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Windows 8's biggest gain was less than a percent

Microsoft's Windows 8 operating system, which has been out since October, hasn’t exactly been incredibly popular and has been pointed to as one of the reasons that the overall PC market is on the decline.

Now that we are finished with the first half of 2013, Windows 8 has continued to steadily grow its market share as Windows XP and Windows Vista have been on the decline. According to new data from Net Applications, Windows 8 has now passed the 5% adoption mark and is now more widely used than Windows Vista.


During June, Windows 8 gained 0.83% increasing from 4.27% to 5.10%. At the same time, Windows 7 usage fell by 0.48% declining from 48.5% to 44.37% of the market. The paltry gain for June was Windows 8's biggest gain for 2013.

Net Applications’ data was captured from 160 million unique visitors each month and clean from the monitoring of about 40,000 websites for clients.
 
Microsoft is hoping for a further uptick in adoption when the final version of Windows 8.1 airs later this year.

Sources: The Next Web, Net Applications



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I cannot believe so many people are still on XP
By tayb on 7/1/2013 9:23:59 AM , Rating: 5
Windows XP was released in August 2001. That's nearly 12 full years.

Why is the PC market stagnant? Not because of Windows 8 but because 37% of the market is not interested in upgrading despite running a 12 year old OS that is no longer supported by Microsoft. If these people weren't convinced to upgrade to Windows 7 they certainly aren't going to be convinced to upgrade to Windows 8.

This is a nightmare for everyone. Neither .NET 4.5 nor IE 9+ will run on Windows XP yet 37% of the market cannot be ignored. What a mess.




By Brandon Hill (blog) on 7/1/2013 9:30:39 AM , Rating: 2
My father-in-law works for BOA, and they are just now upgrading the systems in his department from Windows XP to Windows 7.


By Brandon Hill (blog) on 7/1/2013 10:07:37 AM , Rating: 1
Wow, my FIL is going to kill me. I had a brain fart; he works for Wells Fargo :)


By dgingerich on 7/1/2013 11:11:48 AM , Rating: 2
What I couldn't believe was when I heard from a friend in the IT industry picking up a contract to upgrade a company from Windows 2000 to Windows Vista shortly after Windows 7 had come out. Seriously? What IT manager would be so much of a masochist to keep going on Windows 2000 that long, and then move to Windows Vista??


By Akrovah on 7/1/2013 1:17:49 PM , Rating: 2
One that wanted to push Linux or Mac adoption?


By GTVic on 7/1/2013 1:36:55 PM , Rating: 4
That is quite easy to understand. A transition can take one or two years including preparation time. There is no way they could switch to Windows 7 just as it came out.


By Sazabi19 on 7/1/2013 11:15:48 AM , Rating: 3
Where I work in local govt. we have around 10k+ devices, most running XP. We are trying to transition to Win7 but it is incredibly hard. Most of the apps our public safety guys use is home grown and is taking a long time to be compatible with 7. We are also going from 32 to 64 bit. We have to make sure all programs in a dept. are compatible with 7 and test out ok. We have been trying to do this for over a year and a half. It just takes a long time.


By damianrobertjones on 7/1/2013 4:46:13 PM , Rating: 3
Two words:

XP Mode


RE: I cannot believe so many people are still on XP
By Fritzr on 7/1/2013 9:06:38 PM , Rating: 2
For those not aware of this feature...

Win7 Pro and higher can download a free VM+XP that will allow WinXP software to appear to run seamlessly under Win7. What really happens is that a Win7 icon runs a WinXP program on a virtual PC running XP.

The Win7 Pro license includes an XP license, but it is up to the user to go to Microsoft and download the XP VM.

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows7/instal...

This VM is Win7 only ... it will NOT work under Win8. You can continue to run an XP VM under Win8, but it will require a different VM and an XP license.


RE: I cannot believe so many people are still on XP
By Nyu on 7/2/2013 1:45:43 AM , Rating: 2
that crap never worked properly for me. go vmware/vbox


By Adonlude on 7/2/2013 1:12:37 PM , Rating: 2
If this is a real metric they might as well thrown windows 98 and win2K up there as well for amusement.


By zero2dash on 7/1/2013 9:42:17 AM , Rating: 3
XP works in the business world still. Not all machines have >1GB of RAM and a dual core or greater. XP works. It has better legacy driver support. That's why.

Should everyone upgrade to 7? Sure, in a perfect world. But the issue is, not everything works on 7.

