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The majority of vehicle shopper support increased fuel efficiency standards

The Consumer Federation of America recently released a report that it calls the first progress report on the 54.5 mpg fuel efficiency standard. According to the CFA, consumers are demanding more fuel-efficient vehicles. According to the poll, the majority of Americans support federal government requirements increasing fuel economy for new cars.

“Looking at current market offerings, consumer purchasing trends and our surveys of consumer demand, there is no doubt that the federal effort to significantly raise fuel economy is benefiting, consumers, car companies, autoworkers and the environment”, said Jack Gillis, report co-author who is CFA’s Director of Public Affairs and author of The Car Book.

Those federal regulations stipulate that new cars achieve 35 mpg fleetwide average by 2017 and an average of 55 mpg by 2025. 85% of respondents to the survey said that they support these requirements with 54% saying they strongly support the standards.

Fuel efficiency is highly sought after when it comes to purchasing new vehicles with 88% respondents to the survey saying that in their next vehicle purchase, fuel economy will be an important factor and 59% say fuel economy will be a very important factor influencing the purchase.

Survey respondents who say fuel economy is very important to them expect their next vehicle to get 12 mpg more than the current vehicle. Consumers who already have a relatively efficient vehicle getting at least 24 mpg the intended purchase a new vehicle in the future want at least a seven mpg increase putting their desires at approximately 31 mpg.

The survey also found that 50% of respondents who said they intend to purchase an SUV want fuel efficiency of at least 25 mpg.

“These results should lay to rest any concerns that some car dealers had about consumer demand for more fuel efficient vehicles,” said Gillis.  In spite of the support of car companies, unions, consumer and environmental groups, the National Automobile Dealers Association was the only major entity opposed to the new requirements.

Source: ConsumerFed



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RE: Well...
By Spuke on 5/8/2013 11:55:02 AM , Rating: 2
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Why do performance models have to be wiped off the map just to fit a fleet average, they are reducing the choice for everyone and producing cars. Doesnt seem right to me.
Which performance cars have been wiped off the map? There's more fast cars than ever IMO. Look at the acceleration times of the 6 speed manual V6 Honda Accord coupe. 14 flat @ 103 mph in the 1/4 mile. And that's not even a performance car. Nearly every grocery getter has 250+ hp and the sports cars have 300+. The Camaro's back, Toyota has a new sports car, the new Vette is awesome. I think you're WAY off base here.


RE: Well...
By ballist1x on 5/8/13, Rating: -1
RE: Well...
By BRB29 on 5/8/2013 12:51:57 PM , Rating: 4
So you listed the cars that went out of production and not the new ones?

How about mazdaspeed3/6
How about 370z, G37, M56?
How about Scion TC, FRS and the Subaru version
How about the LFA?
How about the Jaguar F type
How about BMW M1, 4 series, 6 series, 1 series?
How about Audi A3, TT RS?
How about the Camaro, Challenger, SRTs vehicles?
There's a ton of new cars that more than replaced the EOL ones.

The GTR is actually a very cheap supercar. It cost under 100k and can beat ferraris and lambos easily that are twice the price.

The NSX was the epitomy of the V6 Honda? When it came out in 1991, it was one of the best supercar you can buy. It also is still the most reliable supercar ever made. The lightweight all aluminum body and chassis mid engine was also achieved. It never received any major updates so it fell behind but it was definitely worthy of supercar title when it launched.

You obviously stopped keeping up with the auto industry. The RX8 is not a replacement for the RX7. The only reason there's no replacement for them was reliability and budget issues.


RE: Well...
By alpha754293 on 5/9/2013 2:51:21 PM , Rating: 2
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Well the NSX died. That was the epitomy of the V6 Honda for a start.


NSX is on it's way back. Acura I think unveiled the concept/prototype either this year or last year at the North American International Auto Show. It's due out for 2015 (I guess that it got pushed back by a year) and it's going to be a hybrid.

You can read more about it here:
http://www.motortrend.com/future/future_vehicles/1...


RE: Well...
By freedom4556 on 5/8/2013 1:24:35 PM , Rating: 1
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Nearly every grocery getter has 250+ hp
Uhhh, no? Nothing with a naturally aspirated four cylinder has more than 200 hp, and they've been cutting sizes down now that they have VVT and DI, eg. the 2.0L engines are being replaced with 1.6L engines. GM has a new 1.0L three cylinder in the works that evokes memories of horrid Metros and Yugos of the 90s. These won't even have maunals either. You either get a shit-tastic car for under 25k or a "performace car" for 35k plus. 300 hp and front wheel drive isn't a performance car, IMO. The speed3 is a joke.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detail...


