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It's only for the Chevrolet Volt and Nissan Leaf

Bosch is giving electric vehicle (EV) drivers a wireless charging option, and even new financing plans to help them afford it. 

Bosch Automotive Service Solutions teamed up with Evatran Group Inc. to offer a Level 2 240-volt wireless charging unit. It's only compatible with the Chevrolet Volt and Nissan Leaf for now, but will open up to other models later. 

Bosch recently announced its wired charging system, Power Max home charging. It only costs $449 while the new wireless system costs a whopping $3,000 -- but Bosch believes that convenience will be key to sales of the expensive wireless option.


“The main reason is convenience,” Kevin Mull, vice president of business development at Bosch Automotive Service Solutions told PluginCars. “We think this is a very viable future technology and over time, with advancements in technology, the price will start to come down.”

To help EV drivers who want the wired or wireless system, but can't afford it, Bosch is offering financing options. Option #1 includes $0 down with no monthly payments for 12 months if repaid in full in a year for charging stations that cost $1,000 or more. Option #2 offers $0 down and a five-year 2.99 percent loan on charging stations of $3,500 or more (including installation).

Source: Plugin Cars



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RE: If it sells, then good for Bosch
By cyberguyz on 6/15/2013 10:19:24 AM , Rating: 1
Who the frig cares?

You want to whine about inefficiency, look at the power supplies on your electronic equipment. The average desktop computer has a 15-25% power conversion loss pulling power from the wall (80 PLUS Bronze - 80 PLUS Platinum drops that down to just under 10%). The Average Dell, HP or Lenovo will be in the bronze range to reduce manufacturing costs. Hell, the charger for your laptop is about 10% power loss. How many people use computers for home and business? Compared to plug-in cars?

Personally I think 10% loss is pretty damn good for inductive power transfer. It is a hell of a lot better than what I listed just above. If I were driving an electric car, I would be all over this. Something that will save me the hassle of remembering to plug in my car? I park it at night in the middle of a huge rainstorm or blizzard, and sure as shit stinks the last thing I want to do is futz around plugging in the damn car! Just park the car in my driveway and it handles the charging business? Hell yeah! Sign me up baby!


RE: If it sells, then good for Bosch
By Motoman on 6/15/13, Rating: 0
By cyberguyz on 6/16/2013 9:59:09 AM , Rating: 2
And all people that think simply plugging in the car to the power grid as the only way to charge it are the biggest f%cktards of them all.

Learn to think outside the box son.


RE: If it sells, then good for Bosch
By superflex on 6/17/2013 12:20:18 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
The problem with your example is there's not anything the user is doing to increase the inefficiency of their PC.

Ever hear of overclocking a CPU, Copernicus?
Me thinks you just like to argue on the internet.


By Motoman on 6/17/2013 2:16:12 PM , Rating: 2
And how many people actually do that, Dipsh1ticus?

Methinks you have no valid points to bring up, and are digging for something else to say...because you like to argue on the internet.

Regardless, the "may as well do this wasteful thing since some other thing is wasteful too" argument is patently idiotic to start with.

So what if your PC isn't 100% efficient? That's not justification to waste *more* energy. Imagine if Congress passed a new budget that had a bigger deficit than the one we already have - "hey, we're already spending more than we have, so why not spend a little more?"

That's basically the argument you're making.

Also, PCs serve an important societal purpose. Saving 2 seconds because you didn't have to put a plug in a socket serves no purpose at all.


RE: If it sells, then good for Bosch
By FaaR on 6/16/2013 11:40:35 AM , Rating: 2
Who cares? Anyone with at least half a brain to their person, I should think.

By the way, your comparison isn't even valid in the first place. While desktop computers may have so-so efficient power supplies, at least they DO something with that power (run the computer, even if some of it is lost in the process), this is just electricity going up in smoke for no reason whatsoever. If put in the term of your silly comparison, it'd be like the power cord to your desktop computer burning off 10% of every watt going through it as heat, for no reason.

You don't need a wireless charger for your electric car. Don't be a ridiculous moron. In fact, you don't need a wireless charger for anything, it's a complete waste in every way.


RE: If it sells, then good for Bosch
By cyberguyz on 6/16/2013 1:43:38 PM , Rating: 2
You really aren't the sharpest tool in the shed are you there Flash.

Are you actually sitting there and trying to tell me that the computer you are writing your garbage on is 100% energy efficient? OMFG, Are you really that stupid? Don't have kids and you might qualify for a Darwin award when you die.

Let's try this another way since you don't seem to grasp the concept of energy efficiency.

How do you wash your clothes? Do you use a washing machine or do you take them down to the stream and beat them on a rock? You know, the latter is 100% energy efficient. Do you put your wet clothes in a dryer or are you hanging them up on a clothes line? Tell us which one wastes more energy. After all you con do both things in other ways that use none of the planet's resources. Taken that way both are a 100% waste of energy - not 10%... 100% .

