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Majority approves of government tracking phone records (and by proxy location)

new study by the non-partisan Pew Research Center suggests that for all the attention paid by the media, social libertarians, and civil rights advocates regarding government spying, the majority of Americans are okay with their federal government spying on them to an extent.

The survey reports that 56 percent of Americans think its fine for the government to seize daily phone records of millions of Americans, most of whom have never committed a crime.  These records can be used to track a person's position over time. Only 41 percent of respondents opposed the seizures.

Further, nearly half of Americans (45 percent) want the government to monitor everyone's email to fight terrorism, while only a little more than half (52 percent) want to keep their email private.  This is nearly identical to 2002, when 45 percent of people supported email monitoring and 52 percent opposed it.

Perhaps unsurprisingly, partisan politics continue to be a route both of America's ruling parties use to convince people to embrace their bipartisan monitoring efforts.  In Jan. 2006, 61 percent of self-identified Democrats opposed monitoring, versus only 23 percent of Republicans.  At the time 75 percent of Republicans supported surveillance programs by the U.S. National Security Agency (NSA).

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Nearly one out of every two Americans is fine with the government tracking them and reading their email.  [Image Source: CNN]

Today, nearly twice as many Republicans (47 percent) oppose monitoring, while only about half as many (34 percent) Democrats oppose it.  It appears that for many Americans they only oppose the government spying on them if it’s the political party they don't like.  Similar trends are observed on the topic of email monitoring.

Also perhaps predictable is the fact that support of a police state and 24-7 surveillance increases with age.  Among people age 18-29, 45 percent think the government should prioritize privacy over security, while for individuals age 65+ only 25 percent feel privacy is most important.

Also interesting is the fact that only a fourth of Americans are monitoring the NSA news story closely -- less Americans than the NSA is authorized to monitor, ironically.  While older people tend to have the least opposition to government monitoring, counter intuitively they're following the news about the NSA leaks the closest.

The survey of 1,004 individuals was conducted by Princeton Data Source.  The results were weighted based on the demographics of the individual and census statistics.

Source: Pew Research Center



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RE: Defnition
By toffty on 6/11/2013 11:53:13 AM , Rating: 3
Thomas Jefferson:
quote:
A society that will trade a little liberty [freedom] for a little order [security] will lose both, and deserve neither.


So sad that the American people do not remember this quote.


RE: Defnition
By BRB29 on 6/11/2013 12:33:51 PM , Rating: 1
Except that quote contradicts Jefferson himself. He is a politician, government leader and President. Any form of government introduces order. You will lose some liberty for more protection because governments make laws. You are forced to pay taxes and abide by laws made by government for everyone. If you live in any land with a government then you have just traded liberty for order(security).

Let's not forget the vast scandals of him and his slaves.


RE: Defnition
By JasonMick (blog) on 6/11/2013 1:22:37 PM , Rating: 4
quote:
Except that quote contradicts Jefferson himself. He is a politician, government leader and President. Any form of government introduces order. You will lose some liberty for more protection because governments make laws.
Okay you've reached a new level of stupidity and arrogance dismissing the political wisdom of one of the most brilliant Founding Fathers.

Did Jefferson own slaves? Sure. Every rich white male did at the time, for the most part. Does that make his political opinions invalid? No.

Further your comment fails to recognize that order and freedom are not mutually exclusive. You don't have to sacrifice freedom for order/security. That's the WHOLE POINT of Jefferson's quote.

Your comment shows that you don't get his statement at all.

He's absolutely NOT suggesting you have to pick between order and freedom. He's saying a responsible/educated society, and a small, responsible federal government can accomplish both.

http://i.qkme.me/3ojtj2.jpg


RE: Defnition
By BRB29 on 6/11/2013 1:37:20 PM , Rating: 1
I did not take away anything from Jefferson. Jefferson has a point but it is not real in practice. There has not been one instance where you can gain order without sacrificing at least some liberty. It's always a trade-off and it changes with time and situation. As an educated and responsible society, you must decide when it is appropriate.

Let's be honest. Jefferson overall was a great man and did more good for this country than almost everyone that ever lived in the US. History books don't normally like to write about the bad things regarding our most influential historical leaders. Even with that, these things were mention here and there. Which means it was probably a big deal back then. What he did was perfectly legal back then. I'm just pointing out that he was another great man but still a human. People like to say "founding fathers...." like they were perfect. They were not perfect because they were humans. They were not 100% right like you want to believe. Their wisdoms back then worked out for the US tremendously in their times. We have many great Presidents since then that did great things and approached it completely different. You can't take anything away from them either.

