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Gates along with Palm execs
Microsoft's Windows Mobile that is

This week Palm held its quarterly earning conference call and during the call, Palm mentioned two future Treo devices, one of which is expected to be delivered in August or September and the other by the end of this year. However, Palm has stumbled onto some road blocks.

First, the Treo 650 will stop shipping in Europe because of new hazardous waste regulations that are taking effect that the phone does not comply with.  Palm is feverously working to ready its next devices currently codenamed ‘Lennon’ and ‘Nitro’ to Europe and US markets as soon as it possibly can, but the company didn’t have any release dates available during the call. Not a lot of information is available about the new devices planned by Palm, but we do know that Nitro will be based off on the PalmOS and Lennon will run Windows Mobile 2005 -- this is according to documents recently obtained by Engadget.

It also looks like non-phone Palm products probably won’t last much longer as LifeDrive wasn’t the product Palm was hoping it would be and hasn’t sold as well as projected. This is further supported by comments made by Palm CEO Ed Colligan, indicating that the company continues to refocus on its smartphone products. Palm’s non-smartphone handhