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The computer market is currently going through one of the roughest spots in recent memory. Consumers continue to purchase devices such as smartphones and tablets instead of upgrading older computers, and even some businesses are holding off on new system purchases/operating system upgrades. Despite these foibles, Microsoft still hit the 100 million licenses sold milestone with Windows 8.

The good news for Microsoft is that industry executives say prices for Windows 8 devices are set to decline over the coming months, which should lead to increased consumer interest in the operating system.

Executives from computer maker Acer have noted that Microsoft is being more "considerate" to its partners and has begun adopting suggestions made by partners "at a high percentage."

"When we were talking to Microsoft, our input to them is balance,” said Acer President Jim Wong. “The world in the next five years is not going 100 percent to touch. Although touch makes a lot of possibilities for PCs, you need to take care of the rest of the world that doesn’t need touch."

Windows Chief Tami Reller acknowledges that there are issues with Windows 8 and that the software giant is working to adjust to consumer feedback. She stopped short of confirming any specific feature changes, but rumors continue to hint that Windows 8.1 will see a return of the Start button.

public preview of Windows 8.1 is expected in June.

Source: Wall Street Journal



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Sadly..
By maevinj on 5/9/2013 11:26:57 AM , Rating: 2
8.1 should be a free service pack. Not a whole new version.




RE: Sadly..
By Beavermatic on 5/9/2013 11:45:03 AM , Rating: 5
....it is a free service pack if you already own Windows 8.


RE: Sadly..
By Cheesew1z69 on 5/9/2013 11:48:19 AM , Rating: 1
quote:
According to the latest rumors, the 2013 release will be inexpensive or perhaps free, to incentivize upgrades. And it will be a full operating system upgrade. In this regard, the new development cycle Microsoft is moving towards closely resembles Apple's -- frequent, cheap operating system upgrades.
Not sure where you people keep coming up with "it's free" and it's "a service pack"...


RE: Sadly..
By jjlj on 5/9/2013 12:06:18 PM , Rating: 2
Well, this kind of leaves the door open to interpretation.
quote:
inexpensive or perhaps free


RE: Sadly..
By Cheesew1z69 on 5/9/2013 12:10:19 PM , Rating: 1
Sure, but it's a rumor . When has MS ever given a FULL os for free? Never?


RE: Sadly..
By jmarchel on 5/9/2013 2:39:52 PM , Rating: 2
They didn't have to in the past.Now they are betting future of their company not on OS but on the app store or in general on the software as service. It is not getting traction so giving away OS might be the only solution to get this materialize. It is the same business model as cable company is running or ink jet business, where ink often cost more than the printer. We will give you something for "free" as long as you pay us monthly fee.


RE: Sadly..
By Cheesew1z69 on 5/9/2013 4:24:08 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Now they are betting future of their company not on OS but on the app store or in general on the software as service.
Um, yea. No. Don't think so.


RE: Sadly..
By Labotomizer on 5/10/2013 9:23:57 AM , Rating: 2
You have a very narrow view of what MS offers. They have numerous other billion dollar businesses that are doing just fine. Windows is become a smaller and smaller portion of that overall picture. I could see 8.1 as a cheap upgrade. I don't think it will be free. I think we're done with the major 3 year release cycle.

But SharePoint, Exchange, Windows Server, Azure and Office all make Microsoft a very stable company. Windows desktop could disappear and they would survive. But that isn't going to happen anyway. Over the next 4-5 years the platform you use to connect to the services will matter less. And MS is very well poised to deliver services to any device. You can see it over the last 5 years or so in their server products. Exchange 2010 worked very well across multiple platforms and browsers, same for SharePoint and now Azure. The 2013 versions are built almost entirely on open standards for the web interfaces. Their business units understand this.


RE: Sadly..
By acer905 on 5/9/2013 12:09:01 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
quote:
According to the latest rumors


Grain of salt anyone?


RE: Sadly..
By Cheesew1z69 on 5/9/2013 4:21:13 PM , Rating: 2
Exactly, people are taking rumors as fact, when it's not.


RE: Sadly..
By acer905 on 5/9/2013 6:17:36 PM , Rating: 3
Exactly, the entire basis of your argument is a rumor yet you quote it all the time as *proof* that 8.1 will not be a service pack.


RE: Sadly..
By Cheesew1z69 on 5/9/13, Rating: 0
RE: Sadly..
By WinstonSmith on 5/10/2013 9:59:53 AM , Rating: 3
"Microsoft is being more "considerate" to its partners and has begun adopting suggestions made by partners "at a high percentage."

50-50 Split Screen Mode Spotted in Windows Blue Build 9388

http://news.softpedia.com/news/50-50-Split-Screen-...

