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But Lenovo fears customers just don't want cheaper ARM products

Lenovo this week announced the availability of a "Yoga" convertible laptop with Intel Corp. (INTC), dealing another blow to the embattled Windows RT.

Sales of Windows RT hybrids/tablets/laptops have quite simply stunk.  In Q1 2013, only a meager 200,000 of the devices made their way into consumer hands.  OEMs like Samsung Electronics Comp., Ltd. (KSC:005930), The Lenovo Group, Ltd. (HKG:0992), Dell Inc. (DELL), and Acer Inc. (TPE:2357) -- have attacked the OS [1][2][3][4] blame poor legacy software support and poor marketing by Microsoft.

The Lenovo case is a particularly interesting one.  Early on the Chinese OEM was bullish on Windows on ARM (WOA), showing off the NVIDIA Corp. (NVDA) Tegra 3-based IdeaPad Yoga 11 and complaining that Intel-based devices would be up to $300 USD more expensive.  But of late it's complained that business don't want Windows RT tablets/convertibles due to legacy compatibility concerns.

It appears Lenovo right on both counts -- Intel continues to struggle with price points, but customers still prefer its products (perhaps that's part of why PC sales saw their biggest percentage drop in history last quarter).

Lenovo this week announced an Intel-powered version of the 11.6-inch convertible/hybrid laptop-cum-tablet Yoga.  The Intel Yoga is at least $240 USD more than the Tegra 3-based Yoga, which currently retails for around $560 USD.

With identical screen, form-factor, and body design to the ARM-based Yoga, the new Intel-based Yoga merely varies in OS version and the driving CPU chip.


The entry-level Windows 8 Core i3-3229Y (Ivy Bridge) dual-core model starts at $800 USD; a high-end Core i7-3689Y (dual-core) will fetch $1,349.99 USD (and also come with an upgrade to Windows 8 Pro).  Both 4 GB and 8 GB DRAM options, as well as 128 GB and 256 GB SSD storage options are available.  There's no discrete graphics -- the relatively "low resolution" 1,366x768 11.6-in. LED backlit screen is driven by the on-die HD 4000.

Even as Microsoft Corp. (MSFT) and company reaffirm their commitments to Windows RT, it appears that Lenovo is moving on, even if its pricing takes a hit.

Source: Lenovo



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No surprise
By BRB29 on 5/17/2013 12:05:27 PM , Rating: 1
Android = free
win8 = expensive

ARM = cheap
Intel = expensive




RE: No surprise
By retrospooty on 5/17/2013 12:08:56 PM , Rating: 5
But... The ability to run x86 apps to do actual work: Priceless.

I love my mobile toys as much as the next guy, but I know they are just "toys". To get any real work done in most any company in the world, its x86 or nothing.


RE: No surprise
By BRB29 on 5/17/2013 12:41:41 PM , Rating: 2
lol yep still a toy. No point in paying $240 extra for it. Use that money to increase your laptop budget ;)


RE: No surprise
By Ammohunt on 5/17/2013 1:14:05 PM , Rating: 1
Funny I do my "real" work on Linux daily. I can give a rats ass what CPU Architecture drives it.


RE: No surprise
By BRB29 on 5/17/2013 1:37:29 PM , Rating: 2
lol there's always one.


RE: No surprise
By retrospooty on 5/17/2013 1:48:55 PM , Rating: 3
Great... It works for one guy at one company... Take your Linux box to any other company and see how well it works.

How is that planning, purchasing, inbound logistics, warehousing, shop floor, shipping, accounting, reverse logistics, CRM software etc etc working? Oh, that's right, it doesnt exist on anything but Windows x86 with few exceptions. .


RE: No surprise
By Ammohunt on 5/17/13, Rating: 0
RE: No surprise
By BRB29 on 5/17/2013 2:50:23 PM , Rating: 3
Yes. The vast majority of the labor force does not use Linux. Our jobs requires computers to work. It is not to work on computers.

Good job, you're in IT. You can think you're smarter than everyone else. Everyone thinks you're just support when their machine doesn't work. Don't be so arrogant.


RE: No surprise
By Ammohunt on 5/17/2013 6:12:59 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Good job, you're in IT. You can think you're smarter than everyone else. Everyone thinks you're just support when their machine doesn't work. Don't be so arrogant.


