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Meanwhile Xbox 360 continues to sell strong

Even as the storm over digital rights management (DRM) thunders on the horizon for Microsoft Corp.'s (MSFT) holiday season, the offline-playable Xbox 360 continues to sell strong.

I. Xbox 360 Stays Strong

In May the Xbox 360 marked its 29th month atop U.S. sales charts, moving 114,000 units.  That's down from 160,000 units in May 2012, but then again the console market as a whole ticked downward.  Microsoft's numbers come courtesy of third party sales tracking firm NPD Group Inc.  Overall game revenue was down 25 percent for the month.
In total Microsoft pocketed $149.8M USD in Xbox revenue (from software, accessories, and console sales).

Microsoft is hoping that a redesigned case, showed off at this years Electronic Entertainment Expo (E3) will help it continue its dominance.  The new case resembles the upcoming Xbox One, with a slimmer profile and quieter internals.  The redesign is similar to rival Sony Corp.'s (TYO:6758) penchant for "slim" console refreshes.

Microsoft Xbox 360 refresh
Microsoft's Xbox 360 refresh

Prices for the redesigned 'box remain unchanged at $199.99 for the 4GB version, $299.99 for a 250GB version, and $299.99 for a 4GB version with a bundled Kinect sensor.  Microsoft has announced that it hopes to sell another 25 million Xbox 360s, offering the system as a cheaper alternative to next generation consoles.  That would bring lifetime sales to 100 million units globally.

II. Microsoft: Xbox is 10x... no, 3x... no, 8x... no, 10x... no, 40x More Powerful!

Meanwhile yet another controversy is brewing over the Xbox One -- but this time it isn't about DRM.  Rather it's about the processing power of the Xbox One.

In raw performance of the in-console hardware, Sony's PlayStation 4 will reportedly trump the Xbox One's internals with a slightly more powerful CPU/GPU combo.  But Microsoft's controversial "always on" DRM scheme does offer some degree of parity, allowing Microsoft to bump some amount of processing off the console.

Regardless, Microsoft appears intent on comparing its console against a known -- the Xbox 360.  And it's there that the confusion begins.
Xbox One
The Xbox One

In an interview with Stevivor on May 22 Microsoft Xbox Australia spokesperson Adam Pollington remarked, "It’s also been stated that the Xbox One is ten times more powerful than the Xbox 360, so we’re effectively 40 times greater than the Xbox 360 in terms of processing capabilities [using the cloud]." (emphasis added)

Microsoft Game Studio chief Phil Spencer on Monday's episode of "Late Night With Jimmy Fallon" bragged that the Xbox 360 was 3x more powerful:


Later, at roughly 4 a.m. EST he took to Twitter to correct himself at least twice as he first said 8x, then 10x (without the cloud):


Even if that number is correct there's still some big questions about Microsoft's numbers.  Mr. Pollington's comments seem to suggest that the Xbox One will quadruple its onboard processing power via the cloud.  That's a rather ambitious claim -- and one which will need to be seen to be believed.

If it can indeed up its console's performance by 300 percent with cloud computing, then perhaps it has some ammo against critics of its always-on DRM scheme.  If not, the critics will score yet another strike against the embattled gaming box.

Sources: Microsoft [1], [2; Twitter]



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It doesn't matter to me
By tayb on 6/18/2013 12:32:42 PM , Rating: 5
Because I'm still not buying it. Remove the region lock, used game ban, and other DRM restrictions and I'm a buyer on day one.

You're offering less for more. What are you thinking?!?




RE: It doesn't matter to me
By Mint on 6/18/2013 12:51:09 PM , Rating: 4
Either that, or have reduced game prices.

Gamestop actually makes more profit on used games than new ones. If this winds up putting more dollars in game devs' pocket, it's quite likely that they'll charge more for the PS4 version than the XBox One version.


