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Image quality appears very good in sample shots

Nokia Oyj.'s (HEX:NOK1V) upcoming flagship phone will be officially unveiled Thursday.  Partner Microsoft Corp. (MSFT) may have blown the surprise, though, when Windows Phone manager Joe Belfiore posted photos dubbed "Lumia 1020" to his Flickr account.  The photo has since been removed, but the tag is still there lingering around.

Okay, so technically the blogosphere already new that Nokia's upcoming PureView camera phone was expected to be dubbed the Lumia 1020.  But as The Verge points out, the pictures do offer up some interesting new information.  

They indicate that the massive sensor will generally shoot in 2947 x 1658 resolution (nearly 5-megapixels) or 2352 x 1568 (3.7-megapixels), rather than the 41 megapixel resolution the original Symbian PureView phone (the Nokia 808) shot in.  Camera buffs will recognize this is a good thing, as pixel size is important to image quality.

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Joey Belfiore poses for a pic from the Lumia 1020 which he mentions on Flickr (whoops).
[Image Source: Joey Belfiore via Flickr via The Verge]

While it's unclear whether the Nokia shooter will include freeze-frame/stop-action rapid shooting like HTC Corp.'s (TPE:2498) One smartphone, it is expected to blow away both the One and Apple, Inc. (AAPL) iPhone 5 in image quality.

The Lumia 1020 is expected to pack a large bar-style xenon flash, which few smartphones have and have a 1/1.2" second-generation PureView sensor.  That sensor is bigger than most point and shoot cameras and several times the size of the sensor found in the iPhone 5 or One.  That huge sensor is coupled with Carl Zeiss optics to let in plenty of light.

The onboard camera is also expected to have Nokia's floating lens technology, which helps focus and color depth.  And reported it will add an adjustable aperture and manual shutter -- firsts for a smartphone.  Those improvements could put the super-shooter on level with high-end point and shoot cameras, albeit without the optical zoom.

Again the only gripes/unknowns are whether the camera app will be capable of automatic high-dynamic-range (HDR) imaging and whether stop-frame picture selection will be available.
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The Nokia "PureView" Lumia 1020 (click to enlarge) [Image Source: EVLeaks]

For those complaining about battery life on the Lumia, Nokia may have an answer -- it's reportedly prepping a special accessory for Thursday that doubles as an expansion battery, a camera grip, and a bit of protective casing for the device.  Sounds pretty clever.

Little is known about the hardware spec outside the speculation, although the phone is expected to have an OLED display (like the Lumia 925).  We'll have to wait till Thursday to find out about the rest of the spec.

Sources: Flickr, The Verge

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Not surprised here
By BRB29 on 7/8/2013 3:03:46 PM , Rating: -1
It's pretty clear 41MP was nothing more than a marketing trick for attention.

This camera would perform worlds better with 6-12 MP range. Not only that, it should be significantly faster since it has much less data to process and store. This thing may actually be able to put out decent RAW photos if they allow it.

RE: Not surprised here
By Labotomizer on 7/8/2013 3:13:19 PM , Rating: 5
Actually, the camera takes a 5MP image and the larger 41MP image (or perhaps 38MP, depending on the rumor) for every picture taken. The 5MP is processed using the info from the large image and allows for sharing on social networks. You know, like Flickr...

That means the picture you see there is the low res version, and it's still an amazing looking picture. Anyone who has seen the previous PureView phone in action knows that the 41MP is anything but just marketing gimmicks. But tell yourself whatever makes you feel better.

RE: Not surprised here
By BRB29 on 7/8/13, Rating: -1
RE: Not surprised here
By ipay on 7/8/2013 3:46:37 PM , Rating: 2
>but still not comparable to a real camera.

Thanks, captain obvious.

RE: Not surprised here
By drumsticks on 7/8/2013 3:49:51 PM , Rating: 2
Obviously you aren't getting DSLR or real camera levels in a 9mm phone. On the other hand, it will be significantly better than any other smartphone to date, while remaining at the same or better price than something like the iPhone.

RE: Not surprised here
By mi1400 on 7/9/2013 1:01:39 AM , Rating: 1
"accessory for Thursday that doubles as an expansion battery, a camera grip, and a bit of protective casing for the device. Sounds pretty clever."

