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Ford's pony car to go on a massive diet according to a new report

Ford's iconic Mustang is due for a major redesign next year, which should give it some momentum against the Chevrolet Camaro, which has been outselling it in recent years (to be fair, the Mustang has clawed back in recent months). The new Mustang is supposed to gain a few new engines and an independent rear suspension.
 
However, a new report from Edmunds suggests that the new Mustang is also supposed to lose a lot as well -- namely a few hundred pounds from its curb weight. According to sources familiar with the 2015 Mustang, the vehicle will be a minimum of 400 pounds lighter than the current model.
 
Ford hopes to achieve this astonishing weight loss partially by trimming down the dimensions of the pony car. "The big thing is that it will be a 'smarter' size," said Edmunds' source for the 2015 Mustang information. The vehicle will feature shorter front and rear overhangs, trimming just over a foot off the overall length. The new Mustang is also reported to be about 6.5 inches narrower.


Computer rendering of a possible design direction for the 2015 Mustang
 
"They are going to use more aluminum, better structural engineering in terms of spot welds and so on and so forth, basically using less material and making it stronger," added the source.
 
A 2014 Mustang with 3.7-liter V6 engine and a 6-speed manual transmission weighs 3,501 pounds and is rated at 19/29 mpg (city/highway). Opting for the automatic transmission boosts the EPA rating to 19/31 (city/highway).
 
We previously reported that the 2015 Mustang is set to get a 2.3-liter EcoBoost four-cylinder engine producing close to 300hp. There are also rumors that an EcoBoost V6 engine will join the existing 5.0-liter V8 engine in the lineup. All of the new engine options will be optimized to improve fuel economy in response to government CAFE mandates.


2015 Mustang test mule
 
The Mustang, however, isn't the only upcoming Ford model set to go on a serious diet. The best-selling F-150 could see a weight reduction of up to 700 pounds due to a greater use of aluminum and high-strength steel.

Source: Edmunds



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By Spuke on 8/14/2013 3:53:03 PM , Rating: 2
The average price of a car has raised at least $10k in the last 10-15 years and supposedly 2 million people have been removed from the market because of price increases so, yes, cars are more expensive then before.


By Brandon Hill (blog) on 8/14/2013 4:11:08 PM , Rating: 3
Hmm, let's think. What type of vehicle has risen to prominence in the past 10-15 years? Crossovers. What vehicles cost thousands more than their sedan counterparts? Crossovers.

Base MSRP
2000 Camry LE: $20,388
2000 Accord LX: $18,540
2000 Mazda 626: $18,515

Base MSRP
2013 Camry LE: $22,235
2013 Accord LX: $21,680
2013 Mazda6: $20,990

The bread and butter of the car market hasn't moved much in the past 13 years, so you have to look elsewhere for the increases...


By Spuke on 8/14/2013 4:40:44 PM , Rating: 2
Your prices are off a bit. I don't think you can compare a 626 to a Mazda6 but that's my opinion.

2013 Camry LE: $23,490
2013 Mazda6: $20,990

If you look at actual sales, we're still buying the same cars. Yes, crossovers are the fastest growth category but they still haven't taken over the traditional leaders yet.

http://online.wsj.com/mdc/public/page/2_3022-autos...

PS - looks like pickup sales are back to normal.


By Monkey's Uncle on 8/14/2013 8:39:13 PM , Rating: 2
The Mazda6 is the renamed Mazda Cronos which was in turn the renamed Mazda 626. Just as the Mazda 3 is the renamed Mazda Protegé which was in turn the renamed Mazda 323.

You can certainly compare them directly.

If you look at each model and trim of a car the price of that car really only rises incrementally per year even though there are steady advances in these cars. Look at Brandon's Camry comparisons. The newer car has gained features such as 4 wheel disk brakes, 6 speed automatic transmissions, bigger & more powerful motors, better wheels/tires, better economy, etc.

Look at the differences in prices over 13 years. Does the difference in price really account for the added features and the technical advances?