RE: It doesn't matter to me
By Nekrik on 6/18/2013 1:30:33 PM , Rating: 2
Yep, if more sales dollars are going to the Devs and game companies then there is a possibility that it will actually reduce the price of a new game. Not having to account for the resale market gives them greater flexibility, sell three games at $35 rather than one at $60 (which is then traded twice).

Not saying this is what will happen, but it is possible. Personally, I like having a 'new' copy and have never sold any of the games I do buy, so this is preferable to me were to actually occur. If not, no loss for some people as they have already decided to skip out on the resale market.


RE: It doesn't matter to me
By Motoman on 6/18/2013 1:42:47 PM , Rating: 2
MS has already stated that games will be $60.


RE: It doesn't matter to me
RE: It doesn't matter to me
By BRB29 on 6/18/2013 1:48:32 PM , Rating: 3
lol theinquirer

it has never been the same since charlie left


RE: It doesn't matter to me
By Mitch101 on 6/18/2013 1:56:20 PM , Rating: 2
Faud too but he has his own site.

TheInq is just an anti-microsoft hate campaign with no news that isnt slanted. I check it about once every 3 months. They have good content but they write so biased that you just get sick of it and leave.

The INQ has gotten so bad they would find negative things to say about the Bill and Melinda gates foundation.


RE: It doesn't matter to me
By BRB29 on 6/18/13, Rating: -1
RE: It doesn't matter to me
By Jim_Liquor on 6/18/13, Rating: -1
RE: It doesn't matter to me
By Mint on 6/18/2013 7:03:40 PM , Rating: 2
How are they communists?


RE: It doesn't matter to me
By Jim_Liquor on 6/18/13, Rating: -1
RE: It doesn't matter to me
By BRB29 on 6/18/13, Rating: 0
RE: It doesn't matter to me
By retrospooty on 6/19/2013 12:52:58 AM , Rating: 2
Oh look, we have a freshly created login. In your few posts made in your 2 days here you have alreafy spread a great deal of ignorance... Showing the world the ugly uneducated ignorant backward side of America.

Congrats . nicely done.

For the rest of the world please understand that this mouth breather is not the norm, but the bottom 10% that makes us all look bad.


RE: It doesn't matter to me
By Jim_Liquor on 6/19/13, Rating: 0
RE: It doesn't matter to me
By niaaa on 6/19/2013 6:44:36 AM , Rating: 1
my facts say that you facts are wrong


RE: It doesn't matter to me
By BRB29 on 6/19/2013 7:38:12 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
You are certainly incorrect. Not only that but you are massively misinformed. I am one who looks at facts and then makes comments based on facts. Unlike you who seems to think you are better than everyone else. You yourself are flawed.

what facts? you've only posted opinions


RE: It doesn't matter to me
By Cheesew1z69 on 6/19/2013 11:48:50 AM , Rating: 3
quote:
what facts? you've only posted opinions
Pot...Kettle... Black


RE: It doesn't matter to me
By retrospooty on 6/19/2013 8:52:42 AM , Rating: 2
Sorry... Your "Facts" are wrong and your opinion is extremely ignorant on all fronts...

http://www.dailytech.com/CommentUser.aspx?user=294...


RE: It doesn't matter to me
By Cerin218 on 6/18/2013 3:57:08 PM , Rating: 2
Everyone in the world is a benevolent altruist to you aren't they? Everyone does everything for everyone out of the kindness of their hearts right? You are a trusting fellow.


RE: It doesn't matter to me
By Motoman on 6/18/2013 5:20:13 PM , Rating: 2
Should one be cynical in general of charities? Sure.

But this one? Holy crap. I'm pretty sure the Gates Foundation has done more for the poor in Africa than any other charity you could think of.

And certainly somewhat better than the $0 Steve Jobs ever donated...to anyone.


RE: It doesn't matter to me
By Skywalker123 on 6/19/2013 4:29:02 PM , Rating: 2
Which will only speed up the destruction of the African environment and wildlife.


RE: It doesn't matter to me
By BillyBatson on 6/18/2013 11:19:48 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
but they write so biased that you just get sick of it and leave.


