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Developer kit functionality won't be available at launch

There were a lot of independent developers out there who were unhappy when Microsoft announced that they would need a publisher to get video games onto the Xbox One game console. Thankfully, Microsoft has now changed its mind with an announcement that every Xbox One game console will be able to make video games.

These independently developed video games will be made available via Xbox Live. However, there is a bit of a caveat -- the devkit functionality for the Xbox One won't come at launch. Microsoft plans to add that capability at some undefined later date.


"Our vision is that every person can be a creator,” said Microsoft a statement. “That every Xbox One can be used for development. That every game and experience can take advantage of all of the features of Xbox One and Xbox LIVE. This means self-publishing. This means Kinect, the cloud, achievements. This means great discoverability on Xbox LIVE. We'll have more details on the program and the timeline at gamescom in August."

Microsoft's Xbox corporate vice president Marc Whitten told Kotaku, "My goal is for it to just show up in the marketplace. Of course there will be different pivots inside of that. There will be everything from what are we curating, kind of like spotlight content, to the normal discoverability stuff like recommendations, what's trending, what's got a lot of engagement on the platform."

Whether or not Microsoft will charge developers to publish their games directly remains to be seen. Whitten also says that he hopes some sort of certification system will be required for independent games to be published to ensure that there is no IP infringement or other issues with content published to the Xbox One.

Source: Kotaku



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aha
By GulWestfale on 7/25/2013 8:43:11 AM , Rating: 0
my vision is that every xbox one costs a hundred bucks more than the PS4. that every xbox one has 50% less graphics power than teh PS4. that every xbox one has less memory bandwidth. and that kinect will spy on every one of our customers.

i'm not buying 'one'.




RE: aha
By BRB29 on 7/25/13, Rating: 0
RE: aha
By michal1980 on 7/25/2013 8:56:31 AM , Rating: 1
this brb29 reply sponsored by the xbone.


RE: aha
By BRB29 on 7/25/13, Rating: 0
RE: aha
By Mitch101 on 7/25/13, Rating: -1
RE: aha
By karimtemple on 7/25/2013 3:56:19 PM , Rating: 2
The only true differentiator the One has is HDMI In, which is something Google TV and then Wii U were doing before the One was even announced. I really wished Sony snuck it on to the final PS4 hardware (it's pretty cheap to do) just to take the wind out of MS's sails and troll them super hardcore.

Because once the hardware's out of the way (and PS4 has a Kinect-like hardware option), all that's needed is a competent firmware group* to put out the features such as "TV integration," gesture controls, etc. Skype itself is a pretty cool feature though, and would be almost impossible to match even though it's just software.

*this is where the trouble comes in for Sony, rofl


RE: aha
By karimtemple on 7/25/2013 3:58:36 PM , Rating: 1
Correction: Wii U doesn't do its TV integration with HDMI In. Wow that system gets stupider every time I look into it lol.


RE: aha
By Mitch101 on 7/25/2013 5:24:50 PM , Rating: 3
Ive owned Eye Toy and its ok it only really differentiates the background from the foreground through asking you to leave and then come back. I haven't seen any improvements announced for it. It not anywhere near Kinect otherwise they would be crowing about it. The know when it comes to motion sensing Microsoft holds all the cards.

I personally see 3 big differences Skype, Kinect 2.0, and HDMI In. But your also paying for them an extra $100.00

If you have any family members into dance games you have to go with Kinect over anything else. The latest version can tell rotation of limbs accuracy is just crazy Engadget even says its borderline freaky what they can do with Kinect 2.0. This round though it looks like they may get Kinect to do some additional things Im hoping leaning will cause the character to lean in FPS games.

Also nearly everyone I know uses Skype and why not the thing has a camera and skype is huge so why not leverage it.

The HDMI in just just that extra candy when your gaming and not gaming. Will it replace my remote will wait and see for that.

Both are going to be great and a lot of fun Im not sure why anyone has to pick a side.


RE: aha
By karimtemple on 7/27/2013 9:29:39 PM , Rating: 2
The Eye Toy is nothing like the PS4 Eye. A lot of improvements have been announced. I doubt it's advanced as Kinect 2, but it does in fact offer similar functionality.

So the fact remains that if they snuck in HDMI In, Sony could reasonably answer to every XBO differentiator except Skype. I don't find Sony to be particularly clever or aggressive though, so MS doesn't really have anything to worry about lol. I was just saying.


RE: aha
By Wolfpup on 7/25/13, Rating: 0
RE: aha
By karimtemple on 7/25/2013 10:02:27 AM , Rating: 5
P being 50% more than X is completely different from X being 50% less than P, lol.


