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Developer kit functionality won't be available at launch

There were a lot of independent developers out there who were unhappy when Microsoft announced that they would need a publisher to get video games onto the Xbox One game console. Thankfully, Microsoft has now changed its mind with an announcement that every Xbox One game console will be able to make video games.

These independently developed video games will be made available via Xbox Live. However, there is a bit of a caveat -- the devkit functionality for the Xbox One won't come at launch. Microsoft plans to add that capability at some undefined later date.


"Our vision is that every person can be a creator,” said Microsoft a statement. “That every Xbox One can be used for development. That every game and experience can take advantage of all of the features of Xbox One and Xbox LIVE. This means self-publishing. This means Kinect, the cloud, achievements. This means great discoverability on Xbox LIVE. We'll have more details on the program and the timeline at gamescom in August."

Microsoft's Xbox corporate vice president Marc Whitten told Kotaku, "My goal is for it to just show up in the marketplace. Of course there will be different pivots inside of that. There will be everything from what are we curating, kind of like spotlight content, to the normal discoverability stuff like recommendations, what's trending, what's got a lot of engagement on the platform."

Whether or not Microsoft will charge developers to publish their games directly remains to be seen. Whitten also says that he hopes some sort of certification system will be required for independent games to be published to ensure that there is no IP infringement or other issues with content published to the Xbox One.

Source: Kotaku



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RE: aha
By karimtemple on 7/25/2013 9:42:44 AM , Rating: -1
$400 consoles have always been better gaming devices than $400 PCs, pretty much making your entire comment moot. And $250 consoles are certainly better gaming devices than $250 PCs.


RE: aha
By Monkey's Uncle on 7/25/2013 10:01:39 AM , Rating: 2
You are comparing an orange (console) to a whole bowl of fruit (PC).

Did either poster mention anything about cost? No. Only hardware capability.

Can you track your budget, do your taxes or download a movie while playing that game on a $400 console? You can on a $400 PC. Can you play more than one game at a time on that $400 console? You can on the $400 PC. If you want to throw a bit more graphics processing power in you can also beat that console's capabilities while doing these things.

Consoles are specialized pieces of equipment. PCs are NOT. That you can get a PC to do the one thing a console specializes at even better. regardless of the additional hardware added in, should tell you that maybe consoles, even the PS4 or the One, are not the best platforms for gaming.


RE: aha
By karimtemple on 7/25/2013 10:26:34 AM , Rating: 1
Your argument is that consoles aren't the best platform for gaming (which is not what I said) because they only play games? lol.


RE: aha
By inighthawki on 7/25/2013 11:17:03 AM , Rating: 2
No you're missing his point. He is saying PC is a far superior gaming machine than a console at a higher cost, but for the same cost ($400) it can also do a lot of miscellaneous tasks that your console cannot that make it more worthwhile.

As far as gaming goes, PCs are lightyears ahead of consoles if you're willing to spend enough.


RE: aha
By Mitch101 on 7/25/2013 11:47:05 AM , Rating: 3
I agree one can live without a game console but you can hardly get by today without a PC. So its silly to compare the $400 price tag to a device dedicated specifically to gaming and a device dedicated to everything you need in general. That doesnt make the game console a bad deal there is a lot to say about game controls.


RE: aha
By Reclaimer77 on 7/25/2013 11:54:04 AM , Rating: 1
quote:
He is saying PC is a far superior gaming machine than a console at a higher cost, but for the same cost ($400)


Yeah and that's BS.

$400 will barely cover a decent video card. Let alone an entire PC specd for "gaming".

This convo is starting to get a bit silly...


RE: aha
By ClownPuncher on 7/25/2013 2:22:18 PM , Rating: 2
Er, a $400 video card will destroy games.


RE: aha
By Reclaimer77 on 7/25/2013 3:38:08 PM , Rating: 3
Not really. Depending on the games. Especially if you want a capped 60+ FPS at ALL TIMES NO MATTER WHAT, and highest settings.

Two $600 video cards will destroy games though.

Anyway my point still stands. Anyone telling you that you can build a "gaming PC" for $400 is lying. Straight out.


