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Sensor is an estimated 5x the size of the iPhone 5's, 1020 has adjustable aperture, manual shutter, xenon flash

Nokia Oyj.'s (HEX:NOK1V)) upcoming "PureView" Windows Phone -- reportedly to be branded the "Lumia 1020" -- has been the subject of several image leaks in recent months.  Now EVLeaks has offered up what may be the first images of the front face of the phone.

The fresh photos at first blush appear to show a standard Windows Phone 8 interface, but on closer inspection they appear to be running Nokia's "Amber" Windows Phone skin, which adds the Nokia Camera Pro (pictured) and FM Radio app (which wakes the dormant radio on various Nokia devices).  It also will reportedly allow users to double tap to wake their device.

The other significant feature in the front-face shot is the AT&T, Inc. (T) logo, which hints that this Windows Phone-friendly carrier may be the first landing spot of this super shooter.
Lumia 1020Nokia Lumia 1020
The Nokia "PureView" Lumia 1020 (click to enlarge) [Image Source: EVLeaks]

Here's a quick recap of the phone's specs:
  • 1/1.2", 41 megapixel image sensor (about 5x the surface area of the sensor in Apple, Inc.'s (AAPL) iPhone 5 (1/3.2") or 4x the HTC Corp. (TPE:2498) One (1/3") 

    Nokia PureView sensor Lumia 1020
    [Image Source: DP Review (left), ViziLeaks (right)]
     
  • Carl Zeiss optics with adjustable aperture (new) and floating lens tech for low-light
  • Mechanical shutter
  • Xenon flash
  • 1.5 GHz dual-core Snapdragon from Qualcomm, Inc. (QCOM) (possibly quad-core in some variants)
  • 4.5-inch, 768x1280 pixel OLED display, with ClearBlack and PureMotion HD+ overlays
  • 1 GB DRAM
  • 32 GB internal NAND flash storage
The phone is rumored to be unveiled July 11, which puts it head-to-head with Huawei Technologies Comp. (SHE:002502) Ascend P6, which launches a week later in London on June 18.  Until then, enjoy the fresh pic!

Source: EVLeaks on Twitter



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nice but nothing more
By UpSpin on 7/4/2013 4:33:35 PM , Rating: 1
1. Finally they add a Xenon flash back to smartphones. It's about time.
The camera will also be the best possible in a smartphone for one or two years. The sensor size is impressive, so the possibilities with such a high pixel count. No question: It's impressive and probably the reference for every future smartphone.
2. But the remaining specs are poor and ridiculous. A dual core in times of Quad and Octa-Cores, a 720p display in times of 1080p displays, only 1GB RAM on a smartphone which can shoot >30MP images. Before people try to defend Nokias stupid decisions: It's a flagship smartphone, it will most probably be priced simila to a Galaxy S4 or HTC One and yes, we all know that WP8 runs fine on a dual core with 1GB RAM, just as Windows 8 runs fine on a dual core with 1GB of RAM, but the programs (games, photoshop, intensive browser sessions) on top of it don't! The more power available the more freedom for app developers. And this smartphone seems to have hardware from two years ago, so also only expect apps similar to those on Android and iOS two years ago.

If the remaining specs are also up-to-date, then it might be really competive, no it's just a mediocre smartphone with an impressive camera.




RE: nice but nothing more
By BZDTemp on 7/4/2013 5:18:40 PM , Rating: 2
Exactly what programs is it that isn't running well on the hardware you say is from two years ago? Have you even tried how stuff works on one of those phones with "poor and ridiculous" specs?

To me it seems pretty silly to judge in the way you are as it seems based on speculation and nothing else.

I for one am pretty sure Nokia know what they are doing.


RE: nice but nothing more
By UpSpin on 7/5/2013 3:47:40 PM , Rating: 1
1. games: the faster the SoC and the more RAM available, the better the games.
2. this thing shoots >30MP which needs lots of processing power especially for live- and post-processing. You pobably want to edit and manipulate them on the smartphone, create slide shows, ... do stuff you can with HTC Zoe, and so on. The larger the image, the more RAM and the more processing power you need. Maybe apps will capture live views Of course it's possible with a dual core and 1GB, but it would be magnitudes better with 2GB and a quad core.
3. You can easily fill the ram with heavy browsing sessions and other apps in the backgrund running.
4. Those aren't speculations, because it affects every operating system. It's a physical fact: The more ram and the faster the SoC, the faster and more versatile the smartphone becomes and the possibilities with it.
To me it seems pretty silly to justify two years old specs on a flag-ship smartphone.
With such poor specs it can't get compared to the HTC One or Galaxy S4 but more to the Galaxy S4 zoom, which might be the better choice thanks to the optical zoom. However, both will be niche devices, nothing which helps Nokia and WP8 to gain significant market share.

