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Backup camera regulations delayed again

The Obama administration announced this week that it is delaying rules that would mandate backup cameras for all new automobiles. The new delays will put off any regulations for backup cameras for another 18 months. The move will undoubtedly upset safety advocates who have been pushing for all new vehicles to come with backup cameras to increase safety.

Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood sent letters to Congress yesterday noting that finalized requirements aren't expected until as late as January of 2015. However, the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration does plan to encourage automakers to install the cameras anyway before they are mandated to do so.

The recent delay marks the fifth time mandates have been pushed back and is considered a victory for automakers that have fought to prevent the mandate claiming that it's too expensive.


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“It’s not going to get done before I leave. I’m leaving a week from Friday,” LaHood said in a Detroit News interview on Thursday. “This is an expensive rule and we just have to figure out ways to bring down the costs.”

In a letter to Congress, LaHood said, “This rulemaking is important to the department due to its focus on enhancing the safety of our children.”

Initially, the regulations requiring backup cameras were expected to be fully implemented by September 2014. Automotive manufacturers have resisted legislation because it will cost the automotive industry between $1.9 billion and $2.7 billion annually.
 
Backup cameras are available on many vehicles sold today as an option (some newer models -- like the new Honda CR-V and Accord -- include the feature standard).

Source: Detroit News



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RE: Good
By FITCamaro on 6/21/2013 9:04:00 AM , Rating: 4
Of course you should do those three things even if you have a damn backup camera. In my opinion, having the backup camera makes you more likely to not do the first two.


RE: Good
By othercents on 6/21/2013 9:50:52 AM , Rating: 2
I don't believe everyone understands the usefulness of a backup camera therefor they wouldn't typically choose it as an option. However there have been plenty of times when trying to back into my driveway that a kid next door ran across my driveway. In the situation when you are backing into or out of a driveway (not the street) the backup camera allows you to see where you can't normally from the drivers seat.

Side note: Wasn't Washington State outlawing the use of video screens the vehicle. Something about they have to be turned off when driving? Wouldn't the defeat the purpose of having a backup camera?


RE: Good
By Reclaimer77 on 6/21/2013 10:10:59 AM , Rating: 2
It's usefulness is not up for debate. The issue is the monstrous overreach of our Government to actually mandate all vehicles have such equipment.


RE: Good
By TSS on 6/21/13, Rating: 0
RE: Good
By BRB29 on 6/21/2013 11:12:13 AM , Rating: 3
i understand you think EU got everything perfect. This is about US laws. Please don't comment on a society you know nothing about.


RE: Good
By maugrimtr on 6/24/2013 8:36:07 AM , Rating: 3
quote:
Plus any kid that gets run over because he ran behind a moving car deserves to die.


Good to know that you're a heartless bastard without children. If you have kids, I truly hope God is merciful to them.


RE: Good
By NesuD on 6/21/2013 12:24:44 PM , Rating: 1
It's not overreach. It is actually a damn good safety feature. We have a vehicle that came with one as standard equipment. It is far less expensive to implement than airbags were. Unfortunately you still have to look at it before you backup. My wife knows that now. ;-/


RE: Good
By ClownPuncher on 6/21/2013 1:30:20 PM , Rating: 3
How is it not an over-reach? I have no need for a backup camera, but the government is trying to force me to buy one.


RE: Good
By Mint on 6/22/2013 10:07:18 AM , Rating: 1
Saying you have no need for a backup camera is like saying you have no need for wing mirrors, and can simply turn you head to see what's there.

Nobody can see through their trunk. Everyone makes an assumption that either nobody/nothing is there or that anyonen who is will get out of the way.


RE: Good
By ClownPuncher on 6/24/2013 11:22:03 AM , Rating: 2
I don't have a trunk, and I don't need backup cameras. You should be turning your head to see regardless, not doing so is going to cause more problems than not.

Buy one if you feel the need. Don't try to force me into your stupid shit world.


RE: Good
By JediJeb on 6/21/2013 3:12:21 PM , Rating: 2
Actually if you want to mandate some safety equipment that will save far more lives and prevent thousands more accidents put sensors in the front of vehicles that sound the most annoying alarm you can invent(maybe Crazy Frog telling you that you are an idiot) when you follow another vehicle too closely!

It would use speed to calculate proper following distance and be made so that any attempt to disable it would make the vehicle inoperable. This would stop all those NASCAR driver wannabes from driving so close to my bumper at highway speeds that I can't see them in either side mirror(and sometimes rear view mirror). I would imagine far more people are injured each year from rear end collisions than are backed over in driveways or parking lots.

If the government must mandate some type of safety feature, let's make it something that is actually useful to the majority of the people.


RE: Good
By BRB29 on 6/21/2013 3:23:50 PM , Rating: 2
I've seen people getting rear ended almost every day because of texting drivers. This happens all the time in the DC area.

We should mandate all vehicles should have autobrakes *rolls eyes.

Nobody wants to fix the source of the problem anymore. Just bandaid everything and kiss it better.


RE: Good
By snhoj on 6/23/2013 9:37:49 PM , Rating: 2
I think the cost argument is misdirection from the auto makers. Touch screens are produced in their millions for tablets and phones as are cameras and they are as cheap as chips. I bought a Chinese tablet new for under $50US including shipping. It has a 7" touch screen and a camera and a lot of other things that a backup camera system wouldn't need. That’s why I think a backup camera system could be built for less than $40 if mass produced.


RE: Good
By ihateu3 on 6/22/2013 4:43:52 PM , Rating: 2
No different than them making Tire-pressure monitoring systems mandatory...


