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  (Source: Defense Ministry of Pakistan)
Obama has defended the use of drone killings to protect "security"; Snowden does livestream Q&A

Given that the Obama administration and its Republican "frienemies" have accused U.S. National Security Administration (NSA) leaker Edward Snowden of "Act(s) of Treason" for revealing U.S. efforts to spy on foreigners (PRISM) and track the locations/call records of 99 percent of Americans (FISA court orders), some wonder how far the nation will go to silence further leaks.

I. Democrats, Republicans: Snowden is "Traitor", Risk to "National Security"

Both parties seem relatively united in condemning Mr. Snowden as a "traitor" to his country for leaking the details on the government's efforts to erode citizens' Constitutional freedom to live their lives in privacy -- even as civil liberties groups call him a patriot.

Sen. Bill Nelson (D-Fla.) states, "What Edward Snowden did amounts to an Act of Treason."

Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.), reiterates, "I don't look at this as being a whistle-blower, I think it's an act of treason.  He took an oath - that oath is important. He violated the oath, he violated the law. It's an act of treason in my view."

Rep. John Boehner (R-Ohio) told Good Morning America, "He's a traitor."

Rep. Peter Kin
Rep. Peter King (R-N.Y.) and others suggest Snowden is a national security threat and must be silenced. [Image Source: CNN]

And U.S. Rep. Peter T. King (R-New York) comments, "I think action should be taken, especially on something of this magnitude.  I think something on this magnitude..  compromises national security."

II. Obama Administration: Drone Deaths Strikes OK to Protect National Security

The U.S. may have a difficult time extricating Mr. Snowden given that he's holed up at a safe house in a secret location in Hong Kong, China.  And given that some of his leaks reveal details of programs the U.S. used to spy on China, Chinese officials are reportedly hesitant to hunt him down.

The Obama Administration's Attorney General (AG) Eric Holder and President Obama have already endorsed the use of drone death strikes to kill Americans in "extreme" cases where "national security" is threatened.  Given the harsh rhetoric from both Congressional Democrats and Republicans (and the White House) some fear that Mr. Snowden could soon be targeted by such a strike, if his location is determined.

Predator missile
Some top officials believe the U.S. may use a drone death strike on Snowden.
[Image Source: Drone Wars UK]


Mr. Snowden appears to be still alive and well -- he is doing a live-stream Q&A today at 11 a.m. EST.

III. Rep. Paul Warns of Death Strike Possibility

Rep. Ron Paul (R-Texas), who is among the few in Congress to condemn the spying and praised Mr. Snowden's whistleblowing, voiced this concern telling Fox Business News, "I’m worried about somebody in our government might kill him with a cruise missile or a drone missile.  I mean we live in a bad time where American citizens don’t even have rights and that they can be killed, but the gentlemen is trying to tell the truth about what’s going on."

Ron Paul debates Obama
Ron Paul says that the spying was "certainly not patriotic" and was a victory for terrorists.
[Image Source: AP]

Rep. Paul has sounded the alarm in recent years about what he views as growing collusion between the Republican and Democratic parties to funnel money to special interests, build a military complex, and strip Americans of their Constitutional freedoms.

He stated during the 2012 election, "Democracy isn't all that healthy in this country because if you're in a third party... you don't get in the debates... And if you ever come to the conclusion -- heaven forbid -- that the two parties aren't all that different, then what is left really?"

Sources: Ron Paul [on Fox News], Guardian [Snowden Q&A]



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RE: As usual
By althaz on 6/17/2013 7:46:23 PM , Rating: 2
He should have taken his concerns to congress, that's the sort of thing your congressman is for.

This is nowhere near as bad as torturing people.

That said, if he'd taken it to his congressman and nothing was resolved, he certainly should have gone public with it.

Also - and I'm not from the US - but isn't the illegality of what he did based on the NDA he signed? If I understand things correctly, an NDA is a contract and if what the NSA was doing was illegal, then wouldn't any NDA regarding it be invalid? That's how it works in Australia at any rate.


RE: As usual
By MrBlastman on 6/18/2013 12:32:15 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
He should have taken his concerns to congress, that's the sort of thing your congressman is for.


OH, yeah, that will work!

Hahahahaha. Take it up with the same buffoons that passed the crap legislation in the first place?

Yup, blow the whistle to them. Paint a target on your back before anyone on the outside knows what is going on. If you dissapear, nobody will care.

Stuff like the Patriot Act can't be fought from the inside when the inside made it all up to begin with. Not when our system is as broken as it is at the moment. Rewind 250 years ago and maybe you could have. Things have changed a little bit since then...