I'm an Android user. I really would like a smartphone with this camera, but even with Android on it, I wouldn't buy it, because of the disappointing remaining specs. So my criticism has nothing to do with WP8, but only with Nokia.


RE: nice but nothing more
By OoklaTheMok on 7/6/2013 1:53:15 PM , Rating: 5
How can you tell someone is an Android user? They'll tell you... :)

Please keep in mind that Windows Phone is a more advanced OS than Android. It simply runs better on fewer resources, and makes more resources available for the foreground application by better management of background applications.

Lastly, throwing more cores should be the last resort to elevate performance because of the ramifications that come with it, such as more power consumption and providing more headroom for sloppily written apps to perform better only on high performance devices, versus the mid-grade devices.


RE: nice but nothing more
By mattraimy on 7/13/2013 7:14:59 PM , Rating: 2
Here you'll find a fully & completely in-depth review of Nokia Lumia 1020 @

http://t.co/5MM5GrZZXP

It's more than a 41 mp camera! just look @ this website to know about this amazing smartphone! Forget about big & heavy cameras on vacations!

http://t.co/bnoIT1wj7R


RE: nice but nothing more
By nikon133 on 7/4/2013 5:32:24 PM , Rating: 3
Not quite.

Putting top hardware (1080p, 4 or 8c SoC...) together with this sort of camera would drive device's price well above competition, and lock it into niche segment. With bulgy 20+ MP camera at the back, it already is niche, but pushing hardware envelope further and ending up with price significantly above competing phones would make it uberniche, something that many admires but nobody buys.

That being said. My RX100 camera has effectively VGA resolution on 3" screen. Mind you, it looks absolutely great, so I'm pretty sure 720p screen will serve camera with ~5" screen just fine.

Device must have dedicated image processing engine (which adds to the price), so it does make sense keeping phone SoC price down. Dual core has proven to work well with WP8. I don't even think that there is much software for WP, including games, that would really take advantage of 4C or 8C.

I won't be surprise if in near future Nokia releases high-end phone with more standard 8-12MP camera, 1080p screen, more powerful SoC and slim - and in line with competition price wise, but I don't think this will be THAT phone.


RE: nice but nothing more
By UpSpin on 7/5/13, Rating: 0
RE: nice but nothing more
By thesavvymage on 7/4/13, Rating: 0
RE: nice but nothing more
By datdamonfoo on 7/5/2013 8:06:31 AM , Rating: 2
This is wrong. Windows Phone 8 supports up to 64 cores.


RE: nice but nothing more
By Wererat on 7/5/2013 10:24:53 AM , Rating: 2
The other wrong part; WP does support 1920x1080 rez (try searching DT itself or any number of other sites for news on Visual Studio updates for 1080p Windows phones)


RE: nice but nothing more
By BaronMatrix on 7/5/2013 4:04:11 PM , Rating: 3
I have a 1280x720 HTC 8X and it's just right for Landscape on web sites... 1080p may make the text too small at 4.3"...

And I can't really see intense gaming on my phone...


RE: nice but nothing more
By UpSpin on 7/6/2013 3:26:54 AM , Rating: 2
1080p doesn't make the text any smaller, the text gets scaled! It gets sharper. The same with images.

Does the text on the Google Chromebook look smaller than on other devices? No.
Does the text on the Macbook Pro with Retina display look smaller than on older Macbooks? No.
Do modern games played at 1080p have smaller characters and textures than the game played at 720p? No. The edges get smoother, the quality better. The size remains unchanged, because it scales.
(yes, Windows and most programs running on top of it doesn't support it, but WP8 should, just as iOS, Android, Mac OS does)

See the section Density independence:
http://developer.android.com/guide/practices/scree...

You don't only need a fast GPU for games, for example Maps with a 3D view also require a high end GPU.


