quote: "Nevermind, I take it all back. Masher2 disagreed with ebay "forcing" its customers to use Paypal by kicking any user from using Google checkout. If he doesn't see the relationship to the Intel/AMD antitrust case, then I guess he is not really debating the need for antitrust laws but is just an Intel Fanboi..."
quote: would be really funny if microsoft just takes out all windows from the eu market.
quote: If anything it should be MS who cannot be trusted since they are the ones who have a very long history of antitrust cases.
quote: europe has alot more strict legislation concerning monopolies and free market. we are not america. we dont tolerate controlled markets and we try to stop them.
quote: You're so quick to jump all over American's rear ends... when it was the USA that saved your "arses"... TWICE...
And where is the EU now, with Iran knocking on your door with the possibility of nukes?
SCREAMING for help from the United States...
quote: Ah, so you believe Iran and the nations of the EU are actively conspiring to aid the US in this invasion? Remember, its Iran who is-- by its own admission-- enriching uranium and the EU itself who is desperately submitting proposals to Iran to persuade it to give up its nuclear ambitions.
quote: So you're saying you'd rather the Third Reich would have been victorious?
quote: The reason the EU is desperately submitting the proposals is to prevent an US invasion of Iran. Iran could very well be developing nuclear weapons for all I know; if your worst enemy has conquered two of your neighbours and has you surrounded from almost all directions, building nukes not only seems reasonable, it in fact becomes a very good way of ensuring that you don't end up next on the list of occupied countries. Even if they weren't enriching uranium, the White House would come up with some other excuse, this merely saves the time of making up some false intelligence.
quote: While it is a very unrealistic proposition (you only need to look at a map to see how crazy the idea of occupying Russia is to realise that the Germans would have lost even without the US), I guess with hindsight we can say that things turned out ok after all even if things looked a bit hairy during the cold war. What I meant with the comment about my country being in the Axis was that it's stupid to say that the US saved us Europeans, because the US could have joined the Axis and still technically have saved the Europeans (this time from the Soviets)!
quote: So ure willing to take the chance of major terrorist attacks with iranian nuclear bombs because you don't like the US? OR something along those lines ... *cough* european wuss *cough*
quote: Besides even the EU doesn't have a coherrent foreign policy sooo ....
quote: Wasn't the original plan just for the nazis to invade russia upto and including moscow and down to the oilfields and be done with it? Moving no further than the urals?
quote: Cool you just pointed out that the americans saved us europeans not once but twice.
quote: Let us just sum up correctly here:
Britain (from eventually falling into german hands)
Germany (oppressive regime)
Italy (oppressive regime and later germany)
quote: One can then debate if switzerland and sweden would have been allowed their independence if germany had invaded the rest?
quote: Lastly you talk about germany might have been able to increase your land area. At whose expence? France, Holland, Poland? Why not suggest that in the EU then ?
quote: And then you beat the US for removing a dictator or 2 ?
quote: Are you outta your mind??? Here I was thinking that its normally americans that exhibit this retardo behaviour without thought.
First of all as a european I wouldn't trust a regime like Iran with either nuclear powerplants much less weapon grade fissile material. Hell I wouldn't trust Iran with toilet cleaner and a car.
quote: Why would the US permanently occupy a middleeaster contry? Why would a president (and subsequently his party) take that kind of hit to the ratings if there wasn't even a slightly rational reason behind it?
quote: How many countries have the US colonized for decades? Like european countries did for centuries?
quote: Your grand parents fought on the axis side? Well thats really a thing to be proud off. Them being a member of the more or less most publicly hated political orientation / side in human history.
quote: Well germany kinda forfeited the right to have a country in those years. Hell you could have NOT started that war????
quote: Just as likely as the US "helped" soviets an attempted annexation of your country.
quote: Totally aside from the fact that it was the US and Nato who kept westgermany safe during the cold war.
quote: And the marshall help ???
quote: The Iranian regime is a brutal dictatorship which has suppressed all democratic rights during the last 25 years. It has attacked the vast majority of the Iranian population and consistently violated their rights with impunity....the greater majority of the population of Iran [has] been under constant pressure and harassment, including hundreds of thousands of arrests and tens of thousands of extra-judicial executions....
quote: "For the Iranian people to have a fully free choice about their country's future, they should be able to vote for candidates who hold the full range of political views, not just candidates selected for them,"
quote: We saved as many as we could. And you're still dodging the point. When you say "My grandparents fought for the Axis side, you didn't help ME", you're implying you wish the Nazis to have won.