One of my friends has a workstation with router (of the machinist type, not the network traffic type) software that doesn't work in anything but Windows 95. The software also has a PCI card/hardware key verification with no drivers outside of....you guessed it, Win95. Despite my best efforts to do a P2V conversion for her, it didn't work out. So she still has this aging dinosaur machine because she has no choice.


By dgingerich on 7/1/2013 11:23:59 AM , Rating: 2
So many IT managers think this, but they are SO wrong.

1. XP has far worse security. It gets hit with so many pieces of malware that it now has more than 10 times as many issues reported as Windows 7 in IT. Having fewer malware problems means being able to cut back on support personnel Moving to Windows 7 cuts IT costs.

2. XP is far less stable than Windows 7. It crashes, on average, more than 4 times as often as Windows 7 due to program and driver crashes, simply because of how it is designed. Less crashes means more productivity for your employees.

3. Windows XP is nearing end of support. It's less than a year from the point where XP will no longer get updates. If an IT manager hasn't already instituted a plan to migrate to Windows 7, he's late, and the company will suffer for it. Plain and simple.

Any manager that chooses to stick with Windows XP at this point isn't going to be an IT manager for much longer. If a company hasn't invested in their infrastructure enough to move to Windows 7 at this point, they aren't going to stay in business much longer. A Windows 7 migration pays for itself within a couple years, no matter how big a company is.

Making a conscious choice to spend more money on support and losing more money on productivity, as well as making your company more vulnerable to hackers, is a really, really bad business decision.


By BRB29 on 7/1/2013 11:35:22 AM , Rating: 4
For older OS, there is not as many malware flying around to infect it.

Since the computer is part of a network and owned by the organization, it can be locked down with their own software. It is significantly harder to infect then.

All their legacy software will work the way it's supposed to. Switching to new OS may cause many problems and maybe even buying new software because of it.

You're thinking from an individual computer. IT managers based their figures on an entire network of the organization. There's a huge difference in cost and function. IT department must make sure it works and secured. The latest and greatest is not always the best way.


By kmmatney on 7/1/2013 12:01:05 PM , Rating: 2
From my own personal experience (programmer and system builder for a small company), I haven't found Windows 7 or 8 to be any more stable than Windows XP. They've all been very stable, to be honest. We build machines for the Fab semiconductor industry, which run 24/7, and need stability, and XP has been good. We are just now transitioning to Windows 7, but I still see plenty of Fab systems running on Windows NT, 2000 or ancient versions of Linux.

I'm sure many other industries (medical for example) are the same, and it takes a lot of time and manpower to qualify a new OS. We have many customers with "copy-exact" policies, and getting a new OS takes 6-12 months of testing, and lots of red tape going through many levels of management. It's a real hassle.


By zero2dash on 7/1/2013 12:07:45 PM , Rating: 2
You're still missing the big picture.

Code has to be updated to work post-XP in some cases. Drivers need to be updated - and in a lot of cases, that's not done because the manufacturer has released newer hardware and they refuse to support the legacy hardware. All of this is further gummed up trying to move from x86 to x64 architecture because let's face it, who uses Windows 7 32-bit? The company I work for HAS TO because our POS software (Celerant) is trash, but now that we're going to merge with another company (and have to dump Celerant because it barely supports a company our size, and we're growing post-merger by nearly 600%) we're going to hopefully start buying 64-bit machines once we find out if they're supported.

IT managers will still keep their jobs on XP; tweakers and geeks like us run on the bleeding edge, that's about it. Most home users don't really care because their computer works. Most business users care even less because their computer works and they don't want to try to convince accounting to spend tens of thousands of dollars on new software licenses, new equipment, and paying the development staff 80 hour work weeks to try to make the software work on another OS.


By Ammohunt on 7/1/2013 2:09:44 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
One of my friends has a workstation with router (of the machinist type, not the network traffic type) software that doesn't work in anything but Windows 95.


This really is not a problem if its not connected to a network. The only concern would be eventually hardware failure. So device pass through to the VM for the PCI dongle didn't work?


By Dorkyman on 7/1/2013 10:05:06 AM , Rating: 2
My computers are tools. I'm not into cutesy colors and "charms." They all run XP, all run flawlessly. I just don't think about the OS any more than I'd think about whether my hammer had a wood or composite handle.


By inighthawki on 7/1/2013 4:17:43 PM , Rating: 2
Then as a tool you should realize all of the features that Windows 7 and 8 can provide you. It's like comparing a dollar store calculator to a 3D graphing calculator.


