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It says the current gun debate has nothing to do with it

There's a lot of controversy surrounding the use of guns these days, and it's even starting to show in the retail sector as Square announces that gun retailers can't use its services. 

Square, the San Francisco-based mobile payment startup, has announced a change to its terms that says gun retailers cannot use its technology. The exact terms block sales of firearms, firearm hardware, ammunition and parts. It also forbids sales of weapons and "other devices designed to cause physical injury."

Square said its revised terms have nothing to do with the current gun debate.

“From time to time, we revisit our policies governing the use of Square to ensure they are in the best interests of our customers,” said a Square spokesman. 

Square isn't the first to snub guns. For instance, General Electric (GE) said it won't provide financing to gun retailers anymore. 

While many companies are looking to either take a stance on the gun debate or just be more sensitive about the topic in general, it seems odd that Square is choosing to block out guns. 

According to Southwick Associates, a research firm that studies the hunting and shooting industry, only about 30 percent of firearms are distributed to big retail chains like Wal-Mart while the other 70 percent are sent to smaller stores -- and Square aims to spread the use of its cash register-free mobile payment system in small stores like these. 

What do you think? Is Square's decision to axe gun retailers a good idea? 

Sources: Forbes, CNN Money

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RE: I'm Confused
By MaulBall789 on 5/15/2013 10:35:38 AM , Rating: -1
What about lead pipes? Fertilizer? Box cutters? Pressure cookers? Axes? Pocket knives? Kitchen knives? Pesticides? Etc....

None of those things are designed to cause physical injury. Doesn't mean they can't be used that way but they were developed for other specific purposes.

Guns have no other purpose but to inflict injury.

RE: I'm Confused
By jimbojimbo on 5/15/2013 10:46:00 AM , Rating: 5
Guns have no other purpose but to inflict injury.
Yeah, on those who wish to inflict injury on me or my loved ones. What's the problem with that? I get shot or they get shot. I choose the latter. Somehow people are brainwashed into thinking that's wrong and that makes no sense.

RE: I'm Confused
By Bubbacub on 5/15/13, Rating: 0
RE: I'm Confused
By 91TTZ on 5/15/2013 1:48:04 PM , Rating: 3
That's a great idealistic fantasy, but it's only a fantasy. You might as well say that the long term point is that a civilised country should need no laws because nobody needs or feels the need to commit a moral abuse.

RE: I'm Confused
By Bubbacub on 5/15/2013 6:21:20 PM , Rating: 2
It patently isnt a fantasy. I live in the UK. I've never seen a gun in my life. I've never felt unsafe, or felt that I need a gun to protect myself or my family.
I'm not saying that the UK is a crime free paradise - just that gun crime is essentially non existent here.

RE: I'm Confused
By Kyuu on 5/15/2013 6:39:21 PM , Rating: 2
I live in the US. I've seen plenty of guns in my life. I've never felt unsafe, or that the presence of guns makes myself or my family inherently unsafe.

Why do guns make people feel so unsafe? The possibility of being bludgeoned or stabbed to death (or the much more likely possibilities of dying in a car wreck or from an accident in your own home) doesn't merit worry but the possibility of being shot does?

Why does it matter if crime is "gun crime"? Is a violent crime less objectionable if it involves some other lethal weapon?

Oh, not to mention: if somebody really wanted to kill you with a gun, they could get one and do it, regardless of if whether guns are illegal or so heavily regulated as to be practically illegal in your country. Why does a gun in the hand of a police officer or member of your military or other government organization not make you feel unsafe? You feel like they are somehow specially qualified to be unable to use their firearms to harm or oppress you? If so, you really haven't studied history at all.

RE: I'm Confused
By 91TTZ on 5/16/2013 3:28:43 PM , Rating: 2
I think he's confusing guns with violence. I see baseball bats all the time at the park. People play baseball with them. Now if I saw someone walk up to me with a baseball bat in the inner city I'd be scared. It's all about context. Are they using the gun/bat for sport or are they about to kill someone with it?

RE: I'm Confused
By 91TTZ on 5/16/2013 3:26:01 PM , Rating: 2
I see guns all the time. Every time I go shooting I see guns. Gun crime is non-existent where I live also. I live in the suburbs of Pennsylvania.

RE: I'm Confused
By MaulBall789 on 5/15/2013 4:23:42 PM , Rating: 2
I wasn't arguing the merits of those injuries caused by guns, whether providing protection or otherwise. Just that pressure cookers and the others were designed for s specific purpose other than causing injury. That fact remains, no matter how you characterize it.

