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Shakeup will consolidate previously separate units, reportedly

A report by Bloomberg cites sources at Microsoft Corp. (MSFT) as saying that Chief Executive Steve Ballmer's leadership change will start be consolidating all of Microsoft's hardware products -- including Surface and Xbox -- under a single new unit, which would be headed by Windows chief Julie Larson-Green.

The Xbox unit (formally the interactive entertainment division) had been left leaderless after Don Mattrick, its former chief, jumped ship to become CEO of Zynga Inc. (ZNGA).  Some reports suggested Mr. Mattrick was fired for making comments about digital rights management (DRM) and the Xbox One.  In an interview Mr. Mattrick had told gamers who didn't have 100 percent reliable internet to not buy an Xbox One, a suggestion many disgruntled gamers took to heart.  Microsoft eventually backed down from that policy.

Microsoft's CIO Tony Scott also recently bailed, prior to the upcoming shakeup.

It is unclear whether Mr. Ballmer would then appoint a new Windows President, or if Ms. Larson-Green would fill both slots.  One source says that Terry Myerson -- the current Windows Phone chief -- will likely be put in charge of all operating system development, including desktop Windows.  That move would likely mean a continuation of Microsoft's "Metro" (aka Modern UI) assault on the desktop/laptop market, much to the chagrin of critics of that design direction.

Terry Myerson
Windows Phone chief Terry Myerson will report lead all OS development at Microsoft.
[Image Source: Reuters]

Marketing for various units (Windows, server, hardware, etc.) would also be consolidated into a single unit, which would be headed by Tami Reller, who currently is marketing chief for just the Windows unit.  Another shift from a financial perspective would be that the chief financial officers (CFOs) of the new units would report directly to company CFO -- Amy Hood -- versus the current situation the CFOs the present units report to their unit chief.

Julie Larson-Green
Julie Larson-Green will reportedly manage all Microsoft HW development. [Image Source: AP]

A final new unit would be tasked with managing acquired/merged-in businesses and with wooing developers.  That unit will be headed by Skype president Tony Bates.

Sources say the exact roles are still being finalized and may be shuffled before an official announcement comes.  Overall the changes are designed to reposition Microsoft as a "devices and services" firm, Microsoft's long term vision.  The shift towards first party hardware and cloud services would make Microsoft look a lot more like Apple, Inc. (AAPL), a radical shift for a company that started off with a narrow focus on software.

Source: Bloomberg



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RE: the hate here
By greenchinesepuck on 7/3/2013 6:42:20 PM , Rating: -1
LOL I love the moaning of MS-DOS oldfags too, enjoying my brand new Vaio Pro 13 with W8 very much thank you, the lightest 13"er on the planet. Reclaimer and other oldfags can go suck it.


RE: the hate here
By Cheesew1z69 on 7/3/2013 6:48:12 PM , Rating: 2
Oh looks, Pirks is back under a new name...


RE: the hate here
By retrospooty on 7/3/2013 7:26:23 PM , Rating: 3
Great... Nice laptop. Too bad it sucks on non-touch screens, especially those over 24 inches.


RE: the hate here
By greenchinesepuck on 7/3/13, Rating: -1
RE: the hate here
By Cheesew1z69 on 7/3/2013 7:54:42 PM , Rating: 3
Hopefully, this account with any luck, will be banned as well.


RE: the hate here
By greenchinesepuck on 7/3/13, Rating: -1
RE: the hate here
By Reclaimer77 on 7/3/2013 8:48:38 PM , Rating: 3
Lol he was? How did I miss that!?


RE: the hate here
By Cheesew1z69 on 7/3/2013 8:56:16 PM , Rating: 1
I believe so, he is posting under a new account so I would assume he was :)

And it's funny, because all it took was one post of his to show it was him, he is the ONLY one who uses "oldfag"... and then his response to me, sealed it. No doubt it's him.


RE: the hate here
By Samus on 7/4/2013 12:17:39 AM , Rating: 2
I wonder if he'll regret all the time he wasted in his life posting all the crap, all the hate here on DT, when he lies on his deathbed...

What a waste.


RE: the hate here
By Cheesew1z69 on 7/4/2013 7:52:32 AM , Rating: 1
No way, he'll think "i sure pwned those oldfags!"