A rather illuminating viewpoint, I think we all agree.
quote: Honestly, I am aghast at your utter lack of of knowledge of the history of your own country. Are you not even aware of the Ribbentrop Pact, where Germany and the USSR divided up Eastern Europe between them. Your lovely Axis powers *gave* Finland to the USSR, in exchange for concessions in other territories. Luckily for your nation, Germany didn't keep its part of the bargain however.
Furthermore, I'd like to point out that, while Finland *began* WW2 fighting with the Axis powers, it *ended* the war fighting on the side of the Allied. Or have you never heard of the Lapland War either?
Furthermore, it's clearly obvious that Germany, had it been victorious, would not only have occupied all the rest of the territories it ceded to the USSR, but Finland as well. So yes-- the Allied Forces did indeed "help you" retain your independence. But don't worry...we don't mind if you refuse to say "thank you".
Yes, we consider the Third Reich as evil. Its interesting that your own "point of view" is otherwise.
quote: by masher2 on July 7, 2006 at 8:11 PM
The average European can afford less in the way of housing, consumer and luxury goods, transportation, and most other sectors. This tempts one to ask, "where's the benefit"?
quote: The only reason MS has a commanding lead of the market share is because consumers put them there.
quote: The EU has warned that Microsoft's allowing rivals access to its software source code may not be enough to prevent European Union action...
Competition Commissioner Neelie Kroes added that users needed more than just the source code - they also need comprehensive instructions that would allow them to develop software compatible with Windows systems ...
quote: In other words, the EU not only wants Microsoft to give its trade secrets to its competitors, but also to spend time and money training them on how to best use it.
quote: Yes, that's a good deal. So if I want to make car parts, I should be able to get Bosch to provide me with fuel injection specifications, design, and source vendors. At which point I would just replace their name with mine and call the product "competitive." I wouldn't care about making a better product, because I should just let Bosch do that work for me, and take their RD as my own.
quote: Not a monopoly! HAHA. What dreamland do you live in creathir.
quote: if I raised capital and busted my arse through decades of hard work to build up a business that eventually "owned market share"
quote: Use a different platform then! NO ONE IS FORCING YOU TO USE WINDOWS!
quote: by gplracer on July 7, 2006 at 10:07 PM
What would happen if Microsoft said "screw it!" and decided to stop selling products in the Europe?
quote: The point of bundling, is to squeeze the competition off. By incorporating solutions into an OS, most people will just use what's already there in the OS. They will NOT even bother using third-party solutions. This is NOT offering people the choice to choose what they want. MS is NOT informing the user of their options, and letting them choose. That's the point. Apparently, you fail to see that.
quote: once again to restate, MS may be a large company but are they no way a monopoly
i'm sorry but you're most definatly wrong.
quote: monopoly (from the Latin word monoplium - Greek language monos, one + polein, to sell) is defined as a persistent market situation where there is only one provider of a kind of product or service. Monopolies are characterized by a lack of economic competition for the good or service that they provide and a lack of viable substitute goods.
quote: Bottom line, Windows is where it is because it's capabilities make it a useful tool for the majority of computer users.
quote: Reuters Sept 2005 - The software giant is taking the Commission to the European Court of First Instance to prevent the source code of its server communication protocols from entering the public domain...
quote: THE WALL STREET JOURNAL has seen a confidential document from the European Commission telling Microsoft that offering source code wouldn't be enough to avoid antitrust action....
quote: The problem of Windows is, that it is too feature rich.
quote: The company was ordered to turn over more information about its software, so that competitors are able to create software that is better able to work with Microsoft products. The same judgment also requires Windows to not come bundled with the Microsoft Windows Media Player media program.