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But Lenovo fears customers just don't want cheaper ARM products

Lenovo this week announced the availability of a "Yoga" convertible laptop with Intel Corp. (INTC), dealing another blow to the embattled Windows RT.

Sales of Windows RT hybrids/tablets/laptops have quite simply stunk.  In Q1 2013, only a meager 200,000 of the devices made their way into consumer hands.  OEMs like Samsung Electronics Comp., Ltd. (KSC:005930), The Lenovo Group, Ltd. (HKG:0992), Dell Inc. (DELL), and Acer Inc. (TPE:2357) -- have attacked the OS [1][2][3][4] blame poor legacy software support and poor marketing by Microsoft.

The Lenovo case is a particularly interesting one.  Early on the Chinese OEM was bullish on Windows on ARM (WOA), showing off the NVIDIA Corp. (NVDA) Tegra 3-based IdeaPad Yoga 11 and complaining that Intel-based devices would be up to $300 USD more expensive.  But of late it's complained that business don't want Windows RT tablets/convertibles due to legacy compatibility concerns.

It appears Lenovo right on both counts -- Intel continues to struggle with price points, but customers still prefer its products (perhaps that's part of why PC sales saw their biggest percentage drop in history last quarter).

Lenovo this week announced an Intel-powered version of the 11.6-inch convertible/hybrid laptop-cum-tablet Yoga.  The Intel Yoga is at least $240 USD more than the Tegra 3-based Yoga, which currently retails for around $560 USD.

With identical screen, form-factor, and body design to the ARM-based Yoga, the new Intel-based Yoga merely varies in OS version and the driving CPU chip.


The entry-level Windows 8 Core i3-3229Y (Ivy Bridge) dual-core model starts at $800 USD; a high-end Core i7-3689Y (dual-core) will fetch $1,349.99 USD (and also come with an upgrade to Windows 8 Pro).  Both 4 GB and 8 GB DRAM options, as well as 128 GB and 256 GB SSD storage options are available.  There's no discrete graphics -- the relatively "low resolution" 1,366x768 11.6-in. LED backlit screen is driven by the on-die HD 4000.

Even as Microsoft Corp. (MSFT) and company reaffirm their commitments to Windows RT, it appears that Lenovo is moving on, even if its pricing takes a hit.

Source: Lenovo



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1,366x768 screen
By MZperX on 5/17/2013 11:51:20 AM , Rating: 5
When I see that spec for a laptop or notebook it goes on immediate "ignore"... Next please!




RE: 1,366x768 screen
By retrospooty on 5/17/2013 12:10:02 PM , Rating: 2
Yup... Not even on a small 11.6 inch screen. Never, ever, ever again. Retire those god damn #'s OEM's.


RE: 1,366x768 screen
By Mint on 5/18/2013 10:31:05 AM , Rating: 2
What sucks is that all over the web are reports that there would be a 1600x900 option.

Looks like Lenovo removed it due to lack of demand. I really think it's the market more so than the OEMs who are responsible. Some people just don't think a price premium is worth it when many apps become difficult to use at high resolution.


RE: 1,366x768 screen
By retrospooty on 5/18/2013 3:04:57 PM , Rating: 1
Yup... the same shitheads that shoved 16x9 on us in the first place. That is half the problem right there. I can't get accepting 768 pixels high as viable. We had that 20 freegin years ago. Today's 5 inch cell phones have better res FFS


RE: 1,366x768 screen
By Old_Fogie_Late_Bloomer on 5/17/2013 12:33:13 PM , Rating: 2
Actually, 768p on an 11.6" display is the perfect compromise between pixel density and usability of desktop programs without having to resort to Microsoft's buggy scaling.


RE: 1,366x768 screen
By inighthawki on 5/17/2013 1:37:42 PM , Rating: 2
The "bugginess" in the scaling isn't really Microsoft's fault, it's the fault of the application that is not high DPI aware.


RE: 1,366x768 screen
By Old_Fogie_Late_Bloomer on 5/17/2013 2:23:07 PM , Rating: 2
Oh, I think Microsoft deserves a fair share of the blame. Nevertheless, the 135ppi of a 11.6" 768p screen or the 131ppi of a 14.0" 900p screen is a pretty good compromise between sharpness and usability in the traditional Windows desktop environment.

Don't get me wrong, 1366x768 on a 15.6" laptop is a travesty. I'm just saying, unless you never plan to leave "Metro", there are good reasons to use it on 11.6" Windows laptops.


RE: 1,366x768 screen
By inighthawki on 5/18/2013 1:43:57 AM , Rating: 2
Which part of Microsoft's DPI scaling is the issue that you have?


RE: 1,366x768 screen
By Gurthang on 5/20/2013 9:11:20 AM , Rating: 2
While I am sure some blame could be applied to them (MS). It has been may experience that it is the fault of the developer of the application that never tested or thought about someone using their app beyond the screen size that have on their development box or lab. I mean back in the day with VB6 with the default tools scaling things could be a PITA. But it is pure lazyness to not set-up your forms in .NET with containers and elements that auto-size correctly... Sure you can still create crappy non-scaling forms but thats you being lazy and not the OS or the tools.


RE: 1,366x768 screen
By ERROR666 on 5/17/2013 3:40:01 PM , Rating: 2
hmmm. I'm using it on my 14 inch laptop. It has higher resolution but for me it's just easier to see small text. Matter of choice I guess.


RE: 1,366x768 screen
By InsGadget on 5/18/2013 12:59:36 PM , Rating: 2
Having tried to use a Surface Pro with its 1920x1080 resolution, I can honestly say I prefer a lower res for smaller screens on Windows. And no, it's not because I'm old and forgot my glasses (I'm 31, not farsighted by any means). Going higher just forces you to scale the UI, which brings its own problems. 1600x900 is the highest I would want to go on a 13 inch, and on an 11 or 12 inch screen, 1366x768 is about ideal.

But don't let me disturb your resolution snobbery meeting.


RE: 1,366x768 screen
By retrospooty on 5/18/2013 3:00:49 PM , Rating: 2
If you are OK with it that is fine, get it. Some of us want better and would never consider this res. Just because Windows scales poorly is not an excuse for a lousy screen to me.


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