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Microsoft said mobile devices are used just like PCs

A Microsoft executive said that we're not in a post-PC era: iPads and other mobile devices are PCs. 
Frank X. Shaw, Corporate Vice President of Corporate Communications at Microsoft, recently visited the 11th edition of the All Things Digital conference (D11) and said that PCs are still alive and well.
In a blog post, Shaw wrote that Walt Mossberg and Kara Swisher (both technology columnists for The Wall Street Journal) spoke at D11 about what it means to be in a post-PC era.
As Shaw listened to them speak, he noticed that the rest of the room was using a myriad of mobile devices like iPads. But he noted that these iPads and other tablets were being used just like a laptop, with a physical keyboard attached, a network connected, documents being created and tweets being posted.
“The form factors are different, but let’s be clear, each is a PC,” wrote Shaw. “Many of those form factors are more mobile, and look different from the traditional desktop PC, but the same core idea drives it – personal in nature, used for work and for play, runs applications, connected to a network… etc. No matter what label you put on them, they are personal computing devices.”
Shaw went on to toot Microsoft’s horn a bit, saying that Microsoft has the second highest number of unique visitors to its Internet properties (according to a study by Mary Meeker at Kleiner Perkins Caufield & Byers) and mentioning that the future of television isn’t Apple TV or Google’s TV, but the Xbox.
Shaw even addressed Windows Phone, which is trying to compete in a market dominated by Apple and Samsung.
“Admittedly, our great competitors in this market, Apple and Samsung primarily, have earned significant share,” wrote Shaw. “But while some want to suggest it’s game over in the smartphone market, Mary’s report makes it clear that it’s about the second inning in a nine-inning game, or about the 15-minute mark in a futbol match. As our recent Windows Phone ad points out, the iPhone and Android aren’t the only options for smartphone purchasers.
“And as Michael Stroh pointed out on our Windows Phone Blog, this year, the Nokia Lumia 920 with Windows Phone 8 won Engadget’s Smartphone of the Year prize; Windows Phone 8 swept the mobile OS category in PCMAG’s Reader’s Choice Awards; and Gizmodo concluded the Lumia 920’s camera was tops among smartphones, particularly in low light. And that phone and camera just keep getting better and better.”

Microsoft recently mocked the iPad in a commercial for the ASUS VivoTab Smart 64GB. The commercial pokes fun at the fact that Siri seems to be a "more talking, less doing" sort of assistant that has trouble understanding what you ask it. Meanwhile, a user breezes through several tasks on the VivoTab while Siri attempts to figure out what you want from it. 
Shaw concluded that the PC hasn’t gone anywhere. Tablets and other mobile devices, for all intents and purposes, are used the same way as PCs – just more mobile.

Source: TechNet

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Everything is a computer these days.
By Motoman on 5/31/2013 11:40:50 AM , Rating: 2
Cell phones are computers. Tablets are computers. If you have a smart TV or even a fancy Blu-Ray player, you might be able to make a reasonable argument that it's a computer.

Buddy of mine has a Droid of some sort and the DroidDock laptop thing. He works for IBM - is a big-time software technician. The majority of what he ever needs to do he can do from his phone with the dock. The phone is more than powerful enough to drive pixels to a 17" screen (or so...looks big to me) and for all the email, internet, whatever he would do it's just fine. No need to pull out the laptop unless actual software work needs to get done.

Tablets are laptops...minus a keyboard. Although people often add a keyboard to them when they want to create something, as opposed to just consume. We need to stop with the "OMG tablets are killing comptuters!" thing and realize that tablets are simply a new form factor of computer. And a relatively flexible one...granted that you don't have as much body to work with, you can't really make any given tablet as powerful as a laptop, but as noted even if the tablet you have isn't a convertible already, you can turn it into a laptop very easily for very little money with a 3rd party keyboard folder and maybe a BT mouse.

The industry needs to wake up and smell the coffee...these new form factors of computers are selling like hotcakes. Dell, HP, et al need to start *really* participating in that market. Because whether or not people are actually buying a tablet *instead* of a laptop (I've never seen anyone who owned a tablet and not a laptop, but still)...that's where the growth is.

I've been saying this all along. Not sure if people get it. Tablets and smartphones aren't replacements for computers. They *are* computers. And the traditional desktop/laptop OEMs need to get with the program. The future will involve all of these form factors of computers...desktops, laptops, tablets and smartphones. And if you're an OEM and only producing one or two of those form factors...well, you're missing out now aren't you?

By hughlle on 5/31/2013 11:57:34 AM , Rating: 2
Indeed. It is common sense that it is a computer. The very definition of computer would rather indicate this.