Sure, in every model you are going to get different levels and options. You max out that Camry and you will be paying almost double for it. You want the toys, you have to pay for them. The base 2013 mustang in my neck of the woods costs about 26K. You trick it out with the top end Shelby 500 packages and you are going to lay down almost $60k for it (not to mention the painful hit you will take on the insurance and at the gas pumps).


By Spuke on 8/15/2013 2:07:24 PM , Rating: 2
A little confused so bear with me. Is the new Mazda6 still based on the Chronos?


By Brandon Hill (blog) on 8/15/2013 2:57:56 PM , Rating: 2
The Mazda6 is a Mazda6.

What he's saying is, the Mazda 626 was replaced by the Mazda6 in the world lineup. Back in the day, the Mazda 626 was a midsize sedan that used to compete with the Camry/Accord/etc. When the 626 nameplate was discontinued in the early 2000s, the name Mazda6 was used in its place.

Kind of like how the Acura Legend became the Acura RL.

The Mazda6 is still a midsize sedan.


By Spuke on 8/15/2013 5:58:43 PM , Rating: 2
Thanks for the clarification.


By FITCamaro on 8/14/2013 7:16:26 PM , Rating: 2
The bread and butter of the car market for the past 10-15 years isn't Camrys and Accords. It's trucks and SUVs. That didn't change really until 2008. And even today they remain a high percentage of sales. Automakers make very little comparatively on sedans. They make more on SUVs and trucks. Crossovers are the result of people not needing bigger SUVs and trucks but still wanting to feel higher up. So they go for crossovers that offer better mileage but still that "powerful" feeling of being higher up.


By Monkey's Uncle on 8/14/2013 8:50:40 PM , Rating: 2
I agree with you on the SUVs, but not so much on the on the pickups. Sure there a buttload of them sold -- the trades have to work :D But not everyone works in the trades or has space for one in the driveway as a second vehicle.

There are huge numbers of folks that commute to the office in midsize sedans like the camry/accord as well as driving those SUVs/crossovers/mini-crossovers. There are still an awful lot of minivans out there but the perceived safety of the SUV/CO 4-wheel drive has been taking a big bite out of the minivan market (thank freaking GOD!).


By FITCamaro on 8/15/2013 8:46:04 AM , Rating: 2
And plenty of people commute in trucks. I work in software engineering and out of 125 people, there are about 30-35 trucks in the parking lot.


By Monkey's Uncle on 8/15/2013 11:16:10 AM , Rating: 2
I worked in software engineering too (retired ;)) Out of the 1500 cars in our parking lot there were only about the same 30-35 pickups trucks. There were a lot more SUVs, minivans and crossovers though - I would guessimate about 60% of the lot was taken by those. But pickuips? Nah, vary few and of those most were owned by the support & maintenance staff (we kept full time HVAC, Electrical, plumbing and grounds keeping staff onsite).


By Spuke on 8/15/2013 2:20:38 PM , Rating: 2
Half of vehicles sold every month are "trucks". Statistics considers minivans, SUVs, pickups, and crossovers as "trucks". The other half are cars. Crossovers sell the most in the pickup category and midsized cars in the other category (with small cars very close behind). I must apologize to Brandon as I read the car data all wrong. I was focusing too much on the individual make and model sales and not on the category sales. He's entirely correct on crossovers being near the top in sales. Midsize cars still outsell crossovers BUT not by much and crossovers are growing. Hell, I own one (wife's car).

I'll also change my statement and admit that it does seem that the switch to crossovers accounts for the average price increase in cars. They do cost more than the average midsize sedan.


By Monkey's Uncle on 8/15/2013 6:40:45 PM , Rating: 2
yes indeed. If you you pull SUVs, minivans and crossovers into the truck category I can see that would definitely be covering at least half (if not more) of automotive sales.

My limited view of the world usually sees trucks as pickups and the large haulers ;) But yes I will agree that these others could be put into that same category (we do call our Venza a 'truck').


By Spuke on 8/15/2013 7:12:22 PM , Rating: 2
Not sure where you live but I was always under the impression that pickups mostly sell in the western states. Might account for you not seeing them that much. Where I live (CA) trucks are as common as Camry's. I own one of those too. :)


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