RE: the hate here
By cyberguyz on 7/4/2013 8:00:37 AM , Rating: 1
lolz. oldfags ftw!


RE: the hate here
By mcnabney on 7/4/2013 12:31:51 PM , Rating: 4
They need to board-up 4Chan so the freaks can't get out and bother the rest of the internet.


RE: the hate here
By althaz on 7/3/2013 8:23:33 PM , Rating: 2
I would like to agree with you simpy because Pirks MkII is disagreeing with you, but you are, unfortunately, wrong.

Windows 8 is BETTER than Win7 on desktops, especially for multi-screen users.

Metro Apps are not better of course, but thankfully they are 100% optional.


RE: the hate here
By Reclaimer77 on 7/3/2013 9:25:48 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
Windows 8 is BETTER than Win7 on desktops


Maybe on the planet you live in...

Seriously that's such an insane statement it cannot even be quantified. Windows 7 is the quintessential desktop experience in the Windows world, there's nothing else even close. Sure as hell isn't Windows 8.

The only way your statement even comes close is if you're talking a touchscreen monitor paired with a Windows 8 PC. Even then that's such a tiny minority of the market, it can't be used to back your opinion.


RE: the hate here
By althaz on 7/3/2013 10:00:48 PM , Rating: 2
Care to elaborate on how Win7 isn't worse than Win8 on the desktop?

You don't think improvements to libraries, cloud backup and significant speed improvements are worth having? You don't like the "Up" button in File Explorer? Or is it the improvements to multi-monitor support you don't like? Maybe you hate the improved class drivers? Or perhaps the storage pool options seem like a waste of time to you? Does the dramatically improved start-up speed rub you the wrong way, or is it instead the new backup features that don't sit well with you?

The only other difference to the desktop experience is a vastly improved app-launcher which allows the use of muscle-memory to launch apps, as well as the traditional search-based option (you do lose the completely useless, slow and antiquated hierarchical menu, but that is actually a very good thing).


RE: the hate here
By StevoLincolnite on 7/3/2013 10:36:02 PM , Rating: 4
quote:
significant speed improvements are worth having?


The speed improvements aren't noticeable on a decently equipped PC.
I'm running a Core i7 3930K @ 4.8ghz, 32Gb of ram and a couple of SSD's in Raid 0, I noticed zero difference, but that's to be expected.

However, throw Windows 8 on a Netbook or low-end Laptop with a slow 5400rpm HDD and the difference becomes more pronounced.

Personally, I went back to Windows 7, Windows 8 isn't for me.


RE: the hate here
By althaz on 7/3/2013 11:25:51 PM , Rating: 2
I'm running a similarly specced PC (4.5Ghz Ivy Bridge, 16Gb RAM, 240Gb Intel 520 SSD) and the performance difference is definitely noticable to me.

Of course the difference is more pronounced the crapier your hardware, but if you didn't notice any improvements, I suspect it's because you didn't spend much time switching back and forth (I had a near identical machine that felt a bit sluggish by comparison under Win7) or you used the Previews (all of which ran like crap compared to RTM).


RE: the hate here
By Reclaimer77 on 7/3/2013 11:30:37 PM , Rating: 2
lol I love how he brings up these under the hood changes while we have the huge gnarled cock of Metro beating us over the head...


RE: the hate here
By althaz on 7/4/2013 12:01:50 AM , Rating: 4
I love how I listed virtually every change to the desktop experience in Win8 and you failed to point out anything bad with any of them.

Metro is an optional extra with Win8. If you don't like Metro apps, don't use them (I don't).

If you mean the start screen, I'm yet to hear a compelling argument for it not being a MASSIVE improvement on the positivly antique start menu - which was vitually useless as an app launcher. If for some reason you hate change, the start menu can be brought back in Windows 8 with any of several apps (most of them free).


RE: the hate here
By Reclaimer77 on 7/4/2013 1:28:17 AM , Rating: 1
Nothing is "bad" about those changes at all. They don't have to be "bad" for my argument to have merit.

They just aren't good ENOUGH to warrant switching to Windows 8.

