GM, Honda Team Up for Fuel Cell Vehicle Technology
July 3, 2013 7:40 AM
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GM and Honda have announced a long-term definitive “master agreement” to co-develop fuel cell system technology and hydrogen storage technologies with the goal of commercializing products within the 2020 timeframe.
The two automakers believe that by sharing expertise and economies of scale they can bring the technology to market. GM and Honda also plan to work with other stakeholders to advance the hydrogen refueling infrastructure that is critical for the viability of fuel cell powered vehicles.
Honda and GM together hold more than 1,200 hydrogen fuel cell-related patents between them.
General Motors Vice Chairman Steve Girsky (L) and Honda North America President Tetsuo Iwamura (R)
“This collaboration builds upon Honda and GM’s strengths as leaders in hydrogen fuel cell technology,” said Dan Akerson, GM chairman and CEO. “We are convinced this is the best way to develop this important technology, which has the potential to help reduce the dependence on petroleum and establish sustainable mobility.”
GM and Honda also point out that fuel cell vehicles have a range of up to 400 miles, need only about 3 minutes to refuel, and the propulsion system can be used in small, medium, and large vehicles.
GM has been working with hydrogen fuel cell-powered extensively over the past decade and launched Project Driveway in 2007. That project has a
fleet of 119 hydrogen-powered vehicles
that have accumulated about 3,000,000 miles of real-world driving. Honda began leasing the Honda FCX in 2002 and has 85 units in use in the U.S. and Japan, including the
Honda also plans to launch a hydrogen fuel cell-powered successor to the FCX Clarity in the Japan and the U.S. in 2015 (the vehicle will hit Europe at a later date).
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RE: What happens first...
7/3/2013 3:56:04 PM
Bloom is still working on a residential unit so autos are very, very far off, if ever. They have a 100kw system and it weights 11 tons. I think the problem with a Bloom "brick" is that it needs to also be heated to temperature for the reaction to take place, so that adds a bit of weight. Hydrogen fuel cells work at ambient temp if I am not mistaken.
Hydrogen fuel cells were used in the space shuttle, and are currently used in German attack subs (or sub, not sure how many they have). From an automotive standpoint, hydrogen fuel cells used to fit in a cargo vans back in the late 90's. They have since been shrunk down to fit in the floor of a car, so the size is workable for even small vehicles.
As for the no infrastructure nay sayers. Nobody is going to build an infrastructure until there is a market. The same was said about charging sites for EV's. Let them work on the market side, and the possible income will create the infrastructure. (that would be a great place for the government to step in and help out. Since importing millions of barrels of oil from foreign sources is not that great for the countries wealth)
The real problem I see is that Oil, and even electricity are huge markets, that has backing by big money. Who makes hydrogen? How will they make it? Electric cars just use the grid, no big deal and it is taking quite a while to catch on. Fuel cells have that problem and much more, since the best way to make hydrogen is with large amounts of electricity.
Hydrogen fuel cells also have the greatest reward. Great range, no\few moving parts, very customizable. (see GM's "skateboard" design) On an economic standpoint, we can focus less on importing oil, and more and creating our own hydrogen. Keeping more wealth in the US. That is a win hat trick. :)
RE: What happens first...
7/3/2013 11:34:00 PM
How much does it cost for a car?
RE: What happens first...
7/4/2013 12:43:18 PM
NASA has been using fuel cells since the mid 60s; the ones on the Space Shuttle weren't much different than the ones used on Apollo.
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