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EA says no Wii U games in development

EA has its fingers in the video game segment on just about every device out there from portable consoles to traditional consoles, computers, and even mobile devices. However, there is one particular platform that EA has no interest in accommodating.

That device is the Nintendo Wii U. EA spokesperson Jeff Brown recently told Kotaku that, "We have no games in development for the Wii U currently.”
 
The statement comes as no surprise as the popularity and sales figures of Nintendo's Wii U console has plummeted since its introduction. Nintendo bet big on the Wii U and its touchscreen controller hoping for the same sort of success Nintendo have early on with original Wii.


That success has failed to materialize and things keep getting worse and worse for Nintendo.
 
EA's statement that it has no games in development for the console is a marked contrast to EA's plans of only a few years ago. EA was on stage during the Nintendo Wii U was unveiled in 2011 at E3 promising an "unprecedented partnership" with Nintendo.

EA did deliver on several games early in the Wii U lifecycle, including ports of Mass Effect 3, Need For Speed Most Wanted, Madden, and FIFA. Each of those games have been available on the Xbox 360 and the PS3 for a long time before hitting the Wii U.

EA's decision to not develop games for specific console has resulted in the death of consoles in the past. EA decided not to publish its incredibly popular sports games on the Sega Dreamcast back in 1999 and that move was seen as one of the big signs of Sega's decline as a console maker. The Dreamcast was the last game console produced by Sega. 


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I hope Nintendo does not die!
By ertomas on 5/17/2013 9:06:44 AM , Rating: 5
I want Nintendo to stay alive, whether as a console maker or as a game developer.

I want my 3 month old son to play Mario and Zelda when he grows up.

Current games have no characters' kids can relate to. How can a kid relate to a guy on COD:MWWWWLAASSS 34? Or fifa 2003333?

I may sound old (I'm 31) but old games where challenging and/or made you think a lot in order to advance. Most current games just require you to mash buttons mindlessly or spend money to go forward.

/Rant end




RE: I hope Nintendo does not die!
By DanNeely on 5/17/2013 9:14:43 AM , Rating: 5
I'm just as old(?) as you; but over the last few years I've found myself gravitating increasingly to indie, and often retro, games that while lacking the eye candy of AAA titles provide characters that you can relate to and stories that aren't just a rail line for the cutscenes.


RE: I hope Nintendo does not die!
By Mitch101 on 5/17/13, Rating: 0
RE: I hope Nintendo does not die!
By Samus on 5/17/2013 1:13:10 PM , Rating: 5
This is irrelevant because Nintendo has always been about first-party titles.

EA never contributed anything meaningful to Nintendo's lineup. It's usually just a bunch of bad ports from other consoles.


RE: I hope Nintendo does not die!
By inperfectdarkness on 5/17/2013 3:17:46 PM , Rating: 3
I bet they're also butthurt because they wouldn't be able to require "online at all times" DRM BS.


RE: I hope Nintendo does not die!
By karimtemple on 5/17/2013 3:22:27 PM , Rating: 2
Ostensibly, the main reason is they were displeased with Frostbite 2 performance on the Wii U and didn't want to spend resources working on Wii U for Frostbite 3 (which is supporting about 15 upcoming games right now).

Naturally this is hilarious because Frostbite platform performance is their fault, not the Wii U's.


By GulWestfale on 5/17/2013 7:25:21 PM , Rating: 2
i remember when EA made a huge deal out of not supporting the dreamcast (without us, it will fail etc etc), and then selling dreamcast games -quietly- in japan. two-faced bastards.

as far as nintendo is concerned, has anyone in the history of videogames, and this is a serious question, ever bought a nintendo console because they wanted to play an EA game? has anyone ever bought any console just to play an EA game?

no? that's what i thought.


RE: I hope Nintendo does not die!
By InsGadget on 5/18/2013 12:01:16 PM , Rating: 2
So it's EA's fault the Wii U is such crappy hardware?


RE: I hope Nintendo does not die!
By Alexvrb on 5/18/2013 7:46:23 PM , Rating: 2
EA could get Frostbite 3 running on Wii U as well as it does on the other consoles, of this I have no doubt. But the problem is, is it worth all that effort when they already have invested in getting it working well on PS3 and Xbox 360, with 100 times the userbase of the Wii U?