Windows Blue to have Start button, option to boot to desktop

http://ibnlive.in.com/news/windows-blue-to-have-st...

In other words, those "suggestions made by partners" are the same as those desired by users who use freeware shells to bring back some of the Win7 functionality. So, this isn't just a "bug fix" service package, this is a UI mod.


RE: Sadly..
By WinstonSmith on 5/10/2013 10:09:09 AM , Rating: 2
Forgot to mention that the 50:50 screen split mode brings back some poor semblance of "windows" for those who need more than one app open, active and in a window large enough to be usable at the same time instead of just docked on the left of the display, something that's not practical due to limited display size on tablets and smartphones which is why it's not included in the Tiles1, uh, I mean Win8, tablet/smartphone UI. Of course, no one ever needs more than two apps open and active and 50:50 will be the ideal screen sharing ratio for the dynamic output of every app (sarcasm).

Bring back windowing in a so-called Windows OS, please!


RE: Sadly..
By Cheesew1z69 on 5/12/2013 7:48:15 AM , Rating: 2
Down rated, for what? LOL...Some real losers on this site. I can almost guarantee it's one of a few people.


RE: Sadly..
By acer905 on 5/14/2013 12:38:42 PM , Rating: 2
Unfortunately the rumors you were quoting were wrong. Sorry.

http://www.engadget.com/2013/05/14/windows-blue-de...

Service Pack. Free.


RE: Sadly..
By jjlj on 5/9/2013 11:45:58 AM , Rating: 1
How do you know it won't be free? What do you think the cost will be? Last time I checked, a .X increment wasn't a whole new version.


RE: Sadly..
By xelc on 5/10/2013 7:53:56 AM , Rating: 2
from wikipedia:
5.0 = windows 2000
5.1 = windows XP
6.0 = windows vista
6.1 = windows 7
6.2 = windows 8


RE: Sadly..
By Labotomizer on 5/10/2013 9:25:10 AM , Rating: 3
NT Kernel version does not equate to OS version. This is Windows 8.1, which we haven't seen a release even similar to this since 98v2.


RE: Sadly..
By fteoath64 on 5/12/2013 12:50:12 AM , Rating: 2
It is a Service Pack exactly. But they wanted to position it to "look" like a new system to rid itself of the old karma. It might just work if the UI and overall functions are way better than before. Trying to "force" people into a certain type of usage model is never good. That was a drastic mistake to enforce a tablet like usage on all desktops.
This is a drastic effort to reverse the trend in declining Windows sales while the transition to tablets of the Android and IOS variety accelerates. Windows tablets will always be a niche just because it failed to grab the right form-factor and weight optimum that the Android and iOS tablets have hit.


RE: Sadly..
By Cheesew1z69 on 5/12/2013 7:45:54 AM , Rating: 2
What part of this do you not understand?

quote:
And it will be a full operating system upgrade.


doooo eeeeet
By Motoman on 5/9/2013 12:40:17 PM , Rating: 4
quote:
“The world in the next five years is not going 100 percent to touch. Although touch makes a lot of possibilities for PCs, you need to take care of the rest of the world that doesn’t need touch."


Translation: put the f%cking Start button and normal desktop back in there already.




RE: doooo eeeeet
By datdamonfoo on 5/9/2013 2:55:54 PM , Rating: 4
The normal desktop is there. I use it all the time on my three Windows 8 computers.


RE: doooo eeeeet
By xti on 5/9/2013 3:32:17 PM , Rating: 2
why do you insist on playing in traffic...


RE: doooo eeeeet
By Bateluer on 5/9/2013 4:53:08 PM , Rating: 4
Its there, until you reboot or accidentally mouse over the Charms bar. Then you have to deal with the annoying and utterly useless Start Screen.


RE: doooo eeeeet
By Nutzo on 5/9/2013 6:15:44 PM , Rating: 2
Except you can't simply click on the start button and select shutdown.
Trying to bring up the charms bar is a pain, especially when you are connected remotely, same with trying to "hover" in the right place to bring up the ugly flat start page.


RE: doooo eeeeet
By wordsworm on 5/9/2013 11:24:29 PM , Rating: 2
The hibernate mode is all I use. I just have to hit the power button and it's good like that. I can even unplug it, move it, plug it back in, and hit the button to turn it back on. It's really good that way. I would never go back to XP or W7. W8 is the best OS I've ever used. I'm not sure why anyone would want it to be more like W7.


RE: doooo eeeeet
By Strunf on 5/13/2013 8:24:14 AM , Rating: 2
You do realize Hibernate is also available on windows 7? and I think it was even available on Win XP.