RE: Good
By Reclaimer77 on 6/22/2013 8:17:44 PM , Rating: 2
The comments after my original post here is exactly why we have things like the NSA spying on half of all Americans, and the Patriot Act, or any number of absurd Government intrusions. Like the Government mandating away the incandescent light-bulb, just ridiculous.

This apathetic, ignorant, "people are stupid and need to be protected" attitude is the problem. It doesn't just stop, or end, at automobile equipment. But it's filtered down through our entire culture as more and more people trade their responsibilities and personal freedoms for the false security of an all-knowing all-wise "benevolent" oppression by the State.

History is most certainly repeating itself right here, right now, today. You could all bear witness, if you would just open your eyes.

And for you who are reading this saying to yourselves "it's just backup cameras, what's the big deal!?" - make no mistake, you ARE the problem.


RE: Good
By FITCamaro on 6/21/2013 10:20:41 AM , Rating: 2
Most infotainment systems don't allow DVDs to be watched when the vehicle is moving but it is easily bypassed and doesn't apply to backup cameras.

And you can see if you're watching around you and looking out the back window. It's also why you go slow coming out of the driveway. You also should look around before you even get in the car.

Even backup cameras won't prevent these kinds of accidents though.


RE: Good
By BRB29 on 6/21/2013 10:25:33 AM , Rating: 2
People ran over their kids but they can't blame their bad driving skills. Instead, let's put a bandaid fix on and pretend it's not me.

You wonder why we can't even vote for the right politician.


RE: Good
By BRB29 on 6/21/2013 10:22:42 AM , Rating: 3
quote:
I don't believe everyone understands the usefulness of a backup camera therefor they wouldn't typically choose it as an option. However there have been plenty of times when trying to back into my driveway that a kid next door ran across my driveway. In the situation when you are backing into or out of a driveway (not the street) the backup camera allows you to see where you can't normally from the drivers seat.


Bro, if the kids are running across then by it would be too late when the back up camera catches them in view. What you need to do is use your peripheral vision and side mirrors as well. Using a back up camera is like trying to drive with tunnel vision. I've had them in an older Lexus. My parents have them in their new Accord, it's only good for parking. Using it for backing out of a driveway is actually more dangerous because you don't see kids running across the sidewalks or yard.


RE: Good
By Nutzo on 6/21/2013 10:55:30 AM , Rating: 3
quote:
Using a back up camera is like trying to drive with tunnel vision


Exactly.
My new car has a backup camera, and if I only depended on the backup camera (as opposed to looking out the back window) I would likely have been in several accidents by now.

What actually works better from a safty point are sensors that let you know when something's behind you. A simple audio beep letting you know you need to stop results in a much faster reaction time than depending on someone to see something on a little screen.

Of course even better is a system that will automatically apply the brakes if the sensors detect that you are going to hit something, which would reduce the reaction time to almost zero.


RE: Good
By BRB29 on 6/21/2013 11:17:31 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Of course even better is a system that will automatically apply the brakes if the sensors detect that you are going to hit something, which would reduce the reaction time to almost zero.


This is already in a lot of new cars and it's a good idea.

I really don't see why these bad drivers that ran over their kids wants to make a law that only benefits them. Oh wait, I forgot how selfish and egocentric people are. I ran over my kids but I'm not a bad driver. It's the car's fault for not having a rear camera even though it didn't have it for 80+ years.


RE: Good
By LRonaldHubbs on 6/21/2013 11:26:57 AM , Rating: 3
quote:
I don't believe everyone understands the usefulness of a backup camera therefor they wouldn't typically choose it as an option.

That is, of course, there prerogative. Their ignorance is willful and not my problem.

quote:
However there have been plenty of times when trying to back into my driveway that a kid next door ran across my driveway.

This example brings several questions to mind:
1) Where were the kid's parents when this happened?
2) Why didn't they teach their kid not to run into/across the path of a moving vehicle?
3) Why should their failure at parenting dictate that I must spend more money?

Call me calloused, but I'm not interested in subsidizing stupidity. If the kid is dumb enough to get himself run over in the way you described, that's on him and his parents.


RE: Good
By LRonaldHubbs on 6/21/2013 11:40:01 AM , Rating: 2
*their prerogative

Guess I should have proofread...


RE: Good
By BRB29 on 6/21/2013 12:15:45 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Call me calloused, but I'm not interested in subsidizing stupidity. If the kid is dumb enough to get himself run over in the way you described, that's on him and his parents.


That doesn't matter, a good driver would've seen that kid coming anyways. Even if you don't, backing up slow enough would not hurt dumb kids. They'll get a bruise or whatever and walk it off.


RE: Good
By av911 on 6/21/2013 4:27:40 PM , Rating: 2
" there have been plenty of times when trying to back into my driveway that a kid next door ran across my driveway."

Maybe you should talk to their parent(s) and spend the money somewhere else.


RE: Good
By V-Money on 6/21/2013 10:59:59 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
I don't believe everyone understands the usefulness of a backup camera therefor they wouldn't typically choose it as an option.


Since usefulness is so important to you, why not mandate sensors with an audio signal, its cheap, effective (moreso since you can still look visually)and wouldn't be hard to implement in every vehicle...

...with that said, the problem with these mandates is that it is based on case scenarios. I've never run over a kid and I've been driving for years in lots of vehicles without this technology. Could it happen? Sure, but it is more likely that someone will run into my car and kill me. So since we are talking about effectiveness, why not mandate roll cages on every vehicle and 5 point seat belts?


RE: Good
By iamkyle on 6/21/2013 10:35:13 PM , Rating: 2
Maybe you should think about what comes out of your mouth first before needing to make 2 posts about it.


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