RE: nice but nothing more
By p05esto on 7/6/2013 10:06:40 PM , Rating: 2
The specs mean NOTHING. Windows Phone is very lean and mean. I can have my huge screen Lumina 928 on all day almost and still have battery left. Granted it depends on what I'm doing. The OS is smooth and everything runs fast.

You can't compare bloatware Android to Windows Phone. You need half the hardware for Windows. Try it, you'll see. WP8 is very nice (Win8 on desktop, not at all!)


.
By sprockkets on 7/4/2013 11:52:49 AM , Rating: 2
Sure, the sensor is larger than the HTC one, but the density is 10 times it too, and it isn't 10 times as large. The aperture part is the most interesting bit.

It will be a good smartphone camera.




RE: .
By Tony Swash on 7/4/2013 1:11:05 PM , Rating: 1
What I want are real RAW files, high dynamic range and good quality low light (high ISO) performance.


RE: .
By Mint on 7/4/2013 2:37:29 PM , Rating: 2
I think HTC's "ultrapixels" are overrated. There's little proof that pixel binning on a 8 or 13 MP sensor is any worse in collecting light.

When you have good light, HTC's approach indisputably gives you worse detail. Smartphones don't have room for optical zoom, so resolution is important when you want to crop.

The aperture will give you a little extra creative control, but the combination of resolution and sensor size is still the primary strength of this camera.


RE: .
By SPOOFE on 7/4/2013 5:29:42 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Smartphones don't have room for optical zoom, so resolution is important when you want to crop.

Meh, cropping runs you up against diffraction anyway. Blurry due to low pixel count isn't that different than blurry due to tiny optics at the limit of physics.


RE: .
By Mint on 7/4/2013 8:03:23 PM , Rating: 2
The diffraction limit for f/2.0 lenses isn't bad enough to require 2 micron pixels. The spot size should be lambda/0.49, or 1.1 microns for green light. In a 13MP sensor, the green sites are 1.6 microns apart, while blue and red are 2.2 microns apart.

Photos bear this out. The HTC One captures notably less detail than the 8MP and 13MP shooters in good light.


RE: .
By SPOOFE on 7/5/2013 3:27:12 AM , Rating: 1
Oh, I don't know anything special about either camera's phone, I just try to discourage significant cropping in general, on any camera, with any lens.

Dunno whatsis all about microns and lambda complexes and such.


great
By The Imir of Groofunkistan on 7/4/2013 11:29:59 AM , Rating: 2
That's great, but what I want is a battery that will last well longer than 9-11 hours.




RE: great
By damianrobertjones on 7/4/2013 12:05:04 PM , Rating: 2
Well.

Looks like you might be stuck with standard phones for awhile then :(

Well.


Pureview
By foxp3 on 7/4/2013 2:42:34 PM , Rating: 2
not for me
By GulWestfale on 7/4/13, Rating: -1
RE: not for me
By damianrobertjones on 7/4/2013 12:06:10 PM , Rating: 3
I have a feeling that you might want to read a few reviews of the older phone that had this camera... .


RE: not for me
By GulWestfale on 7/4/13, Rating: -1
RE: not for me
By JCheng on 7/4/2013 1:31:30 PM , Rating: 2
What cheap point and shoot has a sensor larger than 1/1.2"? Even the high end Canon G15 doesn't have a sensor that big.


RE: not for me
By BZDTemp on 7/4/2013 2:08:58 PM , Rating: 2
So even though it was suggested to you to read up on what the camera tech that Nokia is bringing you're insisting om just repeating your uninformed views. Amazing.

I'm not saying that physics does not matter or that having a zoom lens is without value, but seriously do your self and everyone else a favor and acquire some knowledge rather than just putting out noise.

Oh, and just for the record the best camera ever is the one you have in your hand when needed.


RE: not for me
By Mint on 7/4/2013 2:19:00 PM , Rating: 3
Why don't you do a modicum of research before posting all this nonsense?

First of all, Nokia's sensor is 1/1.2", which is very large. Cheap P&S cameras have 1/2.3" or 1/2.5" sensors with ~1/4 the area. Even with 2x digital zoom you'll get as good or better quality with Nokia's phone.

Secondly, there are a whole bunch of reviews out there that show the Nokia 808 having much better quality than point and shoot cameras, so you're dead wrong in your first sentence.

