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TDK 25GB Blu-ray Media Rated at 6x - Image courtesy PC Watch

TDK 100GB Media - Image courtesy PC Watch
TDK takes Blu-ray to 3 times the current media speed

With the bulk of Blu-ray writers launching at 2x write speeds, a higher speed media seems a little premature. However, TDK brought Blu-ray media rated at 6x to the 8th Annual Data Storage Expo in Japan and expects to launch media rated at 4x before the end of 2006.

The 6x media is a single layer 25GB Blu-ray disc which probably won't reap benefits until 6x drives come out. We are guessing we won't see 6x drives until at least later this year or early 2007 given the launch trends of previous optical standards.

TDK was also showing off 100GB Blu-ray media which we reported on back in April. The 100GB media uses a 4-layer process which has spacer layers between. TDK's latest trend graph shows a maximum speed of 4x for 100GB media.

TDK did again hint at 200GB media on that same trend graph which also shows a 6x write speed. The 200GB media is an 8-layer media on a single side. We probably won't see that density for another year or two so we’ll have to be satisfied with the current 25GB/50GB capacities.



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8 layers ...
By VooDooAddict on 7/5/2006 2:36:20 PM , Rating: 1
Wow ... 8 layers? Can HD-DVD layer like that? If not that looks like the first serious advantage I've seen for Blu-Ray. Sure I knew blu-ray had more storage then HD-DVD but I had no idea it could layer that deep.




RE: 8 layers ...
By lucyfek on 7/5/2006 2:50:19 PM , Rating: 2
how many dl-dvd do you buy? close to none? is it because of price? i think the same will happen with br media. single layer will be the most affordable and purchased option out of all to come. 25GB is fine especially at high burn speed. more layer is great but not at n times the price of single layer (where n exceeds the square of the number of layers, linear relation would be welcome, but nowhere to be seen).


RE: 8 layers ...
By robber98 on 7/5/2006 7:18:25 PM , Rating: 2
Well... you are right, I didn't get any DL-DVD. Price is only part of the reason. The main reason is DL-DVD isn't enough for my video files in 1080P. I need something like Blue-ray or HD-DVD to store my video files. It seems to me that Blue-ray solution is more scalable then HD-DVD and price should come down within a year or 2.


RE: 8 layers ...
By 9nails on 7/8/2006 6:09:20 AM , Rating: 2
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...It seems to me that Blue-ray solution is more scalable then HD-DVD and price should come down within a year or 2.


...which is just about the time that I will be looking to replace my home movie camera and needing to archive those birthday and holiday videos. And DRM in either BD or HD DVD have me looking for alternatives. In a year or two, perhaps I'll simply employ an inexpensive storage array for my movies and bypass disc storage all together.


RE: 8 layers ...
By Visual on 7/5/2006 9:16:17 PM , Rating: 3
recordable dl dvds are expencive because they use totally different specifications. they are like a strap-on extension to the original specs.

bluray was intended for high-capacity rewritable media from the ground up, so there won't be such significant price differences.

the launch prices for single and dual layer discs have already been announced, and duals are roughly just double the price. linear relation, as good as it gets i think.
we'll have to see if they drop in price equally fast though, and also at what prices the 4 and 8 layer discs might launch at.

and just for the record (and for those that asked) hd-dvd current specs top out at 2 layers, and there were plans to extend it to 3 but that'd take more than half the disc depth and i think they decided just making the discs double-sided, double layer is better.


RE: 8 layers ...
By namechamps on 7/6/2006 12:05:22 AM , Rating: 2
HD triple layer was never canceled. It is a writable format only just like this.

Both HD triple layer (45GB) and BlueRay 4 layer (100GB) are for data storage not movies. ie R & RW not ROM.

So this 100GB disk WILL NOT play in your set top blueray player. The BlueRay video format top outs @ dual layer. Your set top player would not understand what to do with this disk.

