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Samsung's flagship phone is king of the Android market

Samsung Electronics Comp., Ltd. (KSC:005930) continues on its tear in the smartphone industry.  Nearly as profitable as arch-rival Apple, Inc. (AAPL) [1][2], Samsung is on pace to sell 390 million smartphones this year, an incredible number.

Early sales numbers from the Galaxy S IV are looking healthy.  Despite criticism over its plastic-body, strong marketing appears to have come through for Samsung.  The company's co-CEO JK Shin announced to The Korea Times that the handset will hit the 10 million unit sales mark next week, a mere four weeks after its global launch.

By contrast, Samsung's last-generation flagship phone, the Galaxy S IIItook seven weeks to hit that mark.

The Samsung handset had a rather bizarre unveil:


... but appears to be keeping pace sales-wise.  It should get another little boost on June 26, when an unlocked version comes to Google Inc.'s (GOOG) Play store, priced at $649 USD.

Source: Korea Times



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By Tony Swash on 5/17/2013 12:51:45 PM , Rating: -1
Galaxy S4: 10 Million in 4 weeks.

iPhone 5: 5 Million in 3 days.




RE: Context
By mcnabney on 5/17/2013 1:14:26 PM , Rating: 3
You know good and well that Apple massively front-ends their sales - usually the very first day.


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By cyberguyz on 5/17/2013 5:27:49 PM , Rating: 2
That's not something Tony boy likes to think about or would admit even if he did.


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By Solandri on 5/17/2013 5:37:12 PM , Rating: 2
iPhone 5 sales:
3Q2012: 6 million (1 week)
4Q2012: 27.4 million (13 weeks)
http://www.engadget.com/2013/02/20/iphone-5-tops-s...

Average per week after the first week = 2.1 million/wk

I'd be curious how Samsung's numbers break down. But with the S4 being released in the middle of 2Q, I doubt we'll ever get reliable first week sales figures. The long-term average is all we can go by.


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By Motoman on 5/17/2013 1:35:03 PM , Rating: 5
Q1 Marketshare:

Android: 74.4%
iPhone: 18.2%

http://gadgets.ndtv.com/mobiles/news/android-grabs...

Good night.


RE: Context
By Fleeb on 5/17/2013 5:26:45 PM , Rating: 2
This post was conveniently ignored.


RE: Context
By TakinYourPoints on 5/18/2013 5:29:19 AM , Rating: 2
High end Android devices like the GS3 and GS4 are a niche for Samsung, only about a quarter of their sales. That massive Android marketshare is low end stuff sold for cheap without a contract or given for free with one.

Aside from that, iOS still makes up the majority of mobile internet traffic, app usage, and even Google still makes about 3x more on mobile ad revenue from iOS than they do from their own Android.

If you're comparing high end smartphone market, the segment I think most of us care about, then the iPhone is much bigger. If you really do care about all the low end Android hardware out there that isn't being used for the internet or applications, then yes, its cool that there are so many of them out there.

Marketshare dick waving aside, who really cares? Use what you like.


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By Any14Tee on 5/18/2013 8:43:56 AM , Rating: 2
I can get iPhone 4S on £21 monthly tariff, I guess that would be low end, right?


RE: Context
By ven1ger on 5/17/2013 1:58:55 PM , Rating: 4
Initial sales are one thing but doesn't really factor in that iPhone sales are down while Samsung sales are up. Over the course of the 2012 year, Samsung exceeded number of smartphone devices sold vs Apple.

If sales holds steady for Apple, though the sales have been slipping, while Samsung continues to grow, especially since according to reports that Apple will not bring out another phone this year, then Samsung's 2013 year in number of smartphone devices sold will exceed Apple by a wider margin than in 2012.

Apple has lost significant consumer confidence in its ability to "innovate" and many are moving to devices that are available instead of waiting for Apple to play catchup. Apple really needs to "innovate" faster otherwise, the sliding slope they are on will accelerate downhill for them.


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By Tony Swash on 5/17/13, Rating: 0
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By karlostomy on 5/17/2013 10:26:20 PM , Rating: 2
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just the usual seasonal pattern and an overall upward trend.