RE: Well...
By BRB29 on 5/8/2013 1:36:31 PM , Rating: 2
Honda S2000


RE: Well...
By freedom4556 on 5/8/2013 1:39:23 PM , Rating: 2
...and GT86/BRZ or Miata, your point? There are about 3 corner case of rear-wheel drive cars under $25k.


RE: Well...
By Spuke on 5/8/2013 2:39:20 PM , Rating: 2
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There are about 3 corner case of rear-wheel drive cars under $25k.
Man those goal posts are picking up speed! LOL! Now we're capping the price to under $25k when NONE of those cars you listed were under $25k when new.


RE: Well...
By freedom4556 on 5/8/2013 1:40:02 PM , Rating: 2
And BTW, the S2000 is out of production.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_S2000


RE: Well...
By BRB29 on 5/8/2013 2:50:45 PM , Rating: 2
you said no NA 4 cyl engine have more than 200hp. There's actually several. Honda S2000 is the more common one. I didn't know you can keep popping up new rules and say EOL or not.


RE: Well...
By Just Tom on 5/8/2013 5:39:18 PM , Rating: 2
Honda does not manufacture the S2000 anymore.


RE: Well...
By Spuke on 5/8/2013 2:37:24 PM , Rating: 3
Uhhh yeah. Now you're moving the goal posts. You said PERFORMANCE CAR not normally aspirated sports car. I mentioned the Accord as an example that you can get a performance car without even getting the tag performance car (14 flat in the 1/4 is a performance car...sorry). Do you even know that there's family sedans with 250+ hp on the market? Sports cars with 300+ hp? As BRB mentioned there's PLENTY of performance. And whoever rated me down is an ignorant idiot (had to mention that). Also, nearly all of those cars you listed were from 15-20 years ago?? WTF is that? The article only mentions 2005 as the earliest date for their data so we're only talking about recent cars not old one's and that makes sense because our supposed preference for better fuel economy in cars is only recent.


RE: Well...
By Mint on 5/8/2013 4:08:55 PM , Rating: 1
You're absolutely right. It's amazing how affordable and commonplace high performance cars have become.

Once EVs and PHEVs start becoming more commonplace, performance is going to have an even lower incremental cost. Doubling horsepower in a combustion engine needs far more raw materials, cooling, fuel consumption, etc than doubling it in an electric motor. EVs will eventually make performance upgrades have no compromises and much more common.


RE: Well...
By Spuke on 5/8/2013 7:06:27 PM , Rating: 3
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EVs will eventually make performance upgrades have no compromises and much more common
Well, no. EV's geared towards performance will always require a larger battery aka more energy storage. This will require performance cars to weigh more or weight will be removed to offset the weight gained from the higher capacity battery. Range would also suffer. So, there's always going to be compromises, EV's or not.


RE: Well...
By Mint on 5/9/2013 6:02:11 AM , Rating: 1
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EV's geared towards performance will always require a larger battery aka more energy storage.
Not necessarily. Right now manufacturers are just playing it safe with these batteries and electronics. A123's production batteries could do 2600W/kg, so 200kg of them (20kWh) can give you 700hp peak (10s), or 400hp continuous. Substituting them in for 20kWh of a typical battery pack would only add a little more weight, if any. Even those typical batteries will probably get this good in a few years.

The power density of batteries became good enough for performance cars a long time ago. People use lithium ion batteries for RC helicopters, where power to weight is even more important. They want 500+ W/kg for the machine overall, while a Gallardo has <300 W/kg.


RE: Well...
By p3ngwin on 5/9/2013 1:55:44 AM , Rating: 2
"300 hp and front wheel drive isn't a performance car,"

riiiight.

performance car is quite easily thought of as "more than the average working-class person needs for commuting and lifestyle" .

Anything more than that, instantly becomes a minority case, and sportcars for the consumer are exactly that. i'd venture anything over 175HP is a sport car as that satisfies nearly every working class person's needs.

This does not speak of flatbeds like Ford F150's because obviously they are not cars an are for tradies, etc.

for a regular 2-7 seater vehicle, less than 200HP is plenty.


RE: Well...
By Nutzo on 5/9/2013 6:24:59 PM , Rating: 1
So, you are saying that the curent 4 cyl Camry is a sports car? (178 HP)

Most people complain it's too slow, although I find my much older Camry at 150 HP fast enough.


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