Please make me want to use Windows 8.1
By techxx on 5/9/2013 10:52:59 AM , Rating: 2
I want to like Windows 8. Please let it happen MS!




RE: Please make me want to use Windows 8.1
By jmarchel on 5/9/2013 2:42:28 PM , Rating: 2
And kill app store ? They want app money badly.


By Motoman on 5/9/2013 7:09:22 PM , Rating: 3
For what possible reason do you think having a real Start menu means you can't have an app store?


Just Done
By jeepga on 5/9/2013 4:52:11 PM , Rating: 2
Interestingly enough I just read an article in MSDN Magazine (Microsoft Developer Network) talking about the concept of "Done". I think that's what we have here.

We tend to think of things not growing or innovating much as "dead". PCs and Windows in it's commonly known configuration isn't "dead" it's "done". As pointed out there will probably always be a need for a PC in one form or another. Tablets can supplant notebooks in many areas. As will it the need for PCs from some users. There's just not room, desire, or need to change it anymore -- it's "done".




Install Pokki
By Bateluer on 5/9/2013 4:53:42 PM , Rating: 2
Then you have a usable task bar, start button, and I believe it blocks the garbage start screen too.




I'm sold if....
By Ammohunt on 5/9/2013 7:01:13 PM , Rating: 2
Start button, boot to desktop mode aka disable metro(don't even want to see it) at ~$50 I will buy 4 copies.




START MENU AND DESKTOP?
By Cstefan on 5/10/2013 2:41:12 PM , Rating: 2
If not, I don't.




DDR4
By btc909 on 5/9/13, Rating: -1
RE: DDR4
By OoklaTheMok on 5/9/2013 12:07:19 PM , Rating: 2
Could you elaborate on how the two are related?


RE: DDR4
By Flunk on 5/9/2013 12:36:14 PM , Rating: 4
Magic elves did it.

Otherwise I'm at a loss because it's not like any of the hardware vendors have DDR4-compatible products available. Intel's lack of DDR4 support on their chipsets is the real reason that DDR4 isn't available on PCs now.


RE: DDR4
By Reclaimer77 on 5/10/2013 8:03:35 AM , Rating: 2
We already have more memory bandwidth than we know what to do with. NOTHING we run right now is memory bottlenecked, so going over 1866 MHz on current DDR3 is barely benchmarkable.

So yeah the claim that Windows 8 robbed us of DDR4 is a joke, but even if it did, we shouldn't even care. There's no benefit today on the consumer side of things of going to DDR4, performance wise.


RE: DDR4
By jjlj on 5/9/2013 12:09:24 PM , Rating: 2
At least DDR3 reg ecc is still cheaper than DDR2 reg ecc...


RE: DDR4
By Motoman on 5/9/2013 2:28:26 PM , Rating: 4
Are you on crack?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N8...

8Gb of DDR3-1600 RAM is ~$53 with free shipping. RAM has *never* been this cheap. It's practically free.

And WTF do you think an OS has to do with dictating any kinds of memory standards on the motherboard?


RE: DDR4
By Motoman on 5/9/2013 2:30:54 PM , Rating: 2
For a frame of reference, back in the day I talked my boss into letting me expense the purchase of some additional RAM for my home PC that I did lots of work on. It was a Windows NT 4.0 dual boot with either 95 or 98...don't remember at the moment.

Anyway, my machine already had a whopping 16Mb of RAM in it (no, that's not a typo - 16 Megabytes). Which was a pretty standard amount of memory at the time. My boss let me buy a 64Mb stick to add in so I had a total of 80Mb.

The cost of that 64Mb stick? Something like $500.


RE: DDR4
By Proxes on 5/9/2013 2:39:20 PM , Rating: 2
First SIMM I ever bought was 1 meg for $100. Then 16 meg sticks were well over $1000.

I can max out my current computer with 32 GB of RAM for less than I maxed out my first computer with 4 megs.


RE: DDR4
By troysavary on 5/9/2013 5:57:08 PM , Rating: 2
I doubled the RAM in my first computer from 16 Kilo(not mega)bytes to 32 by sliding the new RAM chips over the ones on the mobo and soldering the pins together.


RE: DDR4
By Motoman on 5/9/2013 7:12:55 PM , Rating: 1
Oh yeah? Well I upgraded my first computer by replacing the mouse with a gerbil. But then the cat ate my gerbil, and I couldn't play Zork anymore.


RE: DDR4
By PaFromFL on 5/10/2013 9:39:09 AM , Rating: 2
I did that with my Sanyo MBC-550, doubling my RAM to 256 Kbytes. After buying TurboPascal, I was free from the tyranny of the high priests of the computer room. Good times. Good times.


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