Very similar with me and DailyTech.


RE: It doesn't matter to me
By Motoman on 6/18/2013 2:48:55 PM , Rating: 4
http://www.fudzilla.com/home/item/31706-xbox-one-t...$60-usd

Yeah fine so here's the info on Fuad's site.

I'm not sure what that other guy's problem is with the Inq. They're not anti-MS...they're anti-anything stupid, and nobody is safe from them.

Anyway, I love how this is being positioned as "pacifying" the gamer crowd by "not raising game prices." So you're not going to charge more for games that the consumer doesn't have ownership rights on now? Yay?

But...but...what about the people who said XBO games would be cheaper, since you can't freely resell/trade/gift them?

Oh, that's right...those people are stupid.


RE: It doesn't matter to me
By Spuke on 6/18/2013 3:46:12 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Yeah fine so here's the info on Fuad's site.
Wow, where the hell have I been? Fuad's not at the INQ? No wonder it's not funny anymore.


RE: It doesn't matter to me
By Motoman on 6/18/2013 5:18:12 PM , Rating: 2
Dude...that was like 10 years ago.


RE: It doesn't matter to me
By BRB29 on 6/18/2013 1:55:00 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
MS has already stated that games will be $60.


Isn't that cheaper in a way? Prices remained the same despite the skyrocketing development costs. It used to be that spending over $10mil making a game was a lot. Now $100m production costs are not rare.


RE: It doesn't matter to me
By Motoman on 6/18/2013 2:50:13 PM , Rating: 3
Not if you can't freely resell/trade/gift the game afterwards. But we've covered that before ;)


RE: It doesn't matter to me
By inighthawki on 6/18/2013 9:52:59 PM , Rating: 2
And I bet with proper sales through a digital market you will be able to get games at all time lows, lower than you'd ever be able to recoup at used games cost. Plus you'll get to keep the game forever, AND all the money (minus fees) goes to the devs. Win-win in my book, but if you want to keep moaning on and on about your right to resell the game you'll lose out on the potential.


RE: It doesn't matter to me
By Motoman on 6/19/2013 10:43:25 AM , Rating: 2
If you live in Europe, their courts have already granted you First-Sale rights over digital purchases. So...apparently that's already sorted for you on that side of the pond.

Here in America, citizens have *no* rights on digital purchases. At all. So no...it's lose-lose, until some magic happens here and America catches up to Europe on consumer rights.

BTW - go on and try to resell a Steam game, or an iTunes download, and let me know how that works for you.


RE: It doesn't matter to me
By Ammohunt on 6/18/2013 2:56:59 PM , Rating: 4
Indie games and some big name games routinely sell for >$30 on Steam. Case in point i picked up Civ 5 for $7.50 and Borderlands 2 for $30. $60 is an artificial and arbitrary price that obviously doesn't reflect development or marketing costs. I will never pay $60 for a console game.


RE: It doesn't matter to me
By BRB29 on 6/19/2013 7:41:58 AM , Rating: 3
Most indie games are under $30. I'm on steam every day.
PC games have always been cheaper than consoles. At launch day, you'll see a lot of games selling at $60 for consoles and $50 for PC. A few months after, the PC games will fall to 30-40 and consoles usually stay 50-60.

The only games that falls out of that bracket is usually craptastic games


RE: It doesn't matter to me
By someguy123 on 6/19/2013 9:32:06 PM , Rating: 2
When selling on PC developers aren't required to pay the royalty fees normally associated with consoles. It's understandable that the standard pricing would be much lower.

I don't think it's reasonable to compare with some of the really good sales like civ 5 for $7.50, though. I'm not so sure civ 5 would make its development cost back at $7.50 per unit at launch, especially since steam and retailers get 30% of that.


RE: It doesn't matter to me
By inighthawki on 6/18/2013 3:49:52 PM , Rating: 4
This also doesn't take into consideration that prices may drop, or there may be sales shortly after launch. Even if Microsoft actually mandated $60 for titles at launch, there may not be such a requirement to keep it at $60 for the life of the title.