Finally, the best camera is the one you have with you. Not everyone wants to carry a phone and a camera everywhere they go, yet the desire to take photos can arise at any time. That's why phones have cameras on them.

So you should really be comparing to cell phone cameras, which have 1/3.2" sensors and thus 1/7th the sensor area.


RE: not for me
By BRB29 on 7/5/2013 8:19:29 AM , Rating: 1
quote:
First of all, Nokia's sensor is 1/1.2", which is very large. Cheap P&S cameras have 1/2.3" or 1/2.5" sensors with ~1/4 the area. Even with 2x digital zoom you'll get as good or better quality with Nokia's phone.

And it is limited by its lens size. Going compact will cost more money and some IQ.

quote:
Secondly, there are a whole bunch of reviews out there that show the Nokia 808 having much better quality than point and shoot cameras, so you're dead wrong in your first sentence.

Yes it is. But which one are you comparing to? There's a lot more junk P&S than there are real compacts like an RX100. If you paid attention, the industry as a whole likes to pump out cheap P&S more than quality ones. Only a few key players actually put out good P&S. So saying it is better than a cheap camera is not saying much.

Price
IQ
Size
(note: it's still hard to overcome the limitations of physics so size reduction only gets so far)

You can only pick 2 at most. This phone will probably be expensive and the rest of its hardware doesn't look that impressive.

When Nokia is confident enough to allow RAW, then that's when people can take phone cameras seriously. But this camera is an excellent replacement to carrying around a P&S. At the same time, a person that doesn't take a lot of pictures will find this unappealing because of its extra bulk and price.

41MP is overkill and mostly for marketing. Even full frames and DSLR don't get that high for a reason. I wouldn't want 41MP anyways even in full frame because of the huge amount of data needed and we're limited by the speed of memory cards. All that extra unnecessary data will kill battery life in processing on a smartphone application too. This phone, like all other smartphone cameras, will have heavy post processing for NR.


RE: not for me
By Mint on 7/9/2013 1:17:05 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
And it is limited by its lens size.
No it's not. It's f/2.4. Name any P&S thinner than an inch with a bigger aperture than that, and then note that they aren't smartphones so you need to carry it alonside your smartphone.
quote:
There's a lot more junk P&S than there are real compacts like an RX100. If you paid attention, the industry as a whole likes to pump out cheap P&S more than quality ones.
Well yeah, because not everyone wants to pay $650 for a camera, nor do they have room for another 1.4" thick device to put in their pocket.

quote:
41MP is overkill and mostly for marketing.
No it's not. Phones don't have room for optical zoom (Samsung's Galaxy S4 Zoom is thick), so with 41 MPix you can do 2-3x digital zoom and still get a decent picture. It's a very useful feature.

You should also note that a 16MP sensor only has 4MP of red and blue sensor sites (look up what a Bayer filter is). Whether you use in camera processing or RAW, software has to make an educated guess about the color of each pixel based on info from neighboring pixels.

A 41MP sensor means you can get a 10MP image with true color data for each pixel. Speaking of which, the image processor can downsample to whatever size you want if memory size or write speed is a problem.

In summary, stop being so myopic.


RE: not for me
By nikon133 on 7/4/2013 6:06:08 PM , Rating: 2
http://www.dpreview.com/articles/8083837371/review...

If you can't be bothered to read all, check sample gallery and review conclusions.

This camera IS good, actually better than most pocket cameras. Save - maybe! - for new small cameras with large sensors, like Sony RX100 and Nikon 1 systems.

Zoom adds to versatility but not to IQ. Check new big sensor "pocket" cameras with prime lens, like Sony RX1. Absolutely amazing IQ.

As already said, sensor is larger than most small cameras - again, beside cameras with new 1" sensor. Having decent experience with RX100, I can tell you this: while RX100 has more noise in 20MP RAW images than my D70 dSLR native 6MP RAWs, it also has more than 3x pixels. Down-sampling 20MP RAWs to same resolution as D70 (6MP), without applying any additional noise reduction, I am getting arguably better looking JPGs than from my D70 RAWs convert to JPGs (both conversions done in Lightroom).

So basically, while I expect this phone images on full resolution to be soft and noisy, downsampled to reasonable 8-12MP (and maybe some more above) will provide amazing results.


RE: not for me
By Flunk on 7/4/13, Rating: -1
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