Sources: Aaron's Law (PDF), The Fair Access to Science and Technology Research Act (FASTR) [PDF], Sen. Wyden, Rep. Lofgren on Wired
quote: Prove to me your civil rights were violated by the NSA data collection methods and i might change my mind.
quote: The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
quote: against unreasonable searches and seizures
quote: Do you honestly think the NSA should be given unlimited powers to spy on everyone without a shred of accountability and following due legal process?
quote: Do you honestly think the NSA will not abuse its powers against us? Remember, there is no such thing as illegal and running afoul of the law when you work for the NSA.
quote: Prove that what the NSA is doing is unreasonable considering the current state of war this country is in
quote: Prove that what the NSA is doing is unreasonable considering the current state of war this country is in. Prove that this system was abused in a fashion that you are implying.
quote: I will find you, and I will kill you.
quote: In short people need to get over themselves! unless you are calling Afghanistan the NSA can give a rats ass about you! you are not special despite what you have been taught.
quote: First they came for the communists, and I didn't care because I wasn't a communist.Then they came for the Jews, and I didn't care because I wasn't a Jew.Then they came for the homosexuals, and I didn't care because I wasn't gay.Then they came for me, and there is nobody willing to help me.
quote: You're an idiot.
quote: Think about what you just said on a different level. Currently you see things in black and white. What if it isn't? Because this NSA spying scandal is anything but ordinary.
quote: It's easy to say you are free when you don't have your freedom forcibly taken away from you.
quote: Your government is busy chipping away your freedoms under the excuse of "national security". What have you ever received in return? Nothing.
quote: Shades of grey..learn something then get back to me.
quote: What i did imply was that they have done nothing illegal based on the Government we elected into place that created the NSA prism project.
quote: Gathering intelligence in order to determine potential threats does not fall under unreasonable search and seizure of personal effects.
quote: Since we cannot racially profile like other countries do perhaps you have a better way of securing this republic?
quote: I have a gun cabinet full of reasons why my freedom will never be forcibly taken away from me; that you can bank on.
quote: Yep, and look what happened to the hours before the Boston Marathon Bombing. They knew it's going to happen. The Russians even warned them about it. They did nothing. They just let the whole thing blow up and clean the mess afterwards.
quote: Has their been another 911 style attack? somethings working wonder what it is.
quote: To answer this question you would need to answer the following questions: has anyone planned such an attack? Has anyone been capable of executing such an attack? How close to executing the attack did they come? What prevented them from executing the attack? Was it prevented by the NSA program? I'm sure you'd have a damn hard time answer those questions for the time between 2001 and 2013, since almost all intelligence activity is classified.
quote: And i am glad of it! because in order to find out that information you have to give away methods and capability to any potential enemy!Frankly if you want those answers for your own piece of mind suit up get your clearance and go work for the NSA! hey you can be an evil civilian to back up evil government programs(its obvious to me that the civilians are the weakest link here).On a side note ask yourself why else would they collect this information? if they were truly evil do ya think the NSA would need legislation to spy on you? so far i have heard because they (the evil government) wants to create an Orwellian surveillance state...to what ends? Soviet Era citizen spying was unique to the culture and the paranoid government at the time it was used to suppress overall discontent with the state and is part and parcel to authoritarian rule. You think the soviets waited for the approval of the proletariat to start surveillance programs analogous to the NSA with the patriot act?Seriously people need to think rather than just emote the meme of the day.
quote: Originally posted by Fern (Anandtech forums super moderator):We just got caught spying on the entire world - and I'm referring here to spying on regular citizens (ethically if not legally violating their right to privacy) - and going into full 'bully mode' makes us look even worse.Russia? We don't even have an extradition treaty with Russia. We didn't want one and I think that's the right call. Trying to bully Putin just reveals our impotence. Probably gives him a good giggle too. We need to drop the 'bully crap' with them, it makes us look stupid.I also think there are many out there who, based on current evidence, are getting downright hysterical in there claims that Snowden is some kind of major spy, a traitor about to give up all kinds of damaging info on the US. Some are borderline apocalyptic in their predictions etc. How about chilling on that crap? Even it was true we look absolutely desperate etc. And maybe we shouldn't be alienating Snowden so much. It validates his fear of the US govt, and I think, makes him more sympathetic to people.And our intelligence service looks not only malevolent and stupid, but utterly incompetent. One low level who doesn't even work for the US govt bring down multi billion $ intel infrastructure?
quote: If i overhear a conversation from the window of your house with someone am i violating your 4th amendment rights? Do you have a reasonable expectation to privacy on a cell phone call? email? chats? These are the questions we need to be asking ourselves.
quote: You trust a bank with your money but you don't trust the duly elected Government(by the people for the people) with your phone conversations?
quote: If i overhear a conversation from the window of your house with someone am i violating your 4th amendment rights?
quote: Do you have a reasonable expectation to privacy on a cell phone call? email? chats? These are the questions we need to be asking ourselves.
quote: unless you are calling Afghanistan the NSA can give a rats ass about you!
quote: The Government didn't give anyone a choice. The only possible way your fucktard analogy makes sense is if my bank just grabbed my money without my knowledge, and was holding it for me secretly.
quote: Oh we have asked ourselves these questions, and the answers are yes.
quote: Are you fucking stupid?
quote: Umm I'm pretty damn sure half of the country is NOT placing calls to Afghanistan. So why exactly is our Government collecting call data and other info for such a huge number of people?
quote: You know what, you're just the worst. You're scum. You should be banned and vilified everywhere you go from here until you die. Which I hope is soon.
quote: I suggest while in your little one dimensional, myopic world you you take the time to consider the reason why you are free to say whatever you like its because of people like me along with many others that took an oath to protect the constitution and unfortunately twits like you.
quote: Tell me Einstein since you seem to have some super powers capable of collating all relative intelligence information from individual phone calls to and from the country(or some other secret method) how else would you do it?
quote: Read much? know what happened in Cypus? Dolt!
quote: All I am saying is people need to think and not just emote other peoples paranoid delusions.
quote: All I am saying is people need to think and not just emote other peoples paranoid delusions. Text
quote: In the context of a cryptanalytic effort, maintenance of technical data bases requires retention of all communications that are enciphered or reasonably believed to contain secret meaning, and sufficient duration may consist of any period of time during which encrypted material is subject to, or of use in, cryptanalysis.
quote: ... the reason why you are free to say whatever you like its because of people like me along with many others that took an oath to protect the constitution and unfortunately twits like you.
quote: This guy like Edward Snowden don't feel the law applies to them. They grew up without learning consequences for their actions and feel they can do anything without repercussions. Smart millennials can learn from these guys..you will be prosecuted for your dumb actions.