RE: It doesn't matter to me
By Nekrik on 6/18/2013 1:59:03 PM , Rating: 2
MS also said they were not going to enforce the DRM for games put out by their studio, so that is just the same old price as before.

Regardless, the idea of cheaper games, and even this entire 'no used games' debacle is just hypothetical until we see what is actually in place after the products are released.

If we had no rabid fanboys looking for reasons to declare a winner before they even get to try the productsa this would be a very minor bump in the road for everyone.


RE: It doesn't matter to me
By BRB29 on 6/18/2013 2:01:52 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
If we had no rabid fanboys looking for reasons to declare a winner before they even get to try the productsa this would be a very minor bump in the road for everyone.

you're just a party pooper aren't you?


RE: It doesn't matter to me
By dgingerich on 6/18/2013 6:24:08 PM , Rating: 4
HA! The game companies will charge as much as they will get by with. If people continue to buy at $60 even if they can't resell the game later, then that is exactly what they will charge. They most certainly will not charge less just because their customers can't resell the game.


RE: It doesn't matter to me
By KurgSmash on 6/18/2013 1:07:35 PM , Rating: 2
A bunch of ado about nothing. There is no used game ban and exactly like Sony is doing with the PS4, Microsoft is leaving DRM policy decisions up to developers.


RE: It doesn't matter to me
By retrospooty on 6/18/2013 1:19:32 PM , Rating: 5
"There is no used game ban and exactly like Sony is doing with the PS4"

Its not a "ban" per say, but you cant just give a friend the disk and be done with it. It has to be authorized and processed and that is pure crap and is NOT what Sony is doing with the PS4. If its not a big deal to you, then by all means, go ahead and get an XB-One. It is an issue to alot of people, myself included.

Here is how I see it:

I bought the console and I bought the game. I want to be able to use it where I want and when I want and give it to who I want for however long I want. I want to do what I see fit to do without your freegin always connected to internet and used game rules. If I go up to the cabin in the winter and want to play Xbox overnight I cant.

No worries MS, You were open and honest about it up front and didn't try to trick anyone and I appreciate that. That is your product and your decision... MY decision is not to buy it because I don't like being told what to do and what I cannot do with products I own.


RE: It doesn't matter to me
By BRB29 on 6/18/2013 1:27:20 PM , Rating: 2
If anyone even noticed that the ps4 gpu has 32rop and more shaders. We're going to need that to push 4k res. Cloud isn't going to help us with that. I would buy it for that.

But ultimately, it is the games that will be the final decision. I don't care for these new consoles until next summer. For now, SC2, COH2, dota2, rome2, and chivalry are all i can handle and look forward to.


RE: It doesn't matter to me
By Mitch101 on 6/18/2013 1:51:11 PM , Rating: 3
I dont see 4K taking off so fast most of the TV's Ive seen that are affordable only do 30fps. The 60fps 4k HDTV's are expensive. Plus if you get one where are you going to get 4k TV, movies, content from? I havent even heard any dates about 4k content being broadcast or distributed on disc and we know how long it takes everyone to agree on a copy protected format.

By the time 4k really starts to become mainstream or affordable in sets the next gen consoles will be starting to take shape.


RE: It doesn't matter to me
By bsd228 on 6/18/2013 2:45:52 PM , Rating: 2
I have over 30,000 images that would benefit from a 4k display. And if you're willing to accept 15fps, the latest Gopro will do 4k recording.

The really impressive feature on the Sony 4ks is the 2 player gaming using the same screen. 7 grand (for the 65") is still too steep to me for the value given, but it's clear to me that the price drops will occur much faster than they did 10 years ago with the first rush towards Plasma/LCD flat screens.


RE: It doesn't matter to me
By someguy123 on 6/19/2013 9:38:21 PM , Rating: 2
4K gaming is a long time away, especially for consoles. I mean is conceivable on older games or with a bunch of gtx titans strapped together, but both consoles aren't touting hardware capable of running modern games at 4k, much less 4k split screen.