RE: aha
By ClownPuncher on 7/25/2013 5:37:43 PM , Rating: 2
If the PC in question will run 99% of games with higher settings than the console will, it isn't lying.

We both know you're much better off spending $800-1200, but it's simply not needed for anything but the absolutely most demanding titles on the market. Of which there are maybe 10.


RE: aha
By SPOOFE on 7/25/2013 5:49:15 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
If the PC in question will run 99% of games with higher settings than the console will

And if unicorns existed they'd beat the pants off those dastardly hobgoblins.


RE: aha
By nikon133 on 7/25/2013 6:05:15 PM , Rating: 2
First of, it will not be running 99% of games at all... because big chunk of the games will never appear on PC.

I really don't understand how can people keep ignoring this.

In addition... looking at gameplay demos for new Killzone, Titanfall, Destiny, The Division... I really doubt $400 PC will give comparable visual quality. In a few years, sure - but today? No way.

At the end, even some of the games from PS3/X360 are still unmatched. Not because PC cannot do better - but because noone bothered to make it happen. If someone likes to play hack'n' slash games like God of War, 3D platformers/shooters like Ratchet & Clank, action adventures like Uncharted... what are PC alternatives?

Personally, I have adopted "best of both worlds" mantra. I keep decent gaming PC that gets updated/replaced as required - not the highest high end, but reasonable. But I also keep PS3 (and planning to grab PS4 on release). They both get their exclusives, and multiplatform games I choose depending on number of factors, visuals being only one of them. Among the others are multiplayer/co-op features of games, and what will my mates be playing them on... things like that.


RE: aha
By bodar on 7/25/2013 8:06:40 PM , Rating: 2
There are usually SOME alternatives, but you're right: not every game is going to get a PC port. Maybe some people will be satisfied with the Tomb Raiders, Darksiders, and Assassin's Creeds that are ported to PC, but PC gaming isn't the solution for everyone.


RE: aha
By SlyNine on 7/26/2013 2:53:44 AM , Rating: 2
Big chunks of games wont appear on consoles either. Since that's the linchpin of your entire rant, you are invalidated.


RE: aha
By ClownPuncher on 7/26/2013 11:15:23 AM , Rating: 2
There are more PC exclusive games than there will ever be PS4/XB1 exclusive games.

I wasn't comparing a $400 PC to the PS4 and XB1. Why would I? Those consoles do not exist. Why would you compare hardware you can buy to hardware you can't?

Anyway, terrible arguments. They were bad and you should feel bad.


RE: aha
By Reclaimer77 on 7/26/2013 9:15:25 AM , Rating: 2
lol Ok please, just stop.

Do me a favor, go to Newegg or whatever site you prefer, and try to build me a complete "gaming PC" for around $400. You can't!

And no, you can't use a goddamned Core2 Duo for the CPU. Whoever suggested that is an idiot. That chip design is nearly ten years old! Where would you find a new in-box one anyway? There's none on Newegg, Amazon, not even Ebay.

If you have to use ten year old freaking used parts to bolster your argument, you didn't have one in the first place.


RE: aha
By Mitch101 on 7/27/2013 8:47:01 PM , Rating: 2
I can and I think I can do a better job on the 1TB hard drive for $70.00 especially since 3tb goes on sale for $99.00

AMD QUAD x640 $59.99 - On Sale
Case $20.00 AR - Sure its cheap
Power Supply $15.00 AR
8gb Ram $44.95 AR/Sale
Mobo 760G $30.00
1TB Hard Drive $70.00
Windows 8 $55.00 Recent Ebay/Spoofee deal Free 8.1 upgrade
Radeon 7790 $99.00 AR
Total $393.94

The 7790 is faster than the Radeon 6870.
I also think I can probably find a combo deal if I cared enough to look.


RE: aha
By inighthawki on 7/25/2013 3:45:01 PM , Rating: 2
A decently high end gaming rig thatll run most games at 60fps, 1080p, medium-high settings will probably run you about $1000, but will also have significantly more functionality than a console. This is what he was mainly getting at. Yes it will cost more, but you can go well above and beyond a console and also get way more out of a PC.