RE: aha
By Mitch101 on 7/25/2013 11:39:51 AM , Rating: 4
The X-Box ONE production box has been increased.

Xbox One memory performance improved for production console
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-x...
The 32MB of "embedded static RAM" within the Xbox One processor aims to make up the difference, and was previously thought to sustain a peak theoretical throughput of 102GB/s - useful, but still some way behind the 176GB/s found in PlayStation 4's RAM set-up. Now that close-to-final silicon is available, Microsoft has revised its own figures upwards significantly, telling developers that 192GB/s is now theoretically possible.

Its irrelevant though I doubt we will see any game that cant be ported to either console. Game engines can reduce a non-factor eye candy item in game if needed.


RE: aha
By Arsynic on 7/25/2013 9:06:07 AM , Rating: 2
Go post at NeoGAF where you can circle jerk with the rest of the closet Playstation fanboys. I suggest that you guys wear a back brace though--with all the goal post moving you've been doing lately.


RE: aha
By StevoLincolnite on 7/25/2013 9:24:40 AM , Rating: 4
quote:
4. that every xbox one has 50% less graphics power than teh PS4. that every xbox one has less memory bandwidth.


If you are so worried about the hardware and the graphics, why buy a console at all?

PC's have been superior in every single way for years.

Best framerates? = PC.
Best graphics? = PC.
Cheapest games? = PC.
Largest game Library? = PC
Highest Resolution (I.E. Not limited by that horrible 1920x1080 resolution)? = PC
Best controls? = PC

I sometimes wonder why consoles sell at all, Steam+Steam Big Picture mode and an Xbox controller can replace a console easily if you want to be on a couch.


RE: aha
By karimtemple on 7/25/13, Rating: -1
RE: aha
By Monkey's Uncle on 7/25/2013 10:01:39 AM , Rating: 2
You are comparing an orange (console) to a whole bowl of fruit (PC).

Did either poster mention anything about cost? No. Only hardware capability.

Can you track your budget, do your taxes or download a movie while playing that game on a $400 console? You can on a $400 PC. Can you play more than one game at a time on that $400 console? You can on the $400 PC. If you want to throw a bit more graphics processing power in you can also beat that console's capabilities while doing these things.

Consoles are specialized pieces of equipment. PCs are NOT. That you can get a PC to do the one thing a console specializes at even better. regardless of the additional hardware added in, should tell you that maybe consoles, even the PS4 or the One, are not the best platforms for gaming.


RE: aha
By karimtemple on 7/25/2013 10:26:34 AM , Rating: 1
Your argument is that consoles aren't the best platform for gaming (which is not what I said) because they only play games? lol.


RE: aha
By inighthawki on 7/25/2013 11:17:03 AM , Rating: 2
No you're missing his point. He is saying PC is a far superior gaming machine than a console at a higher cost, but for the same cost ($400) it can also do a lot of miscellaneous tasks that your console cannot that make it more worthwhile.

As far as gaming goes, PCs are lightyears ahead of consoles if you're willing to spend enough.


RE: aha
By Mitch101 on 7/25/2013 11:47:05 AM , Rating: 3
I agree one can live without a game console but you can hardly get by today without a PC. So its silly to compare the $400 price tag to a device dedicated specifically to gaming and a device dedicated to everything you need in general. That doesnt make the game console a bad deal there is a lot to say about game controls.


RE: aha
By Reclaimer77 on 7/25/2013 11:54:04 AM , Rating: 1
quote:
He is saying PC is a far superior gaming machine than a console at a higher cost, but for the same cost ($400)


Yeah and that's BS.

$400 will barely cover a decent video card. Let alone an entire PC specd for "gaming".

This convo is starting to get a bit silly...


RE: aha
By ClownPuncher on 7/25/2013 2:22:18 PM , Rating: 2
Er, a $400 video card will destroy games.


RE: aha
By Reclaimer77 on 7/25/2013 3:38:08 PM , Rating: 3
Not really. Depending on the games. Especially if you want a capped 60+ FPS at ALL TIMES NO MATTER WHAT, and highest settings.

Two $600 video cards will destroy games though.

Anyway my point still stands. Anyone telling you that you can build a "gaming PC" for $400 is lying. Straight out.


RE: aha
By ClownPuncher on 7/25/2013 5:37:43 PM , Rating: 2
If the PC in question will run 99% of games with higher settings than the console will, it isn't lying.

We both know you're much better off spending $800-1200, but it's simply not needed for anything but the absolutely most demanding titles on the market. Of which there are maybe 10.