So, are the folks who use washing machines or dryers morons because they are wasting energy? According to your faulty reasoning, they most certainly are.

Summary: You don't need a washing machine to wash your clothes. In fact you don't need a washing machine for anything - it is a complete waste in every way.

But which is more convenient (big tip here - take a note of this magic word)? People have been known to pay huge amounts of money in the name of convenience even if it means wasting energy.

Sure, wireless charging is less energy efficient than plugging in with a wire. So what? It is more convenient than remembering to plug in whenever you park. So is using a washing machine or a clothes dryer more convenient than their energy-friendly alternatives. People will determine if the convenience of a product outweighs the alternative methods of doing the same things even if there is a trade-off in energy consumption.


RE: If it sells, then good for Bosch
By Motoman on 6/17/2013 11:12:48 AM , Rating: 3
Here's more proof of why people like you are f%tards who really should just be deported before you do more damage to our society...

The fact that you clueless children keep bringing up washing machines and driers is utterly retarded. Washing machines and driers aren't simply "conveniences" similar to the a$s-smackingly profound apathy and laziness that would be required to use field-induction charging for you car instead of spending 2 seconds to plug it in.

Washing machines and driers, along with other relatively modern appliances, helped to double our available workforce. Before then, one household member (stereotypically the mother) would have to simply be at home all the time doing nothing but "housekeeping." Before the clothes washer and drier, wives would spend hours a day just on cleaning clothes. Having a washing machine and a drier meant that *hours* a day could be spent on something else...and eventually, with enough modern appliances, it became possible for women to enter the workforce and not be chained the household like a domestic slave.

And now you raging dipsh1ts are trying to compare wasting a billion dollars' worth of electricity a year by using field induction charging to having washing machines and driers? Who, exactly, is that going to liberate? How many hours of drudgery are you going to save every day by having that field induction charger?

Oh, that's right. None. A handful of seconds, at best. Probably 1% of the time it takes to put gas in a normal car. That's what you're going to save. While giving a giant "f%ck you" to our grid and the high cost of generating, distributing, and delivering power.

So no - THERE IS NO POSSIBLE COMPARISON between such appliances and what you ignoramuses are wanting to do with your field induction chargers. None at all. And the very notion that you think there is proves beyond the shadow of a doubt that you're hopelessly idiotic and really should be removed from the gene pool.

Any and all arguments in favor of field induction charging are *wrong* and there is no changing that irrefutable fact. So go f%ck yourselves.


RE: If it sells, then good for Bosch
By 7Enigma on 6/17/2013 12:12:32 PM , Rating: 2
HAHAHA, now we're at a billion dollars of wasted charging due to inefficiency? I love these magical numbers you come up with! I didn't know that my car outside is electric. Maybe I have an induction charger because I don't ever remember plugging it in, but maybe the "gas" I swear I fill up with is really energy water?

What ever you do, don't look at ICE or solar power. Those are nowhere near 90% efficiency....

Geez I hope someone got a hold of your account because you are coming off as a raving lunatic.


RE: If it sells, then good for Bosch
By Motoman on 6/17/2013 12:19:56 PM , Rating: 2
A billion dollars a year is a pretty defensible number if you assumed a largescale market base for EVs and they were using field induction charging.

I showed a pretty reasonable calculation above that NYC alone might toss out $60 million a year on their own.

As for your rant about "I didn't know my car was electric"...WTF are you smoking? Demonstrate to me where I said it was.

As for the continuing use of retarded comparisons to other invalid analogs, like ICE or solar power not being efficient either...

Firstly, I'm not saying they are. Secondly, it's irrelevant. Field induction charging would be net-new to our society, it would waste massive amounts of energy from an already overtaxed grid, and provide ZERO benefit to society. And of course, the manufacturing and distribution network for gas/diesel is a different one from our electrical grid - we're not teetering our grid because an ICE car doesn't get mileage that's up to your "standards."

Saving 2 seconds because you didn't have to plug a cord in is not a benefit to society.

The only thing "raving" around here is the depth of your stupidity.


RE: If it sells, then good for Bosch
By BRB29 on 6/17/2013 12:49:01 PM , Rating: 2
EVs charge mainly at night when power plants actually need people to use it because it's not easy to power down a plant.


By Motoman on 6/17/2013 1:03:22 PM , Rating: 2
Irrelevant. The point is that people here are advocating throwing away massive amounts of power because they think a few seconds of their time is more important. It isn't. And besides, if these things are in parking lots where you drive to work, then the recharge is happening during the day.

The amount of time saved plugging an EV in vs. putting gas in an ICE car is almost infinite anyway. A few seconds vs. a few minutes.

Plug your car in. No social good is served by saving those few seconds, and the waste is a big social detriment - regardless of when it happens.


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