By Mr Perfect on 7/1/2013 6:26:16 PM , Rating: 2
Yep, Windows 7 provides support for far more then XP. Even something as simple as using more then 4GB of ram makes 7 a necessary upgrade over XP.


By Fritzr on 7/1/2013 9:25:11 PM , Rating: 2
If the tool is doing the job then an upgrade breaks the tool

Proprietary software from a company that forgot they ever sold it will fail under a new OS ... the tool is broken

Proprietary software "upgraded" for the new OS will function in a different manner ... the tool is broken

Hardware that is shop specific was released and the company no longer supports legacy hardware ... the tool is broken

The cost of regular upgrades because the OS is "old" can include retooling a factory due to equipment that is "legacy"

These cases all require "old" unsupported OSes that should be isolated from the general internet. Access to the outside world should be restricted for these machines. This can cause a need for each employee to have 2 terminals ... one for the legacy system(s) and one to safely access the outside world.

It is nice to say that businesses should pay $20k-$30k per seat every 2 or 3 years because the OS vendor needs repeat sales, but when that is the only reason for the upgrade, then it is an unnecessary expense that destroys earnings.

This is actually a major selling point for Linux. Linux support for "old" versions will exist as long as there is a user community having a use for that generation of Linux. Also transferring legacy software and hardware from a dead line to a similar supported Linux/Unix is minor compared to the cost of upgrading OSX or Windows. This difference is due to the ability to add the hooks for the old drivers to a newer Linux/Unix ... the old hardware will also usually have a user group where information can be traded.


RE: I cannot believe so many people are still on XP
By nuker on 7/1/2013 10:19:22 AM , Rating: 3
You know nothing..tayb

A lot of that % is from different industries (manufacturing plants, telecommunication, financial services, etc...) that need validated software with a thoroughly tested environment (platform, DB's, networks). Even some firmware only works with embedded windows XP as OS...

This process is called Computer System Validation and is amply used in industries worldwide.

Expect that % to drop quickly in the next months because in april 2014 support for windows XP will end, meaning you won't have any security patches and that is a potential risk to business.


By kmmatney on 7/1/2013 4:43:40 PM , Rating: 2
At my company we are switching to Windows 7/8 as people get new computers. The transition of our desktop machines went quite easily - a few hiccups, but we were able to get our own in-house software to work in Windows 7, and making the transition gradual helped fix problems early.

However the actual products we sell are X-ray machines, which require a lot of third party devices - Imaging cards, data acquisition, and motion controllers). It wasn't until recently that they came out with 64-bit compatible software, and of course they all made it incompatible with the old software, so now we have to rewrite everything. We are finally rolling out Windows 32-bit, but it will be at least a year before we can go to 64-bit. These are X-ray machines, and need months of testing and validation. Switching to a new OS is not always easy...


By Jeffk464 on 7/1/2013 11:28:16 AM , Rating: 2
Hey one positively received OS release out of the last three, that's not bad.


By kchase731 on 7/1/2013 2:03:10 PM , Rating: 2
in all fairness to the average consumer microsoft technically hasnt EOL'd xp. thats not until April 8, 2014 and actually i think the real EOL date is july 2014. Anyway. MS should push the consumer on a faster upgrade cycle. I dont think 3 years is good like apple seems to, but 5 years might be reasonable


By Apone on 7/1/2013 3:21:09 PM , Rating: 2
@ tayb

In my experience butting heads with IT with previous employers, it often comes down to politics. Management has an "if ain't broke, don't fix it" mentality towards upgrading aging computers, servers, etc. until the last possible second when they realize it might compromise day-to-day business productivity, IT security, etc. In my employer's case, they decided to begin Win 7 adoption & deployment when Microsoft declared it would end XP support in 2014.

At one point, I remember I had to do some crazy asking/lobbying/nagging/head-butting to score a 24" LED LCD work computer monitor as I regularly had to update spreadsheets and do extensive comparison product site research and needed side-by-side windows viewing.

Yeah I agree it sucks, but it is what it is.


By Lazlo Panaflex on 7/1/2013 4:24:17 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
12 year old OS that is no longer supported by Microsoft.


Not quite true. It's still supported until April, 2014. And it'll continue to work after that ;)


By Lazlo Panaflex on 7/1/2013 4:29:10 PM , Rating: 2
(that was directed at "tayb", btw)


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