Not clever at all to me... remeber when cameras were off bound for visa offices + and their other tom dickle harry office brothers... sonyericsson developed a clever mountable camera at bottom of phone.. removing camera from back of phone.

RE: Not surprised here
By Labotomizer on 7/8/2013 4:00:55 PM , Rating: 4
Hmmm, did I compare it to a high end camera? Nope. Did I even compare it to a quality P&S? Nope. But the fact of the matter is this will be $199 on contract, perhaps less given Nokia's track record on AT&T, and you will get a very high quality camera as part of the deal. It may not be a $400 P&S but for a large portion of the population, especially the population that is satisfied with the sale prices on a $150 Nikon P&S, it will be great. And it won't cost them the extra $150. And they won't have to carry a camera around with them too. And they won't have to fish out a camera when there's a reason to take a pic.

I have a really nice P&S camera that I take when I'm going to something where I know I'll take a lot of pictures. But 90% of my pictures are taken on my phone these days. And the majority of the population is the same.

You seem to have a very serious problem with this phone for some reason. It's completely illogical. There is a market for high quality cameras on phones. Will it take over pro photography? No, no danger of that...

RE: Not surprised here
By InsGadget on 7/8/2013 6:26:18 PM , Rating: 2
Spot on. This will be the best cameraphone when it comes out, AND it will be better than basically every P&S out there except for the RX100s. Well done Nokia.

RE: Not surprised here
By Reclaimer77 on 7/8/13, Rating: 0
RE: Not surprised here
By StevoLincolnite on 7/9/2013 12:55:26 AM , Rating: 3
And nobody will care.

Sadly, this is mostly true, Nokia goes relatively unnoticed these days with the average joe.

Yet, if Apple or Samsung were to do it, people will be hailing the great revolution!

RE: Not surprised here
By littlebitstrouds on 7/9/2013 4:25:40 AM , Rating: 5
I don't understand how Reclaimer77 isn't banned from these comment yet? He's been trolling them for years now...

RE: Not surprised here
By Reclaimer77 on 7/9/2013 2:47:48 PM , Rating: 2
How is this trolling?

Look, can we just be honest for a minute? Do you really think the camera on a smartphone is the determining factor for purchase? Come on, please. I would kill for some honesty here.

RE: Not surprised here
By crispbp04 on 7/9/2013 3:26:28 PM , Rating: 2
For many of us, the camera is the determining factor. I've taken over 1000 pictures already with my Lumia 928, and as soon as Verizon gets this I'll be upgrading. The 928 is phenomenal and I can't wait to see how much better this one is.

RE: Not surprised here
By Reclaimer77 on 7/9/2013 4:08:32 PM , Rating: 2
For many of us, the camera is the determining factor.

I understand that. And you know what? That's great! More power to you, I hold nothing against that.

RE: Not surprised here
By on 7/9/2013 4:16:14 AM , Rating: 2
No Danger yet, but some day. I would love to go to a wedding and photograph it on a phone!

RE: Not surprised here
By Mitch101 on 7/8/2013 4:06:01 PM , Rating: 2
Carrying a DLSR is like committing to being Flavor Flav for the day with the bulk of a DLSR hanging around my neck. Realistically I should have bought a 4/3. Im not going to take my DLSR everywhere but Im going to carry my phone with me at all times and there is nothing better than being able to pull out your phone and snap a high quality picture with it. It might not beat a DLSR but its damn good. I would say the Nokia 928 already beats every other camera phone out there and the Nokia 1020 will only widen the gap that much further. Im sure the audio and video recording will also destroy anything else out there. Check out the Nokia 808 Video/Audio.

So why not have the best possible portable camera in the world built into the phone since it goes everywhere and makes the perfect point and shoot camera. Sure its not a RAW DLSR but it doesn't weigh down my neck either.

RE: Not surprised here
By Mint on 7/8/2013 4:20:28 PM , Rating: 2
Maybe you should look at reviews done by real experts
Maybe you should take your own advice.

There isn't a single camera on the market as comfortable in the pocked as a Lumia 808 that comes even close to it's picture quality. Sony's RX100 is the only pocketable camera that's better, and it's 1.4" thick.