So big question comes down to cost. If Blueray can deliver of $$ / GB and equal HD-DVD then I think it will win in data storage. Funny thing is one format could win in video/movie industry and another could win in data storage relm.

I personally think HD-DVD will be cheaper in terms of $$/GB than BlueRay and will get cheaper quicker. Capacity will ramp up quickly for HD-DVD since it can using DVD-R production equipment.

If in say 18months the costs are something like:
HD-DVD 15GB ($3)
HD-DVD 30GB ($7)

BlueRay 25GB ($10)
BlueRay 50GB ($20)
BlueRay 100GB ($50)
BlueRay 200GB ($120)

then I think HD-DVD will win. However if Blueray can deliver similar value in terms of $$/GB then it will likely win. BlueRay doesn't need to be cheaper because it has a higher capacity, but higher cap at much higher prices means it will be skipped. Just look at DVD-R and DVD-DL.


RE: 8 layers ...
By yyrkoon on 7/6/2006 1:22:39 AM , Rating: 3
I think the whole point is moot, unless they come down lower than PATA, or SATA storage, people are going to start migrating to HDD storage instead. whats the point of buying a flimsy disk, when you can buy a USB 2.0 enclosure / HDD much cheaper ?

Interresting times indeed, but I personally think the time of removable storage is nearing an end, we'll see.



RE: 8 layers ...
By robber98 on 7/6/2006 12:19:35 PM , Rating: 2
Imagine taking 25 hours movies in 1080P format on the road, would you take a HDD or 1 Blue-ray disc that only weight few ounce? ;)


RE: 8 layers ...
By Shivian on 7/6/2006 8:12:54 AM , Rating: 2
Only a matter of time. Single layer DVDs weren't reasonably priced all that long ago compared to CD-Rs. Dual layer DVDs are only going to come down in price too.


By hmurchison on 7/5/2006 6:14:17 PM , Rating: 2
And why would I want it to? TDK certainly isn't offering up any projected pricing but considering 50GB discs are damn near $1 a Gigabit I'd expect to pay $150 for these discs.



Removable media is obsolete
By yyrkoon on 7/6/2006 1:59:15 AM , Rating: 2
As I posted above, I think TDK, and who ever else the market technology leaders are concering removable media, are going to end up making themselves extinct. In the past, I've seen the birth of CD's to current disk media technology, and every time, they get greedy, and price media / writters too high for the general public.

My forecast is this: they are going to do the same thing, trying to squeeze blood from a turnip, and suddenly most people are finally going to realize (and its already been like this for awhile), that buying an external USB enclosure / HDD will yield far more storage, for a fraction of the cost, and for all intents and purposes (in the household) removable media will die. people will stop using set tops for watching movies etc, but in fact will be using some form of a media PC, with a removable storage system, and perhaps someday soon, when the new MP3 format protection scheme gets implemented into movies, everyone will be allowed to download movies (for a fee), and be charged per viewing.

As it stands right now, there is no place for a DVD or better writter in our place, we've all already migrated to HDD, since its cheaper, can hold much more data / movies, etc. I still have a DVD-DL burner, but it never gets used for other than reading any more. Sure HDDs are larger, but if you compare how much a 250 GB drive can hold, and count out enough disks, and even using slimline cases, you'll see the HDD with enclosure is actually smaller :)

How about them apples TDK . . .


RE: Removable media is obsolete
By yyrkoon on 7/6/2006 2:05:17 AM , Rating: 2
scratch 'removeable' and insert external -----> 'but in fact will be using some form of a media PC, with a removable storage system'


RE: Removable media is obsolete
By robber98 on 7/6/2006 12:29:14 PM , Rating: 2
Keep in mind that no matter how good HDD is, HDD won't last longer then removable media (e.g. CD, DVD... etc). From price per storage standpoint, you are right on that, removable media has no match to HDD. But removable media is great for backup and contents distribution, they will not extinct from storage market. Imagine you have a 50 GB video file that in 1080P format and you want to send it to your friends and family, you aren't going to copy it to HDD and ship it over, are you? ;)


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