I have my tablet plugged into my tv with an hdmi cable, and i control it using a dinovo edge. there is a cursor i can move, and i can type, and well. It would be interesting for someone to point out how this isn't a computer. Or is it that the moment i unplug it and turn off the keyboard, it changes from being a computer to a tablet? Which would be to say that if you used a desk docking station for a laptop, the device is no longer actually a laptop until you remove it from the desk again.

RE: Everything is a computer these days.
By aliasfox on 5/31/2013 3:53:47 PM , Rating: 2
I have a tablet, but no (modern) laptop of my own anymore. When I bought my iPad in 2010, I needed something I could easily take on vacation, had GPS, and didn't have to worry about the battery if I used it constantly on flights or buses. I debated buying that or an iPod Touch. Three years later, it's my primary home-computing device - not something I had considered when I first bought it.

Sure, I fire up the tower when I need to do tab-heavy browsing (home shopping, for example) or some old games, but it's hooked up to the TV (and only the TV) for a reason - its primary use is Hulu or Netflix-ing something.

The iPad's a little slow by today's standards, but will I replace it with a laptop? Probably not. Tablets still have longer battery life, half the weight, and options for built in 3G/4G and GPS compared to ultrabooks. All of that means I can comfortably use it in coach, on the commuter train, and yes, on the can.

Today's tablets have 4x the processor and 20x the GPU power of my iPad, so if that was good for 90% of my normal computing needs, then a newer one with faster specs and more mature OS should cover even more of what I need.

RE: Everything is a computer these days.
By Motoman on 5/31/2013 8:40:52 PM , Rating: 2
That's fine. But what that says is you never create anything...don't do much that requires typing and/or usage of a mouse.

Which is really odd. But hey...if you're just a pure consumer, then that works for you.

By aliasfox on 6/4/2013 10:56:58 AM , Rating: 2
At home? To be honest, very little. Again, anything that requires a computer I still have my tower, but the vast majority of the time it's relegated to Netflix/Hulu duty. I fire up the computer (and use it as a computer) when I need to do heavy browsing, a bit of photo editing, and... that's about it. Maybe some very occasional light gaming? Honestly, I don't think I even have Microsoft Office installed on this tower - if I ever need to do that kind of work, I can stay a few extra minutes and type something up/do a few calculations after work. Four Core 2 Duo cores (two Xeons), 4GB of RAM, a 10k RPM HDD and a Radeon 5870 really don't get used to their full potential here...

I'm not denying a real keyboard/mouse aren't useful when I'm working in SAS or Excel all day at work, but I (and I assume most) people try to avoid doing too much of that stuff when they don't have to. Would I be happy with a tablet as my sole computer? No. But as a primary computer 5-6 days a week? Yeah, it works well enough.

By Reclaimer77 on 6/2/2013 1:50:52 PM , Rating: 2
Not that I disagree with the premise of your argument, however in reality it seems more often than not participating in the tablet market has cost OEM's more than it's gained them. Smartphones as well. There's only a handful of manufactures even making a profit there.

Now someone will respond by saying "just make something as good as the iPad", as if that gross over-simplification even remotely highlights the reality of doing so.

Even if you accomplish this on the hardware end, you still have millions of people beholden to an ecosystem that your device might not be running.

The industry needs to wake up and smell the coffee...these new form factors of computers are selling like hotcakes.

Sure, but aside from Apple, is there a whole lot of profit in these sales? The Kindle Fire's are basically sold at cost. So is the Nexus line.

For Amazon and Google, this is fine. Because they have ecosystems to guarantee profit on the back end through services and adds and what not.

But what's in it for Dell, as an example, in trying to compete here? They have no experience in a proprietary ecosystem buildup to compete with Android or iOS. The best they could hope for is a competitive tablet running Android, being sold at a meager profit (because Google and Amazon have driven the expected cost so low already).

I don't agree that every computing company out there needs to offer tablets and smartphones. That's just unrealistic.

And the OEM's are all witnessing the colossal cost of doing so. Microsoft has wasted billions on Windows Phone and Surface so far. Are they any better off today than when they started years ago? No, not really.

By BifurcatedBoat on 6/5/2013 7:14:43 PM , Rating: 2
The growth is there because there are a lot of people who don't own one yet. Or if they do own one, it's significantly slower than the new ones that are just coming out. How long is that going to continue though?

PC sales are down because there is little advantage in upgrading. A brand new desktop is not all that much faster than a 3-year old desktop. Logically, it doesn't make sense to go out and spend $2,000 on something new that's no better than what you already had. But soon mobile will get there as well.

"We don't know how to make a $500 computer that's not a piece of junk." -- Apple CEO Steve Jobs

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