Interesting observation.

I don't quite echo your sentiments.
I see a very large decline in sales from Q1 to Q2 in 2013.

Indeed, historically, your data shows that this is the biggest percentage drop in Q1/Q2 sales in the history of worldwide iphone sales.

The short term trend is definitely not up and the 'seasonal pattern' seems far stronger than in previous years.

Something to think about.


RE: Context
By TakinYourPoints on 5/18/2013 5:34:39 AM , Rating: 2
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Over the course of the 2012 year, Samsung exceeded number of smartphone devices sold vs Apple.


Most of which are low end phones. If you isolate high end devices like the GS3, GS4, and GN2, those are a small portion of Samsung's total sales, only about a quarter of their total smartphone shipments. The GS3 was outsold by the old iPhone 4S last quarter, and the iPhone 5 outsold total GS3 shipments in only two months.

Samsung does own the Android handset market, no question. None of this has been at the expense of the iPhone, it still grows sales in the high end space. HTC, Motorola, LG, and Nokia have been Samsung's real casualties here.

If anything, this is proof that the low end market is where real growth is right now.


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By Mint on 5/18/2013 6:16:56 PM , Rating: 2
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None of this has been at the expense of the iPhone, it still grows sales in the high end space.
The latter does not prove the former. You can be damn sure that without Samsung, the iPhone would have more sales.


RE: Context
By TakinYourPoints on 5/20/2013 2:13:24 AM , Rating: 2
This is certainly true, you are correct. iPhone sales still dominate the high end but you are right that these are lost sales in the high end regardless.

It could also mean lost sales in the low end, but I think that the low end and high end are relatively discreet markets, much like it is for CPUs and GPUs. Someone who's going to buy a GTX 680 is going to buy a GTX 680 and someone who's going to buy a GT520 is just going to buy that, and they won't meet.


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By Reclaimer77 on 5/19/2013 6:41:29 PM , Rating: 2
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None of this has been at the expense of the iPhone


You're disillusional. Seriously turn off the Reality Distortion Field!

Claiming that "none" of Samsung's sales have been at the expense of the iPhone is, literally, the most warped and pathetic argument someone can make.

Also your "logic" doesn't support it at all. So because Samsung also caters to low and mid-end devices, that means NONE of the high-end devices compete head-to-head with the iPhone? HUH?

Being a fanboi is one thing, we're used to that from you. But claiming Samsung doesn't even compete with Apple is insanity on a whole 'nother level.

Also you disprove your entire "point" in your own words lol

quote:
If you isolate high end devices like the GS3, GS4, and GN2, those are a small portion of Samsung's total sales, only about a quarter of their total smartphone shipments.


Uhhh so wouldn't that mean the iPhone could potentially have the 25% of Samsung's halo-phone market if it wasn't for Samsung competing in that space? Hello?

quote:
HTC, Motorola, LG, and Nokia have been Samsung's real casualties here.


Umm that's illogical. Sure Samsung is beating those too, but again read the above post. Samsung IS competing with the iPhone, and quite well. To claim anything else is a fabrication.


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By TakinYourPoints on 5/20/2013 2:30:37 AM , Rating: 3
quote:
Uhhh so wouldn't that mean the iPhone could potentially have the 25% of Samsung's halo-phone market if it wasn't for Samsung competing in that space? Hello?


You know, this is actually correct and I agree with it.

That said, the competing GS3, GN2, and GS4 are still a very small piece of the total iPhone pie if you look at the raw numbers. It would be more potential sales, but iPhone sales continue to grow and competition is always good, so I don't see the big deal.

quote:
Umm that's illogical. Sure Samsung is beating those too, but again read the above post. Samsung IS competing with the iPhone, and quite well. To claim anything else is a fabrication.


To put things in perspective, the iPhone 5 outsold the total number of GS3s sold in under three months. The GS4 shipped 10 million units in one month while the iPhone 5 sold 5 million units in only 2 days, and that was because they couldn't produce enough units to fulfill demand. They couldn't meet demand for months and sold every unit shipped.