RE: aha
By SPOOFE on 7/25/2013 5:49:15 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
If the PC in question will run 99% of games with higher settings than the console will

And if unicorns existed they'd beat the pants off those dastardly hobgoblins.


RE: aha
By nikon133 on 7/25/2013 6:05:15 PM , Rating: 2
First of, it will not be running 99% of games at all... because big chunk of the games will never appear on PC.

I really don't understand how can people keep ignoring this.

In addition... looking at gameplay demos for new Killzone, Titanfall, Destiny, The Division... I really doubt $400 PC will give comparable visual quality. In a few years, sure - but today? No way.

At the end, even some of the games from PS3/X360 are still unmatched. Not because PC cannot do better - but because noone bothered to make it happen. If someone likes to play hack'n' slash games like God of War, 3D platformers/shooters like Ratchet & Clank, action adventures like Uncharted... what are PC alternatives?

Personally, I have adopted "best of both worlds" mantra. I keep decent gaming PC that gets updated/replaced as required - not the highest high end, but reasonable. But I also keep PS3 (and planning to grab PS4 on release). They both get their exclusives, and multiplatform games I choose depending on number of factors, visuals being only one of them. Among the others are multiplayer/co-op features of games, and what will my mates be playing them on... things like that.


RE: aha
By bodar on 7/25/2013 8:06:40 PM , Rating: 2
There are usually SOME alternatives, but you're right: not every game is going to get a PC port. Maybe some people will be satisfied with the Tomb Raiders, Darksiders, and Assassin's Creeds that are ported to PC, but PC gaming isn't the solution for everyone.


RE: aha
By SlyNine on 7/26/2013 2:53:44 AM , Rating: 2
Big chunks of games wont appear on consoles either. Since that's the linchpin of your entire rant, you are invalidated.


RE: aha
By ClownPuncher on 7/26/2013 11:15:23 AM , Rating: 2
There are more PC exclusive games than there will ever be PS4/XB1 exclusive games.

I wasn't comparing a $400 PC to the PS4 and XB1. Why would I? Those consoles do not exist. Why would you compare hardware you can buy to hardware you can't?

Anyway, terrible arguments. They were bad and you should feel bad.


RE: aha
By Reclaimer77 on 7/26/2013 9:15:25 AM , Rating: 2
lol Ok please, just stop.

Do me a favor, go to Newegg or whatever site you prefer, and try to build me a complete "gaming PC" for around $400. You can't!

And no, you can't use a goddamned Core2 Duo for the CPU. Whoever suggested that is an idiot. That chip design is nearly ten years old! Where would you find a new in-box one anyway? There's none on Newegg, Amazon, not even Ebay.

If you have to use ten year old freaking used parts to bolster your argument, you didn't have one in the first place.


RE: aha
By Mitch101 on 7/27/2013 8:47:01 PM , Rating: 2
I can and I think I can do a better job on the 1TB hard drive for $70.00 especially since 3tb goes on sale for $99.00

AMD QUAD x640 $59.99 - On Sale
Case $20.00 AR - Sure its cheap
Power Supply $15.00 AR
8gb Ram $44.95 AR/Sale
Mobo 760G $30.00
1TB Hard Drive $70.00
Windows 8 $55.00 Recent Ebay/Spoofee deal Free 8.1 upgrade
Radeon 7790 $99.00 AR
Total $393.94

The 7790 is faster than the Radeon 6870.
I also think I can probably find a combo deal if I cared enough to look.


RE: aha
By inighthawki on 7/25/2013 3:45:01 PM , Rating: 2
A decently high end gaming rig thatll run most games at 60fps, 1080p, medium-high settings will probably run you about $1000, but will also have significantly more functionality than a console. This is what he was mainly getting at. Yes it will cost more, but you can go well above and beyond a console and also get way more out of a PC.


RE: aha
By karimtemple on 7/25/2013 4:10:56 PM , Rating: 2
This started because we got this:
quote:
PC's have been superior in every single way for years.

I sometimes wonder why consoles sell at all
To which I replied:
quote:
$400 consoles have always been better gaming devices than $400 PCs
To be fair to you, you might not have seen that as my reply has been downvoted to collapse, even though no one can name a $250 PC that can play PS3-quality games, or a $400 PC that can play what we expect to come from the PS3.

Therefore the mention of $1000 is already defeated. The answer to the question "Why buy a console?" was "It's a better gaming platform at its price point." Again, I play everything on my PC, so this isn't fanboyism. I was just answering a question.