RE: It doesn't matter to me
By EasyC on 6/19/2013 7:15:48 AM , Rating: 2
Amazon has a 50" 4k tv with decent reviews for 970$ shipped. It is also 120Hz, just saying...


RE: It doesn't matter to me
By marimvibe on 6/19/2013 10:24:19 AM , Rating: 2
Why on Earth would you get a 4K 50" TV? Are you sitting 2 feet from the screen?


RE: It doesn't matter to me
By Flunk on 6/19/2013 2:14:37 PM , Rating: 2
Me? Yes, we can't all be millionaires you know.


RE: It doesn't matter to me
By Mitch101 on 6/19/2013 3:31:25 PM , Rating: 2
HDMI 1.4 is bandwidth limited to 30Hz while at Quad-HD/4K/2160p resolution.

Not sure whey they are trying to get 120hz but unless it has a display port something is fishy. Marketing maybe or displaying 30 images 4 times each?


RE: It doesn't matter to me
By someguy123 on 6/19/2013 9:36:23 PM , Rating: 2
Greater than 60hz on a television is pretty much a marketing thing right now. The backlight is legitimately strobing at 120hz (and some TVs have software blending for video output), but there isn't a TV out right now that can deliver 120hz of real frames. Even desktops the best you can get are TN panels @ 120 or 144hz.


RE: It doesn't matter to me
By Mitch101 on 6/20/2013 1:53:55 PM , Rating: 2
I agree it didnt smell right to me especially with the Sony 4k set costing 3-4 times more.

120 or 144hz makes sense for a gaming unit. I think the highest for movies might be 48 or 96 even then movie buffs want 24 enforced. I would prefer sports be at a higher rate but cant tell you if 60 is good enough or if sports should be higher.


RE: It doesn't matter to me
By andrewaggb on 6/18/2013 1:51:28 PM , Rating: 4
ps4 has a better gpu, but it's not going to game at 4k. not even close. the ps4 and xbone gpu's are designed to game with decent quality at 1080p. The only thing they will do at 4k is video playback.


RE: It doesn't matter to me
By Cheesew1z69 on 6/18/13, Rating: -1
RE: It doesn't matter to me
By Cheesew1z69 on 6/18/2013 2:53:12 PM , Rating: 3
Awww, down rated for facts... LOL!


RE: It doesn't matter to me
By xti on 6/18/2013 1:40:08 PM , Rating: 1
still don't get what the big deal is making people say they are going on an xbox1 embargo.


RE: It doesn't matter to me
By retrospooty on 6/18/2013 1:44:37 PM , Rating: 2
Imagine buying a car and the manufacturer tells you you can only drive it at a certain time and you cannot loan it to anyone without their prior consent.

It's simple. If I own it I don't like being told what I can and cannot do with it period, end of story... It's mine, not yours don't limit me with BS rules. No worries, they are open and up front about it so I can choose not to buy it. Happyness.


RE: It doesn't matter to me
By kleinma on 6/18/2013 3:10:27 PM , Rating: 1
more like imagine you buy a car and the mfgr says "you can share this with 10 of your friends at any time, but only one of you can drive it at once". that is the actual policy for game sharing on the xbox one, and the reason for the internet requirement. This also spans into digital delivery, so even if you never had a disc, you can share the title with your friends. Sony has only commented on discs, so my guess is they have nothing setup at all to handle what happens with digital purchases and how you might be able to share or resell those.


RE: It doesn't matter to me
By retrospooty on 6/18/2013 3:49:49 PM , Rating: 2
"you can share this with 10 of your friends at any time, but only one of you can drive it at once"

No, sorry, that isnt how it works, at least that is not how MS has said it works. On top of it there is a used game fee to pay MS to enable it even if you gave it to someone for free.

"That is the actual policy for game sharing on the xbox one, and the reason for the internet requirement."

