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ATI and NVIDIA both onboard for Samsung 80nm GDDR4

Samsung Semiconductor Incorporated has just announced that the company has started mass producing its GDDR4 memory for graphics cards.  GDDR4 is now JEDEC sanctioned and commercially “ready” for video card manufacturers.  GDDR4 is the memory successor to GDDR3 -- both of which are unrelated to the JEDEC DDR3 memory standard.

The new GDDR4 memory has a data transfer rate around 2.4Gbps on a 32-bit bus.  Samsung is shipping the new 80nm memory in 512Mb configurations, which is likely configured in 16x32 layouts.  Samsung also claims that this 2.4Gbps GDDR4 showed a 45% power savings when compared to 2.0Gbps GDD3.  The reduction in power is clearly a welcomed trend.

"We're delighted that we'll be able to use GDDR4 from Samsung in our latest graphics cards,"."Samsung's timely introduction will increase the performance of our upcoming products and ultimately improve the gaming experience for our users,” claimed Joe Macri, ATI Senior Director of Engineering.

ATI is expected to launch its R580+ graphics card before the end of the year.  This card is essentially the R580 (Radeon X1900) ASIC with GDDR4 memory – which was built into the R520 and R580 design from the start.  NVIDIA has GDDR4 on its roadmap for the next generation GPUs scheduled for sampling this fall as well.

Samsung isn’t the only player in the GDDR4 market: Hynix just announced the company would completely refocus its DRAM efforts specifically on graphics memory.  More importantly, Hynix has already announced its GDDR4 is running at 2.9Gbps – a feat Samsung would have to best if it is to stay the number one DRAM supplier.



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Not so fast
By Nik00117 on 7/5/2006 10:10:09 AM , Rating: 2
Thats why you should save up a fair bit of money and upgrade one big time, instead of smaller increasements. I'm sure this GPU will support DX10 which I am waiting for. Here comes G80 :)




RE: Not so fast
By Pirks on 7/5/2006 10:41:34 AM , Rating: 1
quote:
Thats why you should save up a fair bit of money and upgrade one big time, instead of smaller increasements.
Any numbers to prove this?


RE: Not so fast
By dice1111 on 7/5/2006 11:11:22 AM , Rating: 3
I totally aggree. Save up and buy a computer that will have all the features out there and keep it for around 3 years. That is what I have been doing.

Since technology changes so fast, buy the best you can at the time then 3 years later you still have a great PC. By then, chipsets and sockets will change and you don't have the headache about upgrading, just buy the next best pc you can.

You'll also have a 2nd computer to sell/file serve or pawn off on a family member for e-mail. I've seen three generations so far, and I don't have a mutt for a PC.

The only thing I've done is slap in more RAM.


RE: Not so fast
By Trisped on 7/5/2006 2:09:21 PM , Rating: 2
It is cheaper to buy more medium to low end PCs then buy one big one and keep it for 3-5 years.
Video cards are a perfect example. You can buy an x1600 for about $100. Sure it sucks compared to a x1900XTX, but you can buy 4-5 cards over the next 3-5 years and still pay the same. In addition, you will end up with a better card that supports all the new features, uses less power, and runs cooler/quitter.

And don't worry about tech leaving you behind. The AGP/PCIe transition happened what, 2 years ago, and they are still selling medium and high end AGP cards.


RE: Not so fast
By gramboh on 7/5/2006 2:46:14 PM , Rating: 2
But that analysis ignores the value placed on performance.

If you buy an X1900XTX today, you get absolute top level performance in all games until a new card comes out with significantly better performance.

If you buy an X1600 you will never achieve top level performance, and the same will be true as you replace the card with other X1600 equivilants down the road.

I'm in the 3 year camp myself. In May 2003 I built a Northwood P4 2.6C @ 3.25GHz, 1GB Corsair XMS3500, Radeon 9800. Since then I have added a few hard drives, a DL DVDRW, another gig of RAM (in April) and sold the 9800 to buy a 6800GS AGP. The system is still blazing fast in desktop usage and gaming performance is still great.

I think the system cost me around $1600CDN at the time I built it and I have put another $400-600 in terms of video card, RAM, new 19in CRT and hard drives.

I will probably build a ~$2k Core 2 Duo system in the fall/winter whenever the next generation of video cards comes out and it will last for 3 years with top of the line performance for the first year.


