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"Can't innovate anymore my ass!" -- Phil Schiller

Apple is definitely getting “Back to the Mac” with the announcement that it has achieved million Mountain Lion installs since launch; Tim Cook even bragged that Mountain Lion is approaching 40 percent penetration on Macs while Microsoft is struggling to meet 5 percent penetration with Windows 8.
But Mountain Lion is so last year; Apple is already working on its successor, OS X 10.9 Mavericks. Apple is moving away its "cat themed" names and is instead looking to points of interest in California to carry it through the next decade of desktop/notebook OS development.

Finder Tabs
Mavericks will of course have a ton of new features including Maps, tabbed browsing for Finder, enhanced support for multiple displays, and a big focus on improving battery life for notebooks. And although Safari isn't exactly a "sexy" piece of the OS X equation, Apple has brought a wealth of changes to the browser aimed at improving battery life and improving page rendering performance.

 Battery life enhancements (L), new features in Safari (R)

Apple also announced new MacBook Airs that have "all-day" battery life. The new MacBook Airs are built around Intel's new Haswell CPU architecture, and as a result offer 12 hours of battery (13" model) and 9 hours of battery life (11" model). The notebooks now include 802.11ac support and PCIe-based SSDs. The 11" will start at $999 with 128GB of storage while the 13" model will start at $1099 with 128GB of storage.

The biggest hardware announcement, however, came in the form of the new Mac Pro. This totally redesigned professional workstation totally throws out the rulebook when it comes to desktops with a cylindrical design.
Phil Schiller took this opportunity to exclaim, "Can't innovate anymore my ass!". This is obviously a retort to the score of people that say that Apple has lost its way.

The new Mac Pro will support up to 12-core configs of Intel's next generation Xeon processors.1866MHz DDR3 memory, PCIe flash (1.25GBps reads, 1GBps writes), six Thunderbolt 2 ports, and dual AMD FirePro workstation GPUs.
The new Mac Pro will debut this fall and will be built in the United States.

Source: Apple

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Mac "Pro" Epic Fail
By Shadowself on 6/10/2013 4:37:02 PM , Rating: 2
Will Apple sell many of the new Mac Pro machines? Yes. Those who have invested a lot of money in Mac software and work flows but don't care about expandability will buy one. The little we know about the specs so far make it a significant upgrade to the current Mac Pro (which is hopelessly out of date).

However, if, as it appears, all the components (CPU, GPU, etc.) are permanently installed, upgrading the system in a year or so when new components come online (e.g, GPUs) will be impossible. -- And don't even think about hanging a very high end graphics card off the Thunderbolt 2 I/O. Thunderbolt 2 is no where near as fast as PCIe 3 x16. Not even in the same ballpark.

And what variant of the ATI FirePro is going to be installed. Apple does not say. Those chips run from about $200 to $1,500 each (depending on version and quantity purchased). I doubt Apple is going to even offer the highest end. So once again, you're limited to the graphics chips that Apple offers. Plus the nebulous 2.5x performance statement: The current highest end graphics card sold by Apple for the Mac Pro is the 5870. A jump to any mid range (and in some benchmarks even low end), current ATI FirePro can best the 5870 by 2.5x -- especially in the dual chip variant mentioned.

Apple tried to make a consumer device out of a workstation and ended up with the worst of both worlds.

RE: Mac "Pro" Epic Fail
By web2dot0 on 6/10/13, Rating: 0
RE: Mac "Pro" Epic Fail
By embedded_bill on 6/10/2013 10:35:14 PM , Rating: 2
Apple delivers what they compromised, it'll be a hit

I assume you mean if apple delivers what they promised...

Granted it may be a hit those things are hard to predict, it's a radical departure and apple is hit and miss on their radical departures
iPod - hit
iPhone - hit
iPad - hit
iTunes - hit

ping - miss
mobile me - miss
g4 cube - miss

Two things the hits and misses all had in common:
1. Apple made grand promises
2. They were all heavily panned

Just doing my part panning the Mac Pro...

FYI I'm not a mindless Apple hater, like most folks who post here where Apple is concerned. I purchased the following in my household:
mid 2011 27" i7 iMac
mid 2011 i7 Mac Mini
late 2011 i7 13" MBA
mid 2013 i7 15" rMBP

All good machines, all customized at the time of ordering, the iMac and mini with added SSDs after. Only one that does not have Windows 7 Bootcamp, the MBA.
My previous MBP lasted nearly 5 years before I gave it away. I like Apple, I'm very skeptical of the Mac Pro. "PRO" systems have always been function over form, Apple accommodated this in the Mac Pro as their one exception to an otherwise form over function company. Not any more.

RE: Mac "Pro" Epic Fail
By Shadowself on 6/11/2013 9:26:12 AM , Rating: 2
Yes, most Mac Pro users don't use more than two GPUs, but even Apple sells a build to order configuration with more than that in their current Mac Pro.

Also, with PCIe expansion slots you can run the current Mac Pro with Nvidia Titans in it. How much do you want to bet that it will be a cold day in hell before there are custom upgrade graphics cards for this machine when it it 2-3 years old? AND it is extremely unlikely that Apple will actively support such upgrades.

And, for those that use high end GPUs in these kinds of machines, they don't use them for gaming. They use them for computation. Yes, a theoretical peak of 7 TFLOPS is great -- TODAY, but what about two to three years from now? The Mac Pro, using external, Thunderbold 2 driven boxes, won't be able to keep up with PCIe 3 x16 cards in a couple years. To get into the top of the league in two to three years you'll need to purchase an all new Mac Pro.

RE: Mac "Pro" Epic Fail
By lukarak on 6/11/2013 8:08:27 AM , Rating: 2
They did mention up to 4096 processors, which would make it somewhere in the ballpark of 2x W9000. Which is the highest end.

A little less asumption would do you good before you embarrass yourself.

RE: Mac "Pro" Epic Fail
By Shadowself on 6/11/2013 9:39:02 AM , Rating: 2
Yes, if they do support the W9000 that is very likely a build to order configuration -- not the base version. Yes, that is very, very good for computation -- TODAY. What about a year or two or three from now? Will there be third party upgrade cards for this custom design? It is extremely unlikely.

And, just to show that you are embarrassing yourself, the W9000 is NOT the highest end of the FirePro line. That's the S10000.

People who buy true workstation class machines don't buy them just for today. They buy them to evolve them until it is no longer practical or cost effective to do so. Buying a Mac Pro with a 5870 then swapping it out for a Titan a year or two later is much more cost effective than buying a whole new Mac Pro.

"What would I do? I'd shut it down and give the money back to the shareholders." -- Michael Dell, after being asked what to do with Apple Computer in 1997

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