RE: aha
By karimtemple on 7/25/2013 4:13:26 PM , Rating: 2
*what we expect to come from the PS4


RE: aha
By inighthawki on 7/25/2013 9:52:25 PM , Rating: 2
You are correct, I did not see that. I do agree with you, a $400 console is definitely a better gaming device than any $400 PC.


RE: aha
By SlyNine on 7/26/2013 2:55:46 AM , Rating: 2
So what you're really saying is that because you have to pay more for something that's better, it makes it not better?

So a Geo is as good as a Cadillac. Gotchya.


RE: aha
By karimtemple on 7/27/2013 9:36:37 PM , Rating: 2
That's exactly what I'm saying. This is not a world where money doesn't matter. If it didn't, everyone would play video games on the personal Tesla supercomputer clusters they have in their basements. So if you've got $250, PC is not better. If you've got $1000, PC is better.


RE: aha
By ReloadAO on 7/25/2013 10:04:14 AM , Rating: 2
Depends on a point of view. For pc you need more money from the start, but games?

Have you ever heard of a steam sale?
Have you ever heard of game modding? Skyrim, Fallout 3, Oblivion etc. http://www.nexusmods.com/

there is only one problem....not enough time!


RE: aha
By SPOOFE on 7/25/2013 5:50:32 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
Have you ever heard of a steam sale?

Yup. I didn't even buy anything during the last one.

quote:
Have you ever heard of game modding?

Yup. Outside of a few notable exceptions, most of them suck all the balls.


RE: aha
By SlyNine on 7/26/2013 2:56:48 AM , Rating: 2
Bullshit. Many of them are AAA titles.


RE: aha
By StevoLincolnite on 7/25/2013 10:06:56 AM , Rating: 2
You serious? If you want a $400 gaming PC, it really isn't that hard.

Go buy yourself a second hand Core 2 Quad or Phenom 2 x4 system second hand for $100-$200, whack in a $200 second hand graphics card, do a little overclocking and BANG you have a system that is more than capable of playing games at a measly 1080P which is a resolution superior to that of the current consoles where most games are 720P or lower.

Besides, you forgot to look at the long term costs of this "next generation" of consoles.
You have to pay for online, that's an added cost that's free on the PC.

PC games are generally $10-$20 cheaper than console games, that amount adds up massively over 10's of games, bought 100 games on a console? You could have saved $1,000 if you bought them on PC or *more* during a Steam sale.

Consoles look cheap, but they really aren't.

Don't forget the abundance of free-to-play games on the PC either.


RE: aha
By karimtemple on 7/25/2013 10:34:02 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Go buy yourself a second hand Core 2 Quad or Phenom 2 x4 system second hand for $100-$200, whack in a $200 second hand graphics card, do a little overclocking and BANG
Step 1: Amazon.com-ordered box arrives in the mail. Step 2: Plays video games.
quote:
Besides, you forgot to look at the long term costs of this "next generation" of consoles.
Great point. I hate this about Live (and now PSN!), which I why I don't have it. I game on my PC. But a point's a point, and the point is my PC did not cost $400, or come simple and ready-to-use.
quote:
PC games are generally $10-$20 cheaper than console games, that amount adds up massively over 10's of games, bought 100 games on a console? You could have saved $1,000 if you bought them on PC or *more* during a Steam sale.
Consoles are copying the crazy-sales model now, and will do it even moreso in the future. They're also getting more and more free-to-play.


RE: aha
By GulWestfale on 7/25/2013 10:00:54 AM , Rating: 2
i had an xbox 360 (sold recently), but i'm not planning on buying either the PS4 or the NSAbox one. i know PCs are more powerful; even my current old school phenom 975 blows the jaguar out of the water. i'm just saying the MS is now desperately trying to get some good PR for its inferior machine, and as far as i'm concerned, it's not working.


RE: aha
By Demonhitman on 7/25/2013 10:20:09 AM , Rating: 1
I don't think it's an inferior machine.


RE: aha
By GulWestfale on 7/25/2013 10:34:38 AM , Rating: 1
well compare the specs and the price then


RE: aha
By inighthawki on 7/25/2013 11:20:34 AM , Rating: 3
Theres more to compare than just specs.


RE: aha
By Demonhitman on 7/25/2013 11:24:59 AM , Rating: 1
for the price I think the x1 is better then ps4


RE: aha
By ClownPuncher on 7/25/2013 2:22:55 PM , Rating: 2
When?


RE: aha
By Reclaimer77 on 7/25/2013 10:27:23 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
PC's have been superior in every single way for years.


Well I wouldn't say "every" way. I'm a diehard PC gamer, I don't even own an Xbox 360. But I can see the appeal of the console for others.