RE: Not so fast
By saratoga on 7/5/2006 5:53:14 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
But that analysis ignores the value placed on performance.


No more so then yours does.

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If you buy an X1900XTX today, you get absolute top level performance in all games until a new card comes out with significantly better performance.


And second rate performance thereafter.

quote:
I'm in the 3 year camp myself. In May 2003 I built a Northwood P4 2.6C @ 3.25GHz, 1GB Corsair XMS3500, Radeon 9800. Since then I have added a few hard drives, a DL DVDRW, another gig of RAM (in April) and sold the 9800 to buy a 6800GS AGP.


How is that the 3 year camp? You waited 2 years and bought a midrange part, exactly like the poster you quoted suggested!


RE: Not so fast
By dice1111 on 7/6/2006 11:34:41 AM , Rating: 2
I believe he is saying that he was an upgrader, and has now switched over to being in the 3 year camp.


RE: Not so fast
By creathir on 7/5/2006 6:03:56 PM , Rating: 2
Very true...
Though I deviated from this when I went from my 9700 Pro (the best video card purchase I have EVER made... what a fantastic card) to a 6600 GT (switch to a PCIe platform)

Though I did eventually at the second 6600 for some SLI performance, it still gets SMOKED compared to a SINGLE 7800. Even a 6800 at the time of purchase could equal a pair of 6600s.

Next time around I will be getting the top end once again... hoping to have as much success as I did with my 9700 Pro.

- Creathir


RE: Not so fast
By creathir on 7/5/2006 6:07:40 PM , Rating: 2
Good grief...
http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.html?i=1683

That was that long ago! What a great card...
(I was one of the "few" Anand talked about in being able to purchase the card when it came out... but got a heck of a deal on it)

- Creathir


RE: Not so fast
By AnotherGuy on 7/6/2006 1:53:51 AM , Rating: 2
What relle matters is the time u buy that top end or whatever part... Never go with the newest 1, coz ur money will be burnt real fast... i like to wait a few months.... coz 10 fps more a month ahead, will not make my life any better... while maybe a hundred bucks saved, might...

p.s. That goes to the middle class :P


Nice
By Enron on 7/5/2006 11:03:43 AM , Rating: 2
I'm wondering if ATI worked with Samsung in developing GDDR4 like they did with GDDR 3. Anyway ATI's ring bus has been ready for GDDR4 for a while now.




RE: Nice
By Master Kenobi (blog) on 7/5/2006 12:35:53 PM , Rating: 2
More than likely they did, as ATI is a chipset and board provider, I'll bet that at the very least, they were onboard with Samsung for a while now and were able to ready their designs accordingly. nVidia may not have, since they only design, but the suppliers for nVidia might have also been on board.


PCI and AGP
By nerdboy on 7/6/2006 4:46:42 PM , Rating: 2
They tryed to stop producing AGP cards. ATI and Nvidia both stop for like a month and people that still had AGP where pissed off because they still had AGP and wanted better cards. That why the 6800 ultra for AGP where going for like 450-600 dollars for a month and when the 7800 AGP was Released they went back down to 250-300.




JESUS CHRIST!!! SO FAST
By Blackraven on 7/5/06, Rating: -1
RE: JESUS CHRIST!!! SO FAST
By Blackraven on 7/5/2006 10:09:39 AM , Rating: 2
P.S.

Speaking of which, maybe these will be part of the new graphics cards that will support DirectX 10 and all those next generation graphics/video/high-definition whatever.

----------------

And I suspect that before the end of the decade, companies will be shipping GDDR5.



RE: JESUS CHRIST!!! SO FAST
By saratoga on 7/5/2006 5:50:50 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Speaking of which, maybe these will be part of the new graphics cards that will support DirectX 10 and all those next generation graphics/video/high-definition whatever.


Yeah its probably a safe bet that future GPUs will use future memory.

quote:
And I suspect that before the end of the decade, companies will be shipping GDDR5.


Yeah its also a safe bet that new versions will be released.


RE: JESUS CHRIST!!! SO FAST
By PLaYaHaTeD on 7/5/2006 10:51:52 AM , Rating: 4
quote:
Waaah.........Waaah....Waaah


Do you realize how much crying you did in that post?


"Well, we didn't have anyone in line that got shot waiting for our system." -- Nintendo of America Vice President Perrin Kaplan

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