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TDK 25GB Blu-ray Media Rated at 6x - Image courtesy PC Watch

TDK 100GB Media - Image courtesy PC Watch
TDK takes Blu-ray to 3 times the current media speed

With the bulk of Blu-ray writers launching at 2x write speeds, a higher speed media seems a little premature. However, TDK brought Blu-ray media rated at 6x to the 8th Annual Data Storage Expo in Japan and expects to launch media rated at 4x before the end of 2006.

The 6x media is a single layer 25GB Blu-ray disc which probably won't reap benefits until 6x drives come out. We are guessing we won't see 6x drives until at least later this year or early 2007 given the launch trends of previous optical standards.

TDK was also showing off 100GB Blu-ray media which we reported on back in April. The 100GB media uses a 4-layer process which has spacer layers between. TDK's latest trend graph shows a maximum speed of 4x for 100GB media.

TDK did again hint at 200GB media on that same trend graph which also shows a 6x write speed. The 200GB media is an 8-layer media on a single side. We probably won't see that density for another year or two so we’ll have to be satisfied with the current 25GB/50GB capacities.



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Wishful thinking I know but still....
By rushfan2006 on 7/5/2006 2:48:53 PM , Rating: 2
Granted the mainstream game publishers are still yet to fully adoptt DVDs for game distribution, but imagine the potential years from now....a single game disc holding 100 gigs of data....good god the size, depth and immersion factor they could build into games with that kind of storage media to work with....incredible.




RE: Wishful thinking I know but still....
By bpurkapi on 7/5/2006 3:53:48 PM , Rating: 2
The capacity of the disc is much greater than the capacity of game developers to fill it up...
Most games are 2-4gb, and next gen games are on dvd-9, so you will have to wait a couple more generations to see a 100gb game.
For all the pirates out there: 25gb hd movies are gonna be a pain in the a## to download, as are 9gb games, broadband aint so broad for the next generation of media and its huge data sizes.


RE: Wishful thinking I know but still....
By One43637 on 7/5/2006 4:06:00 PM , Rating: 2
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For all the pirates out there: 25gb hd movies are gonna be a pain in the a## to download, as are 9gb games, broadband aint so broad for the next generation of media and its huge data sizes.


well Fios will do well to help with speeds... or whatever else they can come up with to move on from old copper.

straight from Verizon's website. there's a one year agreement on all these.

Up to 5 Mbps/2 Mbps FREE $34.95
Up to 15 Mbps/2 Mbps FREE $44.95
Up to 30 Mbps/5 Mbps FREE $179.95

http://www22.verizon.com/content/consumerfios/pack...


RE: Wishful thinking I know but still....
By InternetGeek on 7/5/2006 5:41:10 PM , Rating: 2
quote:

Up to 5 Mbps/2 Mbps FREE $34.95
Up to 15 Mbps/2 Mbps FREE $44.95
Up to 30 Mbps/5 Mbps FREE $179.95


There is something so wrong about that.




RE: Wishful thinking I know but still....
By One43637 on 7/5/2006 7:12:17 PM , Rating: 2
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There is something so wrong about that.


wrong in what way? FIOS isn't available to a lot of people, that's the only thing that i can recall off the top of my head.


By tigz1218 on 7/6/2006 9:22:59 AM , Rating: 2
i think he is referring to the "Free" part that had me confused too, but once you click the link you see the free is for the installation.


RE: Wishful thinking I know but still....
By mxrider on 7/5/2006 3:57:12 PM , Rating: 2
Then we would all need terabyte sized drives......


RE: Wishful thinking I know but still....
By rushfan2006 on 7/5/2006 4:23:13 PM , Rating: 2
True enough on both your point on Terabyte drives and the other poster's point on waiting before 100gb games come about. However, knowing the rate this industry moves I see this all within 10 years (especially the terabyte drive part)...the 100gb game, maybe that'll take 15 years MAX.

Then again in 10 years look how far graphics and sound in games have come, so I say in 10 more years live-action game play graphics will look as good as graphics only seen in cutscenes and introductions now. And I imagine that level of graphic detail will be a space hog too.

So who knows -- purely from the gamer side of me..its all pretty exciting stuff to think about.



By dagamer34 on 7/5/2006 4:24:54 PM , Rating: 2
While all this technology is nice, it's probably going to fall into a niche market just like DVD+/-DL and DVD Audio.

It doesn't really matter if it can hold 1TB if it isn't affordable.


By RMTimeKill on 7/5/2006 4:49:25 PM , Rating: 2
10 years for 1TB drives? they already have 750GB drives... I say in the next 18-24 months max for 1TB HDD. Still... very exciting stuff. Movies are gonna look better at home then in the theater (provided you have a 1080p+ TV of course)


RE: Wishful thinking I know but still....
By clementlim on 7/5/2006 7:23:00 PM , Rating: 2
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Most games are 2-4gb, and next gen games are on dvd-9, so you will have to wait a couple more generations to see a 100gb game


Hmm...100GB does not necessary need to be installation files you know. Could be HD sound and/or CG videos. A couple of generations you say? Hmm, thought PS3 is coming out end of this year with games on BD-ROM. Guess sooner or later, they will be using those 100GB discs.


RE: Wishful thinking I know but still....
By Xavian on 7/5/2006 7:55:07 PM , Rating: 2
unless you have you head in the sand, the fact even at the very end of the PS3's lifespan there wont be one PS3 game that will require two 25GB Blu-Ray discs, its just not possible to even use up 25GB of assets.

Compression of textures (which is exceptionally good quality, i doubt anyone would see the different between compressed and non-compressed textures nowadays) means textures take up a lot less space then 10 years ago.

FMV's would have to be 1080p (which i doubt they will be, even top PC games that use FMV's only use a low resolution and simply scale upwards) plus last longer then 2 hours plus the adddition of all game data for the limit of blu-ray to be even reached.

The fact is, by the end of the PS3's lifespan i'd be surprised if even DVD-DL discs are at their limit when it comes to games. With graphics progressing forwards, FMV's dont even need to be used (as has been noticed theres been a sharp increase in cut-scenes using the in-game engine over the past 3-4 years).

HD sound (as you call it) has been around for eons in the form of lossless codecs and these take up next to nothing compared to the sizes of movies. Besides there is no such thing has 'HD' sound, since sound has pretty much reached the pinnicle with lossless (bitrates dont matter with lossless if the exact audio is there, just organised more efficently), sound is simply not a progressive technology.

You people really need to read up about effective compression use in games, music and movies, before going round spouting 'Blu-ray is gonna make games awesome!!'.

Programmers are CPU and GPU bound, they are certainly not space bound by any means, not for quite a while.


By masher2 (blog) on 7/6/2006 12:12:39 PM , Rating: 2
> "its just not possible to even use up 25GB of assets."

25 years ago, people were saying it wasn't possible to use up 64K of RAM. Not 64 Meg-- 64K.

We can assume at least a five-year lifespan for the PS3. I feel quite confident that more than one game will exceed 25GB by then. My son is currently beta-testing a (PC-based) game that requires 20-25GB. Who knows what the market will be like in 5 years?

> "even top PC games that use FMV's only use a low resolution and simply scale upwards) "

Yes of course...but WHY do they do so? Primarily because they don't have the space to ship the resultant video...not unless they want to create a higher-cost multidisk installation.


By robber98 on 7/6/2006 12:33:42 PM , Rating: 2
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its just not possible to even use up 25GB of assets.


Nothing is impossible; imagination and creativity make everything possible ;)


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