RE: aha
By karimtemple on 7/25/2013 4:10:56 PM , Rating: 2
This started because we got this:
quote:
PC's have been superior in every single way for years.

I sometimes wonder why consoles sell at all
To which I replied:
quote:
$400 consoles have always been better gaming devices than $400 PCs
To be fair to you, you might not have seen that as my reply has been downvoted to collapse, even though no one can name a $250 PC that can play PS3-quality games, or a $400 PC that can play what we expect to come from the PS3.

Therefore the mention of $1000 is already defeated. The answer to the question "Why buy a console?" was "It's a better gaming platform at its price point." Again, I play everything on my PC, so this isn't fanboyism. I was just answering a question.


RE: aha
By karimtemple on 7/25/2013 4:13:26 PM , Rating: 2
*what we expect to come from the PS4


RE: aha
By inighthawki on 7/25/2013 9:52:25 PM , Rating: 2
You are correct, I did not see that. I do agree with you, a $400 console is definitely a better gaming device than any $400 PC.


RE: aha
By SlyNine on 7/26/2013 2:55:46 AM , Rating: 2
So what you're really saying is that because you have to pay more for something that's better, it makes it not better?

So a Geo is as good as a Cadillac. Gotchya.


RE: aha
By karimtemple on 7/27/2013 9:36:37 PM , Rating: 2
That's exactly what I'm saying. This is not a world where money doesn't matter. If it didn't, everyone would play video games on the personal Tesla supercomputer clusters they have in their basements. So if you've got $250, PC is not better. If you've got $1000, PC is better.


RE: aha
By ReloadAO on 7/25/2013 10:04:14 AM , Rating: 2
Depends on a point of view. For pc you need more money from the start, but games?

Have you ever heard of a steam sale?
Have you ever heard of game modding? Skyrim, Fallout 3, Oblivion etc. http://www.nexusmods.com/

there is only one problem....not enough time!


RE: aha
By SPOOFE on 7/25/2013 5:50:32 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
Have you ever heard of a steam sale?

Yup. I didn't even buy anything during the last one.

quote:
Have you ever heard of game modding?

Yup. Outside of a few notable exceptions, most of them suck all the balls.


RE: aha
By SlyNine on 7/26/2013 2:56:48 AM , Rating: 2
Bullshit. Many of them are AAA titles.


RE: aha
By StevoLincolnite on 7/25/2013 10:06:56 AM , Rating: 2
You serious? If you want a $400 gaming PC, it really isn't that hard.

Go buy yourself a second hand Core 2 Quad or Phenom 2 x4 system second hand for $100-$200, whack in a $200 second hand graphics card, do a little overclocking and BANG you have a system that is more than capable of playing games at a measly 1080P which is a resolution superior to that of the current consoles where most games are 720P or lower.

Besides, you forgot to look at the long term costs of this "next generation" of consoles.
You have to pay for online, that's an added cost that's free on the PC.

PC games are generally $10-$20 cheaper than console games, that amount adds up massively over 10's of games, bought 100 games on a console? You could have saved $1,000 if you bought them on PC or *more* during a Steam sale.

Consoles look cheap, but they really aren't.

Don't forget the abundance of free-to-play games on the PC either.


RE: aha
By karimtemple on 7/25/2013 10:34:02 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Go buy yourself a second hand Core 2 Quad or Phenom 2 x4 system second hand for $100-$200, whack in a $200 second hand graphics card, do a little overclocking and BANG
Step 1: Amazon.com-ordered box arrives in the mail. Step 2: Plays video games.
quote:
Besides, you forgot to look at the long term costs of this "next generation" of consoles.
Great point. I hate this about Live (and now PSN!), which I why I don't have it. I game on my PC. But a point's a point, and the point is my PC did not cost $400, or come simple and ready-to-use.
quote:
PC games are generally $10-$20 cheaper than console games, that amount adds up massively over 10's of games, bought 100 games on a console? You could have saved $1,000 if you bought them on PC or *more* during a Steam sale.
Consoles are copying the crazy-sales model now, and will do it even moreso in the future. They're also getting more and more free-to-play.


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