RE: Not surprised here
By UpSpin on 7/8/2013 5:25:10 PM , Rating: 2
If the RX100 is the only pocketable camera that's better than the Pureview then there has to be tons of cheaper cameras equal in quality.
The Sony RX100 is not only better, it's magnitudes better (f1.8 vs 2.4, 1" vs 1.2", real OIS vs. floating OIS, 6xoptical magnification vs digital magnification (would require 20MP*6x = 120MP), ...)

Only an idiot would compare both ...

RE: Not surprised here
By Mint on 7/8/2013 6:46:45 PM , Rating: 2
I'm not going to pretend that digital zoom is better than optical (FYI your calcs are wrong), but that only applies when you need it.

Otherwise the 808 will give you better image quality than almost every compact smaller than the RX100. None of them have a sensor bigger than 1/1.6". Very few have a lens faster than f/2.4.

Yes, I know that the RX100 blows away the 808, but it blows away other compacts even more, so no, there doesn't have to be other compacts equal in quality to the 808. Maybe the new Panny LF1 will get close.

RE: Not surprised here
By nikon133 on 7/8/2013 4:56:56 PM , Rating: 1
DPREVIEW.COM seem to disagree with you.

RE: Not surprised here
By BRB29 on 7/8/2013 10:30:38 PM , Rating: 2
did you actually read the review?

RE: Not surprised here
By drumsticks on 7/8/2013 10:45:15 PM , Rating: 2
Yes, did you?

Nokia didn't release the 808 PureView in the hope of making much of a dent in the smartphone market - the Symbian operating system is obsolete, and Nokia's future plans are focussed on Microsoft's Windows Phone OS. If you want an 808 in the USA, you'll have to pay full price ($699) since no carrier (to date) is subsidizing the hardware through contracts on this side of the Atlantic. But while the Nokia 808 might not be an iPhone or Samsung Galaxy killer, it is a fascinating and compelling product, and one that has added a definite shine to Nokia's reputation in the tech industry, which was looking a little tarnished, to say the least. The 808 proves that Nokia can innovate, and its PureView technology has piqued the interest of serious photographers, being one of the most important innovations - arguable the most important - in mobile photography since the smarphone era dawned five or so years ago. As such, the 808 is intriguing not just in itself, but because of what it represents. Things could be about to get interesting...

Qualms over symbian aside (which has nothing to do with the camera), and considering it got a gold award, I'd say it looked pretty darn good...

RE: Not surprised here
By BRB29 on 7/9/13, Rating: -1
RE: Not surprised here
By chripuck on 7/9/2013 11:25:21 AM , Rating: 3
You are so incredibly dense... here, I'll spell out his points in very simple English.

-The 808 or the 1020 is not as good as a good P&S.
-Most people do not carry around both a P&S and a smartphone.
-For a smartphone, this camera is truly spectacular.

He's not arguing whether it's a better phone than the competition, he's not arguing that it's a better camera than good P&S, Micro 4/3 or DSLRs, he's not arguing that it will sell well. You never even made those points, he was replying to your statement that the 41 MP was a gimmick, which it is not.

RE: Not surprised here
By CaedenV on 7/9/2013 1:24:36 PM , Rating: 2
I agree. Lets keep in mind that the 808 was built primarily as a pocket camera with phone capability. Meanwhile the 1020 looks to be a Lumia 920 with a nice camera added on. The Lumia 920 is a great phone already (it is what I use), and adding the 41MP camera to it seems like a nice addition. Comparing the phone features of the 1020 to the old 808 is silly. We are talking about different hardware, different operating system, and nearly 2 extra years of development. Rather let's compare the phone features to the 920 which has the exact same hardware and software, and only compare the camera to the 808 while keeping in mind that the 1020 should have a more mature sensor, possibly better lenses, and will definitely have OIS added which was sorely lacking in the 808.
I don't think that the 1020 brings enough to the table for me to replace my 8 month old 920, but the 41MP camera is hardly the gimmick I thought it was when I first heard about the 808. It will definitely be a requirement for my next phone, be it this Christmas, or next year when my contract expires.

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