As far as your "app launcher" nonsense, my goodness. A desktop PC isn't a mobile device. I sure as hell don't need a full screen "environment" to take over my desktop in Windows 7 just to run programs.

quote:
I'm yet to hear a compelling argument for it not being a MASSIVE improvement on the positivly antique start menu


Then you either haven't been listening, or have just dismissed these arguments out of hand. I'm getting really tired of people like you claiming "nobody" has made good arguments, when there's an entire Internet full of them out there. Just because you don't agree, doesn't mean they are not compelling.


RE: the hate here
By djcameron on 7/4/2013 1:57:20 AM , Rating: 2
I don't really like the metro apps, so I don't use them. However, after about a week learning the new interface and keyboard commands, I'm far more productive with Windows 8.


RE: the hate here
By mackx on 7/4/2013 2:36:14 AM , Rating: 2
the point is in the end we decide how much use these features are to us based on our own usage of our PCs

i hardly ever reboot so the boot up time is not a feature to me.
i despise the start screen
i dont use metro apps and removed the folder
i find it worse in multi screen use
i find that i cant right click on a folder anymore and hit 'r' to bring up properties. i can't click file and hit n to create a new folder anymore.

changes that don't benefit me in anyway. takes more clicks to do what i wanted to do in the 1st place. there's more but i can't remember them

the only benefit in win8 for me is the performance tab in task manager (cancelled out that to end a process tree takes more clicks now) and the fact i can pause a copy/move.

microsofts AV is less integrated oddly since i can't right click on a folder and scan - no context menu addin. it doesn't auto update like the old one. i have to run windows update manually to install it.

etc etc etc.

you may like it, a lot of us don't.


RE: the hate here
By bigboxes on 7/4/2013 8:13:51 AM , Rating: 2
Agreed. I reboot about once a month. Other than that, my pc stays on all the time, as does my file server. There's absolutely no reason to put Win8 on any of my PCs. It's just like WinME. As soon as I tried it out I was like "Oh crap! Can I get this thing off and get things back to the way they were??" Microsoft just seems doomed to repeat its mistakes.


RE: the hate here
By althaz on 7/4/2013 7:57:26 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
i find it worse in multi screen use

This actually doesn't make sense, everything to do with multi-screen displays is worse, unless you don't like the new default options (which are configurable).

quote:
i find that i cant right click on a folder anymore and hit 'r' to bring up properties.

This still works...you obviously haven't tried it.

quote:
i can't click file and hit n to create a new folder anymore.

This doesn't work in Windows 7 either...I know because I'm on Win7 right now and I just tried it.


RE: the hate here
By althaz on 7/4/2013 8:21:39 PM , Rating: 2
lol, I wrote "worse", but I obviously meant "better". Damn you DailyTech, still no edit function?


RE: the hate here
By althaz on 7/4/2013 7:57:30 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
i find it worse in multi screen use

This actually doesn't make sense, everything to do with multi-screen displays is worse, unless you don't like the new default options (which are configurable).

quote:
i find that i cant right click on a folder anymore and hit 'r' to bring up properties.

This still works...you obviously haven't tried it.

quote:
i can't click file and hit n to create a new folder anymore.

This doesn't work in Windows 7 either...I know because I'm on Win7 right now and I just tried it.


RE: the hate here
By LazLong on 7/4/2013 9:54:37 AM , Rating: 1
quote:
by althaz on July 4, 2013 at 12:01 AM

Metro is an optional extra with Win8. If you don't like Metro apps, don't use them (I don't).


How is Metro an optional extra? It's where you get dumped when you log in. And don't get me started on the Metro Start Screen. Gone is a hierarchical structure. All of the app shortcuts get dumped all over it like a file manager with explosive diarrhea.

I may be an 'oldfag' 'cause I started my computer use on a ][+, but I've had experience using several different CLI- and GUI-based interfaces. This isn't the first time I've had to learn a new interface paradigm. But 8's half-baked, neither here nor there abortion of an interface is the worst piece of shit I can ever recall using. Releasing something that is so radical of a change, without having all of the OS apps moved to it was a very big mistake. Inconsistency is the only constant, and users are totally lost when put in front of an 8 desktop. Computer enthusiasts may be willing to stumble around trying to figure out how to use this pile of dung, but most people just want to get stuff done with a minimal amount of hoops to jump through between them and the completion of their task.


