've been conditioned by generations of Socialist policies to accept smaller living areas, smaller vehicles, less freedoms etc etc.


RE: v8? really? ugh.
By Manch on 8/26/2013 5:59:23 PM , Rating: 2
Only in combination with KC lights, super swampers, or a cow catcher!

Joking aside, you can usually tell the one that buy the truck because they need to boost their ego, and the ones that actually use their truck for a purpose. Same can be said about cars, bikes, or anything else too I suppose.


RE: v8? really? ugh.
By GotThumbs on 8/22/2013 8:39:51 PM , Rating: 2
5,400 LBS truck needing a v8?

The dodge Ram 3500 weighs in at 6,463 LBS + with the I6 5.9L

I'd seriously consider getting the Titon if they went with the I6. Mechanically less complicated and thus bullet proof IMO.

The anticipated rebuild interval is 300,000 miles.


RE: v8? really? ugh.
By mrwassman on 8/21/2013 4:37:59 PM , Rating: 2
Does anyone think about what they are typing or look anything up before posting? V8's are used because they are more compact that I6's. Why did I8's go away? Big surprise, this means they are lighter. This is why people like LS7's so much.

This is also true for diesel engines, big surprise. The V8 Duramax is 830 lbs and the I6 Cummins is 1,100 lbs.


RE: v8? really? ugh.
By GotThumbs on 8/22/2013 8:18:50 PM , Rating: 2
An I4 would do fine while reducing the engine weight IMO.

Cummins I4 3.8L would be better than V8 IMO.

quote:
The ISF 3.8 is the lightest and strongest engine in its displacement class and is the perfect choice for weight sensitive and space constrained installations above 3.5 tons GVW.


Power 105 - 125 hp / 79 - 94 kW
Torque 450 - 600 lb-ft / 611 - 814 N•m


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