I guess I'm saying that it's not strictly a hardware problem, but people forget just how much time, money, and effort it takes to really extract all the performance out of a console. The Wii U just isn't worth the effort. It's on par with existing consoles... so why bother? Why not just release on PC, PS3 and 360? In addition, the upcoming PS4 and Xbox Infinity will both run it better, even before lots of optimizing.


RE: I hope Nintendo does not die!
By EricMartello on 5/20/2013 7:20:29 AM , Rating: 2
More like frostbloat...

Kinda tired of this fixation with "game engines" which once used to represent a compact library of optimized code that was at or near machine-level and today are more like a multi-layer crapwich of APIs, classes and APIs for APIs and wrappers for classes because of incompatibilities that accompany the clusterfcuk that is a modern game "engine".

To put this another way - the fact that frostbloat has high hardware requirements is not something for its makers to be proud of; it's representative of the general decline of human intelligence, as they cannot figure out a more efficient method of coding the engine.


RE: I hope Nintendo does not die!
By karimtemple on 5/20/2013 9:52:48 AM , Rating: 2
DICE has actually done a really great job with Frostbite over time. The most likely scenario here is that EA simply would not allow resources to be allocated to the Wii U, because it was determined to be a dud, or because of some secret disagreement with Nintendo, or something.

Popular multi-use game engines are super necessary today because of the complexity of modern hardware and game expectations. Middleware has always been a thing.

It takes a lot of resources to make "AAA" games these days, and "multi-layer crapwich of APIs, classes and APIs for APIs and wrappers for classes" are now economically necessary because nobody wants to pay $150 for each video game they buy.

It's less about human intelligence and more about waiting 8 years for a dev group to put out each piece of software with a 70% increase in price each time.


By EricMartello on 5/20/2013 1:42:35 PM , Rating: 2
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Popular multi-use game engines are super necessary today because of the complexity of modern hardware and game expectations. Middleware has always been a thing.


Yes, middleware is a business that spawned out of the desire to shift from a few quality games to a lot of crappy games in a given time period.

How many REALLY good games can you name over the last decade? Not some niche that you and 1 other person likes...I'm talking about legendary games like Final Fantasy 7, Chrono Trigger, Zelda (SNES), Xenosaga, Street Fighter 2, Mega Man.

Ok, I can name one - Tales of Vesperia - that game was great, but it was not FF7 caliber and I only found out about it because amazon suggested it to me while I was searching for toon porn.

Back in the 16-bit era and for a some part of the 32-bit era we had a solid title come out every 1-2 years and we didn't mind waiting because we knew it was worth the wait. More importantly, the games I mentioned had staying power. You could play them more than once and enjoy them, and they took time to complete.

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It's less about human intelligence and more about waiting 8 years for a dev group to put out each piece of software with a 70% increase in price each time.


My point is that the eye candy is not a REPLACEMENT for quality game design. What are the two big titles now? Battlefield and Call of Duty? These are dumbed-down FPS games that keep getting recycled every year.

Innovation and true creativity seems to have shifted to the start-up devs and individual game makers. Maybe that's what needed to happen.


RE: I hope Nintendo does not die!
By The0ne on 5/17/2013 2:07:26 PM , Rating: 2
I'm a retrogamer so I love the old games. Not much involve with the new games really, or the new systems. But since I have interest in the technology, both software and hardware, I keep up with the tread.

The funny thing is I see people, including my nephews and nieces, that are playing retro and indie games on their next gen consoles. It's hilarious frankly but I am glad. What it tells me is that there are great games that doesn't require the oohhh, aaahhh graphics of today. What you're experiencing isn't odd to me at all. In fact, I think it's natural. Call it nostalgia or what have you but there's nothing like grinning happily when loading up Zelda or Mario from the past :)


RE: I hope Nintendo does not die!
By maugrimtr on 5/20/2013 11:26:14 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
I'm just as old(?) as you; but over the last few years I've found myself gravitating increasingly to indie, and often retro, games that while lacking the eye candy of AAA titles provide characters that you can relate to and stories that aren't just a rail line for the cutscenes


Not to mention...Kerbal Space Program ;). Indie games don't need to be traditional either. KSP was so damn addictive I had to deliberately will myself not to play it several weeks after purchasing it in November. Indie games also don't need to make crazy profits - something which drives companies like EA into really bad directions.