RE: the hate here
By InsGadget on 7/5/2013 9:00:13 AM , Rating: 2
Good lord you are the king of hyperbole. You need to learn that your opinions (yes, they ARE opinions) aren't the end-all/be-all of the universe.

Win8 IS better than Win7 on the desktop. Been using it for months, love it. The Modern Start screen matters about as much as the old Start menu does--not very freaking much at all.

Seriously need to get over yourself ...


RE: the hate here
By Scannall on 7/3/2013 10:02:41 PM , Rating: 2
I think you forgot the /s tag. I know some people out there actually like windows 8. And if you do, great. I'm not one of them.

With 2 2560x1440 monitors on my desk, Win 8 is a failure. Hated it on my laptop as well.


RE: the hate here
By greenchinesepuck on 7/3/2013 10:21:55 PM , Rating: 1
Two 1920x1080 monitors on my desk and Win8 works like a charm on both. Feel sorry for you.


RE: the hate here
By djcameron on 7/4/2013 1:59:49 AM , Rating: 2
I have two 24 inch, and a 20 inch on my desktop and Windows 8 works great.


RE: the hate here
By cyberguyz on 7/4/2013 8:04:47 AM , Rating: 2
I have a single 2560x1440 and Win8 works great ....

... on a phone.

For my desktop it sucked donkey turds.


RE: the hate here
By Flunk on 7/4/2013 9:49:49 AM , Rating: 2
I like how you can have the taskbar on multiple screens on Windows 8, maybe you just didn't try some of the new features.


RE: the hate here
By LazLong on 7/4/2013 9:21:47 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
by althaz on July 3, 2013 at 8:23 PM

Windows 8 is BETTER than Win7 on desktops, especially for multi-screen users.


Could you elaborate how it is better in multi-screen environments? I'm it with two 24" displays and I haven't noticed its awesomeness. Right off I was annoyed that the taskbar was duplicated across both displays.


RE: the hate here
By althaz on 7/4/2013 7:54:06 PM , Rating: 2
Taskbar on both displays is a) Totally frickin sweet and b) entirely optional. Multiple-resolution setups are also handled better, the afore mentioned taskbar on both screens is a godsend(finally! but optional for the crazy people like you who don't want it for some reason).

I also like that the start screen and search are usable on both screens, also multiple desktop wallpapers (as in different ones on each screen), etc.


RE: the hate here
By InsGadget on 7/5/2013 9:04:15 AM , Rating: 2
Right-click on the taskbar and click on Properties. Options are your friend. :)


RE: the hate here
By WinstonSmith on 7/4/2013 9:29:58 AM , Rating: 2
"Microsoft to Put Windows Phone Chief in Charge of All OS Development"

Well, that's entirely appropriate since Win8 is a smartphone OS created and forced upon users in their dominant segment, the desktop, because Microsoft either begins to compete in the fastest growing computing segment, mobile, or they'll become irrelevant at some point in the not too distant future. A common UI across desktop and mobile is their goal and desktop users suffer because of it.

And for a small introduction to why Win8 (actually Tiles v1.0) sucks, Google the keywords "usability experts win8" without the quotes.


RE: the hate here
By retrospooty on 7/4/2013 2:16:34 PM , Rating: 2
"Windows 8 is BETTER than Win7 on desktops, especially for multi-screen users."

I am going to go out on a limb here and say that you don't multitask much.

Things that makes W8 suck.

- The Start screen is full screen, and no way to turn it off
- The Start screen icons are far too large to fit enough apps
- The Start screen takes your focus away from your other windows, kind of killing the whole point of the once aptly named "WINDOWS"
- The Start screen cant embed folders , it can only do one shortcut at a time.

Notice a theme here? Its ALL start screen. The rest of 8 is great. It just doesn't work well with large screen/non-touch screen devices. I use W8 at home, and its fine. At work, I multitask alot. I have TONS of things going on at once and it makes me soooo much less productive I cant stand it. A great OS for touchscreen tablets. OK for light use home desktops... Awful for large and heavy multitaskers.

The shame of it is it was done on purpose. The start menu WAS there on the W8 developer preview and they purposely removed it for the official release. Nice move Ex-LAx. Now 1/2 of your customers hate it. It was already the best of both, then you took out the 1/2.