Its also important to note that the GS3 made up about 25% of Samsung's total smartphone sales during its launch period and holiday quarter. Right now the GS4 is making up only about 14% of Samsung's total smartphone sales.

Samsung's percentage of their own high end devices has actually declined in the face of increasing total smartphone sales.

This is important context. Combined with Android's continued minority share in internet traffic, mobile ad revenue, and developer revenue, it supports the hypothesis that Samsung's growth (and Android's growth in general) is still mainly on the back of low end devices.

To be clear, Samsung is doing very well, I would never deny that. Again, this has been less at the expense of Apple simply based on the iPhone's dominance of internet traffic, mobile ad revenue, application support/profits, and continually increasing sales numbers.

I'll say it again, the real casualties have been HTC, Motorola, LG, Nokia, etc. HTC is the real bummer here, and I hope that they can pull it out.


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By superflex on 5/17/13, Rating: 0
RE: Context
By jimbojimbo on 5/17/2013 5:19:24 PM , Rating: 2
Anybody with an Apple sticker on their car, unless you work for them, is an isheep and you see them every now and then. However, absolutely nobody has a Samsung sticker on their car.


RE: Context
By TakinYourPoints on 5/18/2013 5:38:10 AM , Rating: 2
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/510O6j4W%2Bw...

:)

I like to think that most people who use whatever product isn't a complete fanatic, and that we use what we like based on informed decisions. Calling all of either "side" fanatics is ridiculous.


RE: Context
By bullsfusion on 5/19/2013 2:13:29 AM , Rating: 2
Another pathetic American who bashes a US company and technology leader. In 2012, Apple paid $6 billion in federal corporate income taxes, which amounts to 1 out of every 40 dollars in corporate income taxes collected by the U.S. government.


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By Cheesew1z69 on 5/19/2013 9:31:58 AM , Rating: 2
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Another pathetic American who bashes a US company and technology leader.
I suppose since they are MURIKIN we should support them? No thanks...


RE: Context
By kmmatney on 5/17/2013 2:40:23 PM , Rating: 2
I'm generally an iPhone fan (started with 3GS and now 1.5 years into my 4S contract) but have to admit that if I was buying a phone "right now" it probably wouldn't be an iPhone 5, due to wanting a larger screen. It is worrying hearing about lag on the S4, though - even my 4S has no lag.


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By retrospooty on 5/17/2013 2:59:31 PM , Rating: 2
IF you are looking for a larger screened phone and dont want slight lag, Samsung inst the way to go, unless you get that Google version coming next month or plan on loading a custom ROM.


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By retrospooty on 5/17/2013 3:21:13 PM , Rating: 2
Or just root it and disable the Sambloat.


RE: Context
By cyberguyz on 5/17/2013 5:22:21 PM , Rating: 2
I have an S4 and absolutely no log.

Just sayin...


RE: Context
By cyberguyz on 5/17/2013 5:22:50 PM , Rating: 2
er... no LAG.


RE: Context
By retrospooty on 5/17/2013 5:49:52 PM , Rating: 2
stock unrooted? What carrier?


RE: Context
By Solandri on 5/17/2013 5:50:08 PM , Rating: 2
It wasn't the phone's processor lagging. Someone made a point about spreading a part of a video where the S4 loads up the app manager and it lagged. When you do that the first time after the phone has been turned on, Android reads all the app and widget info from flash memory to make sure it has the latest updated info. Flash memory speed is slow compared to the CPU and RAM, so if you've got a lot of apps this will take a few hundred milliseconds, which shows up in the video as lag.

It's not something you encounter in regular use, and even for the app drawer it only happens the first time you open it (unless you've opened up so many other apps that it fills RAM and force closes the app drawer which was still running in the background).

I've heard of some lag if you have the hover and eye scrolling features enabled. Since you own one, it'd be good to get your opinion on that. (I'm waiting for the rumored waterproof version coming out in July).


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By RjBass on 5/17/2013 6:02:09 PM , Rating: 2
I have the Note II and also no lag at all.


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