RE: I hope Nintendo does not die!
By quiksilvr on 5/17/2013 9:19:57 AM , Rating: 4
Uh...those classic Mario games still exist. Introduce him to those old retro games and ween him in to the later ones as he gets older.

Just because its not 4K, 60fps, 3D and on a 100" screen doesn't mean it's inferior.


RE: I hope Nintendo does not die!
By karimtemple on 5/17/2013 9:49:51 AM , Rating: 3
Actually, it kind of does. You're right that the technology doesn't make the game, however the technique does. That's why as much as much as people try to deny this, newer things really are [capable of being] better than the older things: movies, music, people, etc.

The techniques; they've grown, they've evolved, and they've been enabled by technological advancement. If in 2013 you put out a movie filmed on 1955 hardware using 1955 acting and directing techniques, it would be really really difficult to like. Similarly, if Mario doesn't change he will get...well... old.


RE: I hope Nintendo does not die!
By drlumen on 5/17/2013 12:12:35 PM , Rating: 3
The technology does not make the content better. It may make it more marketable in this 4k, 3D, IMAX, Dolby, THX society but not necessarily better. Capable of being better? Content wise, I'm not sure about that...

There are many movies from the 50's that still stand the test of time and are better than the majority of the crap that Hollywood is releasing today.

Now, where did I leave my game punch cards for the Eniac?


RE: I hope Nintendo does not die!
By foolsgambit11 on 5/17/2013 2:19:04 PM , Rating: 2
And there are many movies from the 50's that are worse than the majority of crap that Hollywood is releasing today. The good stuff is the stuff that sticks around. Just like with the NES - out of the hundreds of games released for that system, only a handful are so good they deserve to be played for any reason other than nostalgia.


RE: I hope Nintendo does not die!
By inperfectdarkness on 5/17/2013 3:26:11 PM , Rating: 2
I can't even count on both hands and both feet all of the games on the NES that are worth their weight in gold. I still have over 30 in my own personal collection. Here's a non-exclusive list, and I don't even need to go look at my shelf:

tecmo-bowl
double-dribble
punch-out!
pro-wrestling
excitebike
blaster-master
bionic-commando
mario 1,2 & 3
zelda 1 & 2
faxandu
bubble-bubble
contra
cobra-command
gauntlet
star tropics
zoda's revenge
kirby's adventure
metroid
commando
dr. mario


RE: I hope Nintendo does not die!
By karimtemple on 5/17/2013 3:53:30 PM , Rating: 2
Video games didn't exist before video games existed. Are you asking for old games to be mimicked more closely? I feel like we need to be fair about this.

Games were a niche market back then. It's really rare for a great game to translate to the mainstream market. EA wants to make mainstream market games; that's where the money is. These are not artists. At the same time, the market is just people and the games we like to think are so terrible and uninspired are the games that are selling*. EA doesn't make games you dislike because they're your antagonists, they do it because they've got their heads in the game.

*and creativity is expensive


RE: I hope Nintendo does not die!
By augiem on 5/17/2013 4:16:09 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Are you asking for old games to be mimicked more closely?


iPhone/Android games. Nuff said. Phone devs have no qualms about outright stealing old game designs, throwing their own graphics on top, and selling it. I wish someone would sue their butts off.


RE: I hope Nintendo does not die!
By Manch on 5/20/2013 4:27:53 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Video games didn't exist before video games existed.


Thank God you clarified that for all of us!


By karimtemple on 5/20/2013 9:54:52 AM , Rating: 2
Any time. :D


RE: I hope Nintendo does not die!
By Mitch101 on 5/17/2013 10:53:05 AM , Rating: 1
Ive built a few retro arcade cabinets and in order to have the full experience I highly recommend proper controls no gamepad can replace a happ joystick. No thumb machine with real buttons you can smack with the index fingers.


RE: I hope Nintendo does not die!
By Manch on 5/20/2013 4:24:14 AM , Rating: 2
When i was a kid i used to go into the stores in Japan and the PI where they had mario on the gigantic screens. I always wanted to be able to play on that. When I got my first projector (720p) I just had to bust out the SNES and N64. Mario games on a 100inch screen is awesome! Hell Pilot Wings is awesome, blurry, but awesome!I have SNES Super Mario All Stars, and I still play it, Metroid, and seve4ral others.