The leading being ease of use. Let's be honest, PC gaming at times requires constant tweaking. For example I love the PC version of Dark Souls, it's consuming my life actually lol. But you have to install three third-party mods, and spend about an hour playing with settings, just to get it to run right and have proper graphics/resolutions on the PC! Oh and if you want to play it with a keyboard and mouse instead of a controller? Make that a fourth mod.

With a console you just throw the disk in and play.

However what's interesting is we're seeing a merging with PC hardware and the "console". Next gen consoles like the PS4 are essentially purpose-built gaming PC's.


RE: aha
By Breakfast Susej on 7/25/2013 12:10:22 PM , Rating: 2
In fairness, Dark souls is probably one of the most shoddy ramshackle console ports ever done. The developer has even come out and apologized and said they will do better next time.

With the architectural similarities of the PS4 and XBOX one, I have the hope that this will be an amazing time for gaming in general, as it will be so much more easy to develop for all three platforms at once. Certainly much more so than it was for this generation.

I prefer the PS4 over the one because you simply can't beat the specs and price difference, it's a huge factor. But really, I PC game as well and honestly I've been doing this since the early 90's, the state of "tweaking" you have to do these days on the PC is so laughably minuscule. 99% of games run just fine right off of steam.

I agree with the people saying that consoles have a hidden cost. I have a ps3, I own next to no games for it, just the really good must haves like Red Dead Redemption and Last of Us. Why? they are 60 bucks each. If I combined my PC gaming purchase habits with console games I'd spend five to ten times as much on games as I do by waiting for steam discounts.

Yeah my PC is pretty damn expensive compared to a console, but it's all relative, those console libraries of games people post pictures of are huge dollars.


RE: aha
By SlyNine on 7/26/2013 3:00:05 AM , Rating: 2
Starting off with a straw man fallacy is not a good way to form an argument..


RE: aha
By SlyNine on 7/26/2013 3:07:49 AM , Rating: 2
Tin man fallacy*


RE: aha
By nikon133 on 7/25/2013 5:39:54 PM , Rating: 2
Because in order to achieve all those PC "advantages" you have stated, you will have to spend much more money than what console would cost you.

Even to achieve same visual quality, you will have to spend more money.

And then, of course, majority of great titles never appear on PC. Yeah Uncharted 3 or Halo 4 or latest GoW (both "Gears..." and "God...") would look so much better on my PC, but guess what? They don't exist for PC?

Re graphics, I agree that console success historically did not depend on it's hardware power. I'm still a bit worried - when you think of it, there is hardly a gaming sufficient PC graphics card with DDR3; you simply need DDR5 card to get decent graphics performance. How well will MS manage to execute this, and how soon (or not) will multiplatform games start being inferior on X1? Running at lower native res, lower framerates, lower visual details... any or all of them? That will be interesting to observe.


RE: aha
By TakinYourPoints on 7/25/2013 9:10:56 PM , Rating: 2
Same reason you buy any platform, software.

I'm mainly a PC gaming guy but I get a console if there's a game on it I really want to play that I can't get anywhere else. The PS3 was 1000% worth it for The Last Of Us, plus it is still one of the best Blu Ray players out there. I'll be playing Pikmin 3 on the WiiU the day it comes out.

There's a lot of cross-platform games right now. Most recent console games have had excellent Windows ports and I play those from my PC to my HDTV instead of from my 360 or PS3. Its how I played Tomb Raider and Bioshock Infinite earlier this year, both much better than the console counterparts.

All that said, exclusives are going to keep me buying consoles. Its inevitable with the excellent stable of developers Sony and Nintendo have right now. Microsoft is in a tougher spot, given that they let go so many of the studios that they used to publish for (Bungie, Epic, etc).


RE: aha
By althaz on 7/25/2013 8:44:21 PM , Rating: 2
The Xbox One has 33% less graphics processing power (assuming identical clocks which we don't know, but can probably assume with a fair degree of safety). The PS4 has 50% more graphics power, which is quite a different thing.

The Kinect also doesn't spy on you (in fact the camera is not usually on). MS can't legally use it to record you and the NSA can't physically do so (there's no way to remotely activate the Kinect camera, even for Microsoft).

I will probably buy one (because Kinect 2 is frickin AWESOME) as well as a PS4 (not going to get a PS4 until there's a decent 3rd party controller out though, seriously Sony, controllers aren't that hard).

That said, I really don't understand the pricing - the PS4 is better from a traditional games perspective (because


RE: aha
By ReloadAO on 7/26/2013 7:08:07 AM , Rating: 2
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2013/03/rat-bre...

In MS case, they are developing drivers, software etc for x1... they can spy on you anytime!


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