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Toyota's Didier Stevens charging a plug-in Prius   (Source: plugincars.com)
Toyota Europe threatened to leave the electric vehicle market

Toyota Europe said it would abandon the electric vehicle (EV) market if electricity materials were not decarbonized for future cars. 

“We need to cooperate with the electricity providers so that what we present to the market, in its totality, is a clean solution, otherwise we’d prefer to step back,” said Didier Stevens, Toyota Europe’s head of government affairs and environmental issues.

“We always assess a vehicle from well to wheel. If the electricity is not sourced from renewables then it makes little sense.”

Stevens added that Toyota Europe is worried about energy policies and plans around Europe, criticizing the UK Parliament's lack of a decarbonisation target to its new energy bill and Germany's plan to put 1 million EVs on the road by 2020. 

If more and more of their electricity is going to come from coal, then this does not solve the problem. It just shifts the emissions to another area. This is not how it should be,” said Stevens. He also said that the effectiveness of electric vehicles successfully reducing emissions will depend on how much clean energy countries are using on their grids.

Stevens also mentioned that the UK wants a 50 percent reduction in emissions, but isn't in favor of a renewables target for the entire EU. 

“If renewable targets can help then why not,” said Stevens. “We don’t need to wait till its too late. We can do it now so why not. If the renewable targets are removed there will be serious question marks. Some pressure is always needed. Look at the progress made on CO2 emissions standards for cars, would that progress be made without targets? I doubt it.”

Toyota has mainly been working on hybrid and plug-in hybrid vehicles, but Stevens said the automaker would release an electric vehicle in Europe by 2015.

Just last month, Toyota announced that it would increase its lithium-ion battery production, ending its reluctance to use the technology in its mainstream hybrids. The plan calls for Toyota and Panasonic's partnership to build a new production line for about 20 billion yen ($194 million USD) in an effort to increase lithium-ion battery production to 200,000 per year. 

The lithium-ion batteries will replace the nickel-metal hydride batteries that Toyota currently uses in its hybrid cars. Lithium-ion batteries are lighter, smaller and offer greater driving range. 

Source: RTCC



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RE: Gee
By Reclaimer77 on 6/11/2013 2:28:28 PM , Rating: 2
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I'm pretty sure Toyota has the horse and the cart ready to go; they certainly have the capability to do so if its feasible for them.


Capability? Yes. However Toyota isn't a Government funded research company. They have to make profits. If EV's aren't as profitable and the consumers don't want them, why SHOULD they have to produce them?


RE: Gee
By BRB29 on 6/11/2013 2:46:00 PM , Rating: 3
Their Hybrid R&D was funding by the Japanese Government. I believe NiCD battery was partially funded by the US government.


RE: Gee
By Reclaimer77 on 6/11/2013 2:56:46 PM , Rating: 1
Uhhh that isn't even on topic or rebukes anything I've said.

Regardless of who helped fund the technology, every car Toyota produces represents an investment in capital. If there's no market for something, they lose money.

If the Prius was a sales flop, a disaster, do you think Toyota would be like "oh well no big, some Government helped fund part of that car."??

I'm just letting logic be the guide here. If the public was screaming for EV's, if they were selling out everywhere, if there was profit; do you really see Toyota making this statement? Hell no.


RE: Gee
By Mint on 6/11/2013 4:06:53 PM , Rating: 2
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if they were selling out everywhere, if there was profit; do you really see Toyota making this statement? Hell no.
Hell yes. They are spreading FUD to protect their Prius line from the coming threat of plugins which beat them at their own game of being green.

When the Spark EV comes out, you can buy it for about the same as a Prius-C, save more on gas every month, and go 0-60 in 7.6s instead of 11. The Leaf already quadruples the sales of Toyota's EVs.

Toyota's plugin options simply suck. The Prius Plug-in is way overpriced for what is basically a Prius with an extra 3.1 kWh of battery and a plug, and the RAV4 EV costs $50k.

My opinion is that Toyota thinks that if they had a good EV, then most of those sales would come from otherwise Prius owners. That's why the investment isn't worth it to them. Only when others grow the market will they jump in.


RE: Gee
By Spuke on 6/11/2013 7:18:14 PM , Rating: 2
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Hell yes. They are spreading FUD to protect their Prius line from the coming threat of plugins which beat them at their own game of being green.
What EV does Toyota make? I'm not familiar with it.

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When the Spark EV comes out, you can buy it for about the same as a Prius-C, save more on gas every month, and go 0-60 in 7.6s instead of 11. The Leaf already quadruples the sales of Toyota's EVs.
The Pruis C has WAY more space than the Spark. Not the same category of car. Oh and it's a hybrid not an EV.

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Toyota's plugin options simply suck. The Prius Plug-in is way overpriced for what is basically a Prius with an extra 3.1 kWh of battery and a plug, and the RAV4 EV costs $50k.
Toyota's plug-ins are hybrids and are in a different category than the Spark. No comparison can be made unless you're the type that compares Ferrari's to Fit's.


RE: Gee
By Mint on 6/12/2013 3:50:11 AM , Rating: 2
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What EV does Toyota make? I'm not familiar with it.
I misspoke and meant "plugin", not EV, but they do have the RAV4 EV which has very low sales. They're hoping to bump those up to 2k this year.
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The Pruis C has WAY more space than the Spark
Point taken, but it's 86 cu ft vs 87 in passenger volume, so it's mostly the cargo space.

I could have written almost the same thing about the Leaf vs. the Prius.
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Toyota's plug-ins are hybrids and are in a different category than the Spark.
Yes and no. Sure, most people do need range. But for those that don't, if the Leaf and Spark EV didn't exist, what would those car buyers purchase instead? The Toyota Prius/Prius-C would be at the top of their short list, right?

That's the point I'm making. They are Toyota's competition in low TCO green cars (which is really the only reason to buy the Prius).

As for the Prius Plugin, it's overpriced compared to even a regular Prius (3.1kWh doesn't cost $5k+), and offers 1/3rd the electric range of the C-Max Energi and 1/6th of the Volt's. It just isn't competitive, which is why sales are dwindling.


RE: Gee
By BRB29 on 6/11/2013 11:50:54 PM , Rating: 2
You said
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However Toyota isn't a Government funded research company

I said
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Their Hybrid R&D was funding by the Japanese Government. I believe NiCD battery was partially funded by the US government.

now you're saying
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Uhhh that isn't even on topic or rebukes anything I've said.


lmao are you retarded? Toyota is a government funded research company who sells cars to make profits.

You even confirmed it yourself by saying this
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Regardless of who helped fund the technology, every car Toyota produces represents an investment in capital.


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