RE: I'm Confused
By anactoraaron on 5/15/2013 4:38:13 PM , Rating: 2
So it's ok for the bad guy to swipe his stolen card to buy a gun to rob/kill you with?

I mean, just how many people look at your ID when running cards anymore? I remember when it was under $25 you didn't need to sign, but at target the other day I didn't need to sign for a $45 purchase...

Why not look at it from the standpoint of this company making it harder for the bad guys to get guns?

RE: I'm Confused
By rs2 on 5/16/2013 1:21:51 AM , Rating: 2
Yes, because the gun is sentient an knows who it's being pointed at. Please.

His point is entirely valid. A gun is designed to inflict harm upon whatever it happens to be pointed at. Some people will point the gun at legitimate things, and some people won't, but the gun itself doesn't care.

Contrast that to other things in the OP's list, and it's clear that his point is absurd. Yes all the things listed can be used to inflict harm. However, none of them are designed (or optimized) with the primary intent of inflicting harm.

A pressure cooker is designed to cook food, for crying out loud. If you seriously think pressure cookers should be treated the same as guns then you're as stupid as the people who wanted to charge the Boston bombers with using WMD's.

RE: I'm Confused
By 91TTZ on 5/16/2013 4:08:23 PM , Rating: 2
His point is entirely valid. A gun is designed to inflict harm upon whatever it happens to be pointed at. Some people will point the gun at legitimate things, and some people won't, but the gun itself doesn't care.

You're trying to connect these two things to justify your assumption that a gun = illegal

However, guns are constitutionally protected and people are presumed innocent until proven guilty. A person with a gun should NOT be assumed to be a criminal. They're assumed to be a law abiding citizen with a constitutionally protected gun.

RE: I'm Confused
By rs2 on 5/16/2013 7:58:51 PM , Rating: 2
You're trying to connect these two things to justify your assumption that a gun = illegal

No, I'm trying to point out the absurdity of jimbo's statement that guns only harm "those who wish to inflict injury on me or my loved ones".

Guns are legal; I've *never* said otherwise. But just because something is legal does not mean a business must support it or that they cannot have their own policy prohibiting it. Apple can ban porn (which is also completely legal), nightclubs can ban sandals, and Square can ban firearms sales.

The legality of guns is completely irrelevant to this discussion.

RE: I'm Confused
By 91TTZ on 5/17/2013 11:27:11 AM , Rating: 2
I do see what you're saying, but I guess we'll have to see how this plays out in court. Aside from the gun issue, it seems that companies are trying to override people's rights when it comes to their privacy or freedom.

While it's illegal for the government to do this, can private companies? For instance, you have freedom from unreasonable search and seizure the US. But everything is owned. Can every private landowner have their own security forces that shake you down against your will when you walk past their property? That would effectively result in you only having freedom in your own house or on federal land.

RE: I'm Confused
By 91TTZ on 5/17/2013 11:51:25 AM , Rating: 2
I have another good example for you:

Imagine if health insurance companies said that they don't want people they insure to smoke, or eat meat, or shoot guns. You might think that they have the right to say that, and if you don't like their terms of service you can just avoid them. But with Obamacare you *have* to have health insurance from a private company as there's no public option.

If all the health insurance companies had this requirement you'd get a situation where you have a legal right to do x but you also have a legal obligation to get insurance which means you can't do x.

RE: I'm Confused
By 91TTZ on 5/15/2013 11:03:42 AM , Rating: 5
Guns are perfectly legal in the US and gun ownership is protected by the Constitution. In fact, gun ownership is more protected than owning a car.

It does not matter what your personal view on gun ownership is. You're being logically inconsistent and intellectually dishonest in this debate.

Some "liberals" (they're not really liberal at all) want members of society to respect laws and the rights of fellow citizens, as long as those laws agree with their personal political views. If not, then they want those laws to be ignored and those people to be oppressed.

RE: I'm Confused
By bobcpg on 5/15/2013 11:45:29 AM , Rating: 2
Guns have no other purpose but to inflict injury.

That is odd. Seems the Olympic games have many events with guns, yet no one get injured.

Now luge - that's a killer event!

Come back down to earth than join the rest of us.

RE: I'm Confused
By Omega215D on 5/15/2013 3:21:06 PM , Rating: 2
You are a moron because guns have a recreational purpose as well. People like to go out to the range and shoot stuff, target practice and even compete on an INTERNATIONAL level, meaning plenty of people outside the US love to shoot guns and other types of weapons.

Then there's hunting which in certain places means being able to eat.

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