What the NSA was doing was not "illegal," due mostly in part to legislation passed by our Congress. That though is up for question because while Congress passed it, the principle and spirit of the act violates the 4th Amendment of our Constitution.

So, you have to then question which holds more authority on the matter, the act or the Constitution? I'd argue the Constitution.

See, unless the Constitution is amended to support a provision of our law, it should in every single case supersede any law passed later. You don't "tread" on the grand document. It is everything to our country and without it, we wouldn't be much different from anywhere else. Too bad most people forget this.


RE: As usual
By CubicleDilbert on 6/18/2013 12:41:35 PM , Rating: 2
Sure. The GESTAPO administration in 1940 was also put in power by the parliament and its operations were "not illegal" at all.

The problem is, what is legal? Something a Congress in power sanctions to be put forward or something that follows common wisdom?
The only thing that can control a government is the constitution. If Mr. Snowdon chose the constitution instead of current government laws, he should be praised a patriot and hero. Don't you think so?


RE: As usual
By MrBlastman on 6/18/2013 12:52:17 PM , Rating: 2
He is a patriot and a hero.

The problem is he doesn't get to choose the Constitution or current laws. They do.

We're the imbeciles that voted them in and gave them their power. We all get to suffer now because of it. The saddest thing is the majority of the populace won't notice these infringements and violations of the Constitution until they really hit home--and by then, it will be beyond too late.

The average American cares only about when they can buy their next cheeseburger and fries, if they can have a bigger television than their buddy and who's playing in the next football/basketball/baseball game. This system of crap values was put in place by who?

None other than the "progressives" that have sought and succeeded in grabbing everything. Don't even begin to say: "Oh, well the Republicans will save us from them!" They won't. They're no different than the other side--they've just got another hue on their coats with a slightly different stump they preach from--but when you get down to the meat, the stuff in the middle, they're all for the same thing: Power and money.

You or I's freedom means nothing to them in their struggle. We aren't free to decide in their eyes. They've already picked for us and every little thing we ignore by letting them pass it--steps us closer to that cliff.

They toss us more cheeseburgers when we start to shake our heads from our stupor to throw us back into a coma once more.


RE: As usual
By BRB29 on 6/18/2013 1:20:36 PM , Rating: 2
Thank you for confirming that it's ultimately the people's fault if corrupted politicians exist. They are good at speaking and lying. If you voted for them based on a good speech then you're a fool. Don't blame your crappy life because you decided to vote based on party affiliations, commercial ads, or race. It seems like everyone is running around with the latest smartphone but they're too dumb to use the search function.


RE: As usual
By MrBlastman on 6/18/2013 1:32:59 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
It seems like everyone is running around with the latest smartphone but they're too dumb to use the search function.


"But it looks good and will get me laid!"

-- Joe Schmoe, circa 2013

What a sad place we're in right now.


RE: As usual
By BRB29 on 6/18/2013 1:37:31 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
What a sad place we're in right now.

lol yea, it's a shame but at least it's very easy for me to get a high pay job due to the amount of retards out there screwing up basic interviews. I try to look at the good side of things.


RE: As usual
By CubicleDilbert on 6/18/2013 12:36:24 PM , Rating: 2
Exactly, if the operations taken by government officials were illegal, is the signed NDA still valid?

Here the US government says it is.
In 1948 they said it is not. Just as it suits them.

SS officers also signed NDAs for their work in concentration camps. The work was legal (by the regime laws) and treason was an immediate death penalty. That's why the public hardly kwew about those camps.

Then in the Nuremberg trials the US lawyers said, the NDAs were not binding because the whole camp operations were illegal.
Illegal to the US, not to the nazi regime. Still, the US officers accused and sentenced the nazi officers.

Now Mr. Snowdon who uncovered an "illegal" operation is accused of treason????
He broke the law???

The US constitution is per se above the law!
Governments come and go and have very different interpretations of legality. That's why the constitution was written, partly for controlling governments going legally amok, just as the present situation.


RE: As usual
By BRB29 on 6/18/2013 1:16:57 PM , Rating: 2
I love it when people compare the US to the Nazi concentration camps. Yes, because the US is ran by a mentally insane dictator that's trying to conquer the world, spread the "master race" and used the jews to blame.

Last I checked, Muslim terrorists are blowing up people throughout the world. The US government has yet to herd millions into concentration camps. I also noticed that most of what Obama is trying to do never gets passed because the GOP literally said "we will not support regardless of what it is". Yea it's all over the news and there's official government websites tracks bills. You can look up any of them and it has all the information you need.

Maybe you guys should check all information and events rather than selectively reading only Jason Mick's sensationalism.


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