BS... There is no reason it can't be done differently and do the licensing when the Xbox is online without disabling offline gaming when away from the internet. It was a conscious decision that has no technical reason behind it other than to try and eek more $$$ out of it. Like I said above, that is fine, that is MS's product and its thier choice. I choose not to buy it because I dont like companies rules invading the way I do things with MY PROPERTY THAT I OWN...


RE: It doesn't matter to me
By Avatar28 on 6/18/2013 4:32:40 PM , Rating: 2
Um, Microsoft was quite clear that they will not charge a fee to transfer or sell a game. Whether the publisher will or not is another matter entirely.


RE: It doesn't matter to me
By retrospooty on 6/18/2013 4:44:19 PM , Rating: 2
Whatever... MS, or the devs. It still has to be activated, you cant just do it. It's just not necessary, nor is the internet requirement.

http://www.ign.com/wikis/xbox-one/Used_Games_and_R...

For the games Microsoft publishes, Microsoft Studios will allow you to give your games to friends or trade in your Xbox One games to used game stores. There are caveats:[1]

You can only give Xbox One games to people who have been on your friends list for at least 30 days.

Each game can only be given once.

Anyone can play your games on your console -- regardless of whether you are logged in.

Microsoft allows you to gift games to friends but they can't "borrow" them. Microsoft says of this, "loaning or renting games won’t be available at launch, but we are exploring the possibilities with our partners."

Xbox One will also allow you to give up to 10 family members access to "log in and play from your shared games library on any Xbox One."

You can always play your games, but only one of your family members can be playing from your shared library at a given time.


-----------------------------------

No thanks.


RE: It doesn't matter to me
By troysavary on 6/18/2013 8:06:07 PM , Rating: 1
The ability to share with family members is great for parents with kids in university. Good luck sharing that PS4 disk with your kids if they are in school on the opposite coast. Xbox One makes that easy. Or, in my case, having small kids, the ability to install the games on a HD and put the disc in a safe place is a game saver. So what if it needs to be online? My internet almost never goes down. The one time I lost it was due to an ice storm breaking the line and my provider fixed it the same day.


RE: It doesn't matter to me
By retrospooty on 6/18/2013 8:22:51 PM , Rating: 2
Sounds like the XB-One works for you. Enjoy it.


RE: It doesn't matter to me
By Motoman on 6/19/2013 3:32:16 PM , Rating: 3
People who surrender rights for convenience deserve neither.


RE: It doesn't matter to me
By retrospooty on 6/19/2013 5:33:53 PM , Rating: 2
Muhahahaha... Muhahahahaha.... Muhahahahaha........

http://www.slashgear.com/xbox-one-backtracks-on-ga...


RE: It doesn't matter to me
By althaz on 6/18/2013 8:59:43 PM , Rating: 2
He's talking about sharing games - there's no fee for that. Any 10 people you want to share a game with on your friends list, you can. For free. Any game. The poster above stated EXACTLY how it works. This has nothing to do with used games btw, you and 9 other people all get to play if just one of you purchases it. Only one person can play it at once (most likely, this part isn't actually 100% clear), but that's still a pretty awesome deal.

I don't disagree that not falling back to disc-based authentication is a pretty retarded move though. I, personally, would never have the need, but there's plenty that do.


RE: It doesn't matter to me
By retrospooty on 6/18/2013 10:21:51 PM , Rating: 2
It depends on how you look at it and what you want. This is the lowlights from the IGN article (linked above).

- You can only give Xbox One games to people who have been on your friends list for at least 30 days.

MMM... OK. And what a great rule that is. If I add my long time friend I have to wait 30 days becasue he wasnt my "xbox live friend? Nice.

- Each game can only be given once.


Arbitrary and ridiculous for material that was PURCHASED LEGALLY. So I buy a game for $60, play it and then give it to my friend who plays it, then when he tries to sell it he cannot? WTF?