By karimtemple on 5/17/2013 9:41:48 AM , Rating: 2
A world without Nintendo hardware would be pitiful. I didn't like the Wii or the Wii U, but I absolutely do not want the ideas to stop.


RE: I hope Nintendo does not die!
By TSS on 5/17/2013 9:41:56 AM , Rating: 2
To be honest i want my son to play new nintendo IP on par with mario or zelda when he grows up.

Mario and zelda are older then me. Even older then you! Yet we're still getting mario and zelda games which are hardly any different from the ones that came before it. Because if they where, they'd suck.

I keep a directory of dosgames on my PC at all times (C64/msdos for me, never had a NES/SNES) which my future kids will be certain to enjoy. Those games where good back then and are still as good now. And it'll teach the brats to put gameplay over graphics, too.

But aside from those experiences i want them to grow up with their own IP, their own experiences to relate to. So they both get the same level of excitement we used to have, while we get to keep our memories of great games intact. Don't forget it's those memories that make it great for you, imagine being a 6 year old kid now having to go through the mountain of backstory and other games before you're able to enjoy the current generation of the same game.

Unless nintento remembers how to go balls out with technology and makes a new SNES, i'd rather them go full software atleast in the console market. Without their own system to push their shovelware they will have to innovate, which will bring more goodies to us all.


RE: I hope Nintendo does not die!
By elleehswon on 5/17/2013 10:24:51 AM , Rating: 2
yeah, i hear you.. this one time, i changed my arm out for a blaster and then i was all like..man, i'm just like megaman...


RE: I hope Nintendo does not die!
By ertomas on 5/17/2013 11:51:28 AM , Rating: 2
That's kinda what I mean, even today you do not see kids disguised as "the guy from COD", you see them as Mario and Luigi!

Well, anyways, we'll just have to wait and see. Maybe by the time he grows up there will be no videogames. What if he is The One and gets unplugged from the Matrix or if the machines do raise and nuke the hell out of us???


RE: I hope Nintendo does not die!
By KFZ on 5/17/13, Rating: 0
By inighthawki on 5/17/2013 1:30:27 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
I didn't want to imagine myself as a short, fat plumber in red overalls jumping on turtles

Neither did I, but then again that's not even remotely what I was thinking when I was having fun playing...


RE: I hope Nintendo does not die!
By Nortel on 5/17/13, Rating: 0
RE: I hope Nintendo does not die!
By ertomas on 5/17/2013 11:47:24 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Seriously? I want my children to read books and live life, not play a particular franchise of video game.


You took my words out of context. We're talking Nintendo here, hence my statement.

I played Mario, Zelda, COD, BF, HL, etc etc, and also read a lot of books and played outside with my childhood friends. Learnt to play guitar, drums, became a BSc, MBA, a husband and now a father.

I want my kid(s) to have their own experiences as well. I didn't mean that all I wanted for him was to play video games...


RE: I hope Nintendo does not die!
By The0ne on 5/17/2013 2:10:49 PM , Rating: 2
I had to LMAO at his reply to yours. I hope it wasn't serious. I read tons of books...I mean shopping cart loads of books when I check out. Back then libraries reward kids for reading as many books as they can and that's what I did :P There were no limits to the amount of books you can check out and they know me and trusted me so they allowed me to check out cart full of books :D

Then my other addiction was NES and my Amiga500.


By karimtemple on 5/17/2013 2:25:14 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Seriously? I want my children to read books and live life, not play a particular franchise of video game.


This seems unironic, which is simultaneously hilarious and sad.


RE: I hope Nintendo does not die!
By Falacer on 5/17/2013 12:19:52 PM , Rating: 2
Nintendo isn't going anywhere just because the Wii U has failed. They are still far and away the top portable game developer. So they swung for the fences and struck out on the Wii U.

It won't stop them from coming out with something else in a couple years. If anything maybe it pushes up the R&D on their next console.

And there are many ways to play the games we grew up on (I am 41) so our kids can enjoy them too.


By TakinYourPoints on 5/18/2013 5:46:19 AM , Rating: 3
Nintendo getting out of the hardware business would be a huge loss for the entire industry.

The d-pad, shoulder buttons, analog stick control (defined by Super Mario 64), trigger buttons, rumble, motion control, these were all physical interfaces and features that were brought to market by Nintendo and then imitated by other companies.

You need a company where hardware R&D and software development happen under the same roof.


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