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Backup camera regulations delayed again

The Obama administration announced this week that it is delaying rules that would mandate backup cameras for all new automobiles. The new delays will put off any regulations for backup cameras for another 18 months. The move will undoubtedly upset safety advocates who have been pushing for all new vehicles to come with backup cameras to increase safety.

Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood sent letters to Congress yesterday noting that finalized requirements aren't expected until as late as January of 2015. However, the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration does plan to encourage automakers to install the cameras anyway before they are mandated to do so.

The recent delay marks the fifth time mandates have been pushed back and is considered a victory for automakers that have fought to prevent the mandate claiming that it's too expensive.


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“It’s not going to get done before I leave. I’m leaving a week from Friday,” LaHood said in a Detroit News interview on Thursday. “This is an expensive rule and we just have to figure out ways to bring down the costs.”

In a letter to Congress, LaHood said, “This rulemaking is important to the department due to its focus on enhancing the safety of our children.”

Initially, the regulations requiring backup cameras were expected to be fully implemented by September 2014. Automotive manufacturers have resisted legislation because it will cost the automotive industry between $1.9 billion and $2.7 billion annually.
 
Backup cameras are available on many vehicles sold today as an option (some newer models -- like the new Honda CR-V and Accord -- include the feature standard).

Source: Detroit News



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RE: Just following camera
By BRB29 on 6/21/2013 10:32:16 AM , Rating: 1
If your neighbor has tall hedge growth too close to the street then it should be taken down. In many cities, that is illegal. You should check your cities for regulations regarding plant growth and its distance from the street.

Your camera can have different modes, that's great. My eyes can see way more if I just turn my freaking head. I have a better judge of speed and distance as well. I would also see what's coming from the sides because that's where kids will likely come from. They'll run behind the vehicle to get around and that's when you'll run them over.

Sorry but no camera can have better vision than your eyes. i can quickly turn my head and have a clear picture of at least 270 degrees. The camera has a fixed 180 degrees max. that 180 degrees picture is not good. The sides will be compressed and judge of size, distance, speed is damn near impossible.


RE: Just following camera
By Azuroth on 6/21/2013 11:16:48 AM , Rating: 2
The hedge isn't too close to the street, but my head is 14 feet further from the curb than my camera is.

The problem with turning your head, is when you are looking to the left side, the kid comes running in from the right, and is shorter than the car. With your eyes it is now impossible to see him, because he's blocked by the vehicle itself.

This isn't hypothetical, I would have ran over my neighbor's kid who came out from one side and stopped behind my car had I not been watching my camera. If I had been turned around looking over my shoulder, the way the posts are in the car and the direction he came from, he never entered my line of sight.


RE: Just following camera
By BRB29 on 6/21/2013 12:13:00 PM , Rating: 2
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The problem with turning your head, is when you are looking to the left side, the kid comes running in from the right, and is shorter than the car. With your eyes it is now impossible to see him, because he's blocked by the vehicle itself.

That's why you look both sides. My head can turn pretty fast. My eyes can glance at mirrors in less than a 1/4 sec. I can achieve 360 awareness in under 2 seconds.

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This isn't hypothetical, I would have ran over my neighbor's kid who came out from one side and stopped behind my car had I not been watching my camera. If I had been turned around looking over my shoulder, the way the posts are in the car and the direction he came from, he never entered my line of sight.


Or had you looked both sides, you would've seen him coming. You would've stopped the vehicle before he even gets behind it. You're supposed to back out very slow that even people have a few seconds to react even if they weren't paying attention. An impact at 2 mph would not hurt anyone besides a toddler 3 years or younger.

If a kid/baby is roamming free then it's horrible parenting combined with a bad driver. Kids may seem like they're zipping everywhere but in reality they're moving pretty slow. Their running pace is maybe 5-6 mph. If you can't see that coming, you shouldn't be driving.


RE: Just following camera
By Azuroth on 6/21/2013 1:16:14 PM , Rating: 2
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That's why you look both sides. My head can turn pretty fast. My eyes can glance at mirrors in less than a 1/4 sec. I can achieve 360 awareness in under 2 seconds.

If you can see the side of your car in your side mirrors they are set improperly. Also, you seem to keep avoiding this point:
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If I had been turned around looking over my shoulder, the way the posts are in the car and the direction he came from, he never entered my line of sight.


There are approaches that I cannot physically see with my eyes from the drivers seat. No matter how good a driver you think you are, you can't see through steel. Having a wide angle field of view that is always unobstructed is simply superior to what you think you can see from where you sit.

I don't think he would have been hurt very badly, because I was barely idling along, but my driveway is concrete, and kid's skulls aren't all that hard yet.


RE: Just following camera
By M'n'M on 6/21/2013 1:50:01 PM , Rating: 2
Great. So you "need" one on your SUV. Tell me why I should pay to have one on my Mini (or similar) car ? Does saving perhaps 100 kids/yr (the Govt estimate) justify the cost for the rest of us ?


RE: Just following camera
By Azuroth on 6/21/2013 2:50:07 PM , Rating: 2
Oh I wasn't arguing they should be required, just that drivers that use technology aren't automatically bad drivers. I doubt I'd buy a new vehicle without one, but you should be free to.


RE: Just following camera
By BRB29 on 6/21/2013 3:17:53 PM , Rating: 2
Nobody is saying vehicles shouldn't have one. We're saying it shouldn't be forced on us because a 100 people a year are careless enough to run their own kids over. Some people needs/wants it. Others don't.

I'm willing to bet some of those people that ran over a kid did have a backup camera.


RE: Just following camera
By BRB29 on 6/21/2013 2:28:03 PM , Rating: 2
There is always a blind spot in every vehicle. It's your job as a driver to make sure nothing is there and then continue scanning/screening your views to make sure nothing gets in there. Don't start making BS scenarios to prove a point. A fixed camera isn't going to catch a moving kid until it's too late.

I've driven my Esclade, F150, work truck F250/F350, Tahoe, and even with trailers sometimes. I've never had a problem with seeing little kids coming and I lived in a suburb neighborhood with young families. The base model home there was a 4 bedroom 2 car garage just to give you an idea. Not only are there plenty of kids around, dogs and cats are there too. With big trailers, I ask for help guiding and to clear traffic/kids. But that's common sense. No back up camera is going to help you with a trailer.

The only problems I've ever had was the neighbor's cats loves laying underneath my vehicles when the engine's still warm. You can't see pets hiding underneath with or without a camera.


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