- Microsoft allows you to gift games to friends but they can't "borrow" them. Microsoft says of this, "loaning or renting games won’t be available at launch, but we are exploring the possibilities with our partners."


WTF?

- You can always play your games, but only one of your family members can be playing from your shared library at a given time


As for your 10 family members, only one at a time. I suppose its nice in some situations, but the limitations above are just beyond comprehension to me for material that I own.


RE: It doesn't matter to me
By althaz on 6/19/2013 2:08:08 AM , Rating: 2
The majority of what you quote has nothing to do with the sharing feature, which is entirely seperate (according to Microsoft themselves, rather than IGN).

Sharing is an additional feature to these other terms, that lets you share your games with 10 "family" members. The only restriction is one person can play it at a time (although this isn't 100% clear from the documentation, it's implied and expected). They don't have to be family members either, or even in the same country as you :).


RE: It doesn't matter to me
By wempa on 6/19/2013 9:41:18 AM , Rating: 3

He is just pointing out that you are giving up a HECK of a lot to get this new "sharing" feature. Sure, sharing games with up to 10 people without worrying about discs can be nice. However, it's not worth giving up just about every other borrowing/reselling freedom we've had up until this point just to get this one "nice to have" feature.


RE: It doesn't matter to me
By Belard on 6/19/2013 1:32:42 PM , Rating: 2
The whole thing is a confusing mess. Afterall, if you NEED the disc to play, you can pop it in at any time... you know, like older consoles or the Playstation 4.

These restrictions and rules have done one simple thing: Makes the xbox01 NOT FUN.

Screw Microsoft, its another notch on their failure pole.


RE: It doesn't matter to me
By Roffles on 6/18/2013 4:16:39 PM , Rating: 2
It actually is that way with cars because some auto insurance policies require you to include/exclude drivers in your household and specify whether you drive your car for work/school/leisure. At least that's how my insurance policy works thru Mercury.

Analogies aside, the way I see it, Microsoft is stepping in on GameStop as the middle-man and they are using DRM and other restrictions to enforce it. No thank you.

For the past 6 years, about every 2 or 3 months, I have been paying the full $60+tax for a brand new premier game, playing it for two or three weeks, and then trading it back in to GameStop while it still has high resale value for ~$40-50... which I then apply to a few really cheap used top-tier games that I missed out on in $20-30 range. Then I play with those games for a month or two until the next big game comes out and I trade those in and start the process all over. I'm really never paying more than ~$20 for my games. This is the way I like it and GameStop allows this to happen. I have absolutely no intention of buying into Microsoft's new system.


RE: It doesn't matter to me
By Motoman on 6/18/2013 1:45:33 PM , Rating: 2
You might try looking at some of the earlier XBO articles here on DT. It's been discussed once or twice.


RE: It doesn't matter to me
By ShaolinSoccer on 6/18/2013 7:19:58 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
You're offering less for more. What are you thinking?!?


Doesn't matter to me. I'm waiting until Christmas or after Christmas sales to buy the 360 and PS3 for the first time. It's a win/win situation for gamers like me who waited.


RE: It doesn't matter to me
By althaz on 6/18/2013 10:44:50 PM , Rating: 2
How is it a win to get a console with inferior graphics that devs are going to stop making games for?

Maybe I just don't understand (or maybe you don't own a PC), but for me, the reason I own a console is that I want to play the cutting-edge console titles and multiplayer games that my buddies are playing. Nobody is going to be playing the XBox 360 in 18 months, and buying a console for that amount of time or less seems totally pointless.


RE: It doesn't matter to me
By TSS on 6/19/2013 10:13:20 AM , Rating: 2
They're thinking it doesn't matter because they're going to offer payment plans much like mobile phones.

If poor people can afford an iphone they can also afford an XBox one. Sony however you're gonna need that $400 up front.

... Can i juse state here how lowsy a name XBox One is? Aside from the obvious generation disparity, it shortens to XBone pretty nicely. And it's making me wonder what the next xbox is gonna be called. Xbox original?


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