This is another time in another situation with a whole new set of problems. Quoting historical famous lines does not help or even relevant to our current situation.


RE: Defnition
By ClownPuncher on 6/11/2013 2:47:03 PM , Rating: 2
True, freedom and liberty are somehow outdated because we have cellphones.

Am I doing this right, you statist crony?


RE: Defnition
By ritualm on 6/11/2013 6:42:45 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
There has not been one instance where you can gain order without sacrificing at least some liberty.

Oh really?

How many freedoms did we lose since September 11, 2001?
How safe were we, after losing all those freedoms?

I would rather die and be free, than live under the supervision - natch, overzealous eyes - of Big Brother. My freedoms are not available for trade, negotiation and bargaining, period. If you forcibly take such freedoms away from me under the convenient excuse of "security", I am not afraid to exercise those freedoms - up to and including killing you and paying the price of death to preserve them.

Man up, or live inside a prison for life. Your pick.


RE: Defnition
By BRB29 on 6/11/2013 9:11:47 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
I would rather die and be free, than live under the supervision - natch, overzealous eyes


Lol I love it when people say this because nobody have the balls to actually do this. If you think you have the balls then go to Afghan or places in south america where the government has no supervision.

Until then STFU


RE: Defnition
By ritualm on 6/11/2013 9:49:24 PM , Rating: 1
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Lol I love it when people say this because nobody have the balls to actually do this. If you think you have the balls then go to Afghan or places in south america where the government has no supervision.

Until then STFU

Lol, from an internet tough guy and armchair quarterback who refuses to walk his talk, and pot calling the kettle black.

You don't have the balls to stand up to your own values and beliefs, while attacking everyone else for being shills.

How's the warrantless surveillance over your intimate personal life going, Dianne Feinstein?


RE: Defnition
By BRB29 on 6/11/2013 10:19:28 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Lol, from an internet tough guy and armchair quarterback who refuses to walk his talk, and pot calling the kettle black.
You don't have the balls to stand up to your own values and beliefs, while attacking everyone else for being shills.


lol you should look over the comments again and see who is calling people shill. I'm also not the tough guy saying I would rather die than be supervised. You are hilarious

quote:
How's the warrantless surveillance over your intimate personal life going, Dianne Feinstein?

Wow lol I suppose my intimate life is all in emails and phone calls like yours. Sorry, I got home to a real woman and not one over a web cam like yours.


RE: Defnition
By ebakke on 6/11/2013 10:38:47 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
I'm also not the tough guy saying I would rather die than be supervised.
Free people are not "supervised". Slaves are.


RE: Defnition
By BRB29 on 6/11/2013 11:24:38 PM , Rating: 2
Free people are supervised every day. It's called a job and they get paid for it.

Slaves don't get jobs, they work involuntarily.

I suggest you leave this country if you hate being monitored so much. We have the tech and we have the power to do it. There's absolutely nothing stopping it at this moment or in the future. You can do whatever you want and take it all the way to the Supreme Court, it won't stop it.

It's not that I don't think it can't be stopped. I know the only people that hates it so much are people like you or reclaimer77 who screams and shouts but never got off their ass to accomplish anything. Ron Paul is your speaker and he looks like he's going to drop dead half way through his speech.


RE: Defnition
By ritualm on 6/11/2013 11:51:14 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Free people are supervised every day. It's called a job and they get paid for it.

Slaves don't get jobs, they work involuntarily.

The punishment for not doing their jobs is harsher for slaves than it would be for free people.

Why can we not have a safe society while also preserving the precious liberties our forefathers granted to us with their lives? Look at Israel. It's a relatively democratic state in the midst of a very hostile, autocratic region, with enemies camped out along its national borders. Its citizens enjoy great freedom, yet at the same time they are highly protected from danger.

Now look at America. We gave up a lot of our liberties, yet the country is increasingly more dangerous, not safer, ever since the Twin Towers fell. Best of all, we have a government whose various departments, agencies and repressive regimes are actively plotting against us, under the disguise of "national security".

Under the new "regime", you can be punished regardless of your nationality and residing country, simply because you ticked off a few American government officials abroad. Does this make your life safer?

You're a worthless pro-government shill. You tell us to shut our mouths, because you clearly believe your own backstabbing government can never ever do any wrong. Yep, you have gone full speed delusional retardation.