RE: the hate here
By althaz on 7/4/2013 9:46:59 PM , Rating: 1
quote:

- The Start screen is full screen, and no way to turn it off
- The Start screen icons are far too large to fit enough apps
- The Start screen takes your focus away from your other windows, kind of killing the whole point of the once aptly named "WINDOWS"
- The Start screen cant embed folders , it can only do one shortcut at a time.


- The Start screen being full screen is GOOD, surely? It makes it a lot more useful, displaying a lot more information and giving you quick access to a lot more programs than the start menu, without interupting your workflow like going to your desktop does.
- You can fit a LOT more apps than you can on the start menu...
- Not sure if this argument makes any sense at all, tbh?
- This is a very GOOD thing - if it's buried in a folder it's effectively impossible to intuit its location, plus it's extra clicks, meaning you should either a) Move it to the start screen (if you use it often enough) or b) Use search to get to it.


RE: the hate here
By retrospooty on 7/4/2013 10:25:25 PM , Rating: 2
"giving you quick access to a lot more programs than the start menu"
No. It gives you less. If you have everything on the start menu on the start screen, you would have to scroll 4-5 screens over to the right if not more. The old menu gives it all on one screen, not needing to scroll to get everything.

"without interrupting your workflow like going to your desktop does"
What? It totally interrupts my workflow. I am on the screen, need to start a new app, and now I am on a totally different fullscreen menu- totally interrupting my workflow.

- You can fit a LOT more apps than you can on the start menu...
Not even close. Way less, unless you want to scroll over to the right several pages. Even less efficient - although with 8.1 you can make them much smaller so its better in 8.1.

"Not sure if this argument makes any sense at all"

I am not sure if you have even seen Windows 8. I cant see any way you would think anything you just said. IF you say you like it better, I believe you. If you say its more efficient for you, I believe you and am glad you are happy with it, but you cannot possibly say it gives you "quick access to a lot more programs" or "without interrupting your workflow"

It just doesn't work for me at work. I do way too many things as a system admin. Too many remote desktop sessions to servers and various software I am running and troubleshooting at any given moment. Like I said, I use it at home, but its not good enough at work. HUGE loss in efficiency if you multitask heavily. At home I dont, and it works fine.


RE: the hate here
By Xplorer4x4 on 7/5/2013 12:59:43 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
What? It totally interrupts my workflow. I am on the screen, need to start a new app, and now I am on a totally different fullscreen menu- totally interrupting my workflow.

If your attention is already focused on launching an app you are not focused on the other open programs are you? As soon as you launch the new program you need, there it is on your desktop right along side the apps you already had open. How does that interrupt your work flow any more then having your eyes focus on the lower left of the screen to click the start button, and browsing through the nested folders to find the program you need? Once you choose the app from the start menu the end result is the same, it is right there along side the other apps you already had open.

I am Kubuntu linux user. I rarely use Windows, but I find the start menu to be quite nice compared to the clunky old start menu.


RE: the hate here
By retrospooty on 7/5/2013 8:16:57 AM , Rating: 2
" I find the start menu to be quite nice compared to the clunky old start menu."

Cool. Then YOU use it, I dont, and the slow adoption rate of 8 and multitudes of people that dont like it would tend to agree. It's simpy a difference of opinion. Fortunately 7 works perfectly so everyone can be happy.


RE: the hate here
By Belard on 7/9/2013 1:08:21 PM , Rating: 2
Face it... for most of us (and it IS the majority) wouldn't spend $5 for the POS Windows 8 to put on our own computers.

I won't support it. My clients won't support it.

Its an ugly, ill-designed product... its fine that you like it. Hey, some people like the Yugo and eat worms.


RE: the hate here
By datdamonfoo on 7/5/2013 8:02:07 AM , Rating: 2
I disagree that it "sucks" on non-touchscreens, or those over 24 inches.
Windows 8 actually looks and performs like Windows 7, just with a new start screen. I have Windows 8 on my non-touch laptop, my desktop with two 27 inch monitors, and my 47 inch t.v. I can use it just fine, and I only see the start screen when I want to (just like the start menu). Otherwise, it looks just like Windows 7.


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