Didn't mean to come off arrogant its a sommon problem in IT circles that I don't have. That being said I am considered an expert in my field and frankly dumbfound by some of the statements on this particular thread. Linux does real work everyday I know because I am the guy that helps put it to work.


RE: No surprise
By ebakke on 5/18/2013 10:40:03 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Don't be so arrogant.
Do you fancy yourself the pot, or the kettle?

I think you'd be absolutely astonished to know how many computers run Linux every day and how many people use those for productive use.


RE: No surprise
By maugrimtr on 5/20/2013 9:22:01 AM , Rating: 2
I do office work (which I wish would go away so I can focus on my real work in development) on a Ubuntu PC...billing, invoicing, time recording, etc. I fear that legacy when it comes to x86 Windows tends towards "OMG, it doesn't have Internet Explorer 6 - out internal apps will break!".

Our CRM, etc and several other business services run from a browser instance using Java. They look, feel and perform like something cranky and really old.

Works fine on Linux if updated correctly (i.e. blame your own company's IT dept. if it won't work outside of XP/Vista/IE6). You really should be up as far as IE10 compatibility on Windows 7 by now.


RE: No surprise
By retrospooty on 5/17/2013 3:41:21 PM , Rating: 2
Actually I do and have for many years.. But let me entertain your assertion. Please, give me the name of any planning, purchasing, inbound logistics, warehousing, shop floor, shipping, accounting, reverse logistics, CRM software running on Linux... Or are you just remoting into a Windows x86 machine that is running those apps? In which case, you arent doing it on Linux, you are doing on the x86 host.


RE: No surprise
By Ammohunt on 5/17/2013 6:06:28 PM , Rating: 2
You aren't being serious are you? Know what SAP is? Oracle Fusion apps?(these are just the obvious big ones there is a plethora of smaller vendors closed and open source) All deployable on Linux and the platform of choice more often than not. I am not anti-windows by any streach since I have architected and manged computing environment's on all different types of platforms including Windows. To say that windows x86 is the do all and be all is just plain ignorant..sorry.


RE: No surprise
By retrospooty on 5/17/2013 7:25:58 PM , Rating: 3
"Know what SAP is? Oracle Fusion apps?"

YEs I do and I have worked with both and many other non-x86 systems - Sparc, Solaris, Unix, etc etc... I didn't say x86 was the "do all and be all", and I said there were exceptions. The point I am making is almost every company runs off x86 in some way or another, and the vast majority of them are running mostly off x86. Most servers are x86, most companies are running MS exchange for their email and most business apps run x86 software and the vast majority of workers are sitting in front of x86 Windows computers every day. Pointing out exceptions doesn't make any of that untrue.


RE: No surprise
By Ammohunt on 5/17/2013 2:30:26 PM , Rating: 1
Oh and by the way there are other achitectures that do a little bit of work in the areas you listed that are not x86 like IBM Power and Sparc oh and they don't run Windows but funny enough they run Linux!


RE: No surprise
By retrospooty on 5/17/2013 3:42:55 PM , Rating: 2
" a little bi t of work in the areas "

Exactly. Even at that, most users are still interfacing with it via thier x86 system.


RE: No surprise
By Ammohunt on 5/17/2013 6:19:38 PM , Rating: 3
It depends on the application the trend is towards browser based applications which makes the platform that runs the browser unimportant.


RE: No surprise
By retrospooty on 5/17/2013 7:20:37 PM , Rating: 2
Yup.. A few here and there are browser based, and there are other exceptions as well, but the point is the vast majority of the business world runs off Winx86... for example every factory that makes every Mac, iPhone and iPad - all off PC's, and PC based x86 software.


RE: No surprise
By Silma on 5/17/2013 1:02:15 PM , Rating: 3
Android = 1 / 500th capabilities of Windows with 1/1'000'000 peripherals support
ARM = 1/10th the speed of core i3

Android tablets are just glorified webbrowsers


RE: No surprise
By BRB29 on 5/17/2013 1:36:14 PM , Rating: 2
those are some bold claims


RE: No surprise
By retrospooty on 5/17/2013 1:50:22 PM , Rating: 3
"Android tablets are just glorified webbrowsers"

Any non x86 tablet fits that same bill including WinRT tablets.


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