"If you see an official claiming 'Everything is going to be just fine.', it's time to RUN."
-- 2012 (the movie)


RE: Defnition
By BRB29 on 6/12/2013 12:02:47 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Why can we not have a safe society while also preserving the precious liberties our forefathers granted to us with their lives? Look at Israel. It's a relatively democratic state in the midst of a very hostile, autocratic region, with enemies camped out along its national borders. Its citizens enjoy great freedom, yet at the same time they are highly protected from danger.

WTF You must not be thinking about the same Israel. This must be in a dream.

quote:
Now look at America. We gave up a lot of our liberties, yet the country is increasingly more dangerous, not safer, ever since the Twin Towers fell. Best of all, we have a government whose various departments, agencies and repressive regimes are actively plotting against us, under the disguise of "national security".

What country are you comparing the US to? We actually have much more freedom than almost all 1st world countries and amongst the safest also.

quote:
You're a worthless pro-government shill. You tell us to shut our mouths, because you clearly believe your own backstabbing government can never ever do any wrong. Yep, you have gone full speed delusional retardation.

Coming from the guy that thinks Israel is a utopia of some sorts lol


RE: Defnition
By ritualm on 6/12/2013 12:19:01 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
What country are you comparing the US to? We actually have much more freedom than almost all 1st world countries and amongst the safest also.

For a country whose mainstream media has admitted to self-censorship over black-on-white racial violence because it would be politically incorrect to report straight facts to the people.

Safest? You're just pulling a clump of poop out of your ass and calling it a brick of 99.99% pure gold.

More freedom? Not by most accounts. Oh yeah, the guy who accused me of dreaming is himself living in a dream.

Pot, kettle, black.


RE: Defnition
By ebakke on 6/12/2013 12:19:19 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Free people are supervised every day. It's called a job and they get paid for it.
Are you serious? You're comparing supervision by an employer to supervision by a government? Those aren't even remotely close to equivalent and you know it.

Man, you are just a hack.


RE: Defnition
By Cheesew1z69 on 6/11/2013 10:44:47 PM , Rating: 2
Your mother doesn't count....


RE: Defnition
By ritualm on 6/11/2013 10:13:58 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Lol I love it when people say this because nobody have the balls to actually do this.

Wait until the President suspends the Constitution. Oh wait... by the time that day comes, it's already too late to rebel against a corrupt regime!

The number of people who have the balls to actually do this is far, far greater than "nobody". You are incorrectly assuming we'll all take in what the "friendly" government official says, that everything is going to be just fiiiiiiiiiiiiine...

Troll harder, kid.


RE: Defnition
By BRB29 on 6/12/2013 7:48:11 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Wait until the President suspends the Constitution. Oh wait... by the time that day comes, it's already too late to rebel against a corrupt regime!

lol this guy


RE: Defnition
By Reclaimer77 on 6/11/2013 3:09:09 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
Okay you've reached a new level of stupidity and arrogance


I find that every day he reaches that new level lol. No matter the topic. But yeah, his Government shill attitude is the most offensive.


RE: Defnition
By BRB29 on 6/11/2013 3:15:13 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
But yeah, his Government shill attitude is the most offensive.


You mean the same government that allows you to this? Man you must have it hard in this country.


RE: Defnition
By Reclaimer77 on 6/11/2013 3:30:59 PM , Rating: 2
That statement right there proves you absolutely fail as an American.

Read the Bill of Rights and Constitution again.

The Government doesn't "allow" me to do this. I have rights and freedoms that are inalienable to my person. The job of the Government isn't to grant these, but to PROTECT them! And the Government was designed to protect my rights FROM Government infringement above all things.

In fact if you actually read these documents, you would see the Founders were far more distrustful of the Government than any outside force or conqueror.


RE: Defnition
By BRB29 on 6/11/2013 3:39:20 PM , Rating: 2
they are protecting you right now.

maybe if people like you would do the proper research and vote for the right leaders.
maybe if you stop complaining and do something about it
maybe if you actually try to run for office
maybe there's a ton of things you could do

but instead, like a bunch of other people here, you decide to complain. Guess what, you lost your rights because you only whined.

If your rights were robbed by a bunch of people that got off their chairs, then it's your fault.


RE: Defnition
By Reclaimer77 on 6/11/13, Rating: -1
RE: Defnition
By Ushio01 on 6/11/2013 5:09:54 PM , Rating: 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8_fkPxdIE8

yeah the government does allow you to do this because if there was no government you wouldn't be doing anything but hiding from being murdered.


RE: Defnition
By Piiman on 6/15/2013 10:00:50 AM , Rating: 2
So unless you live in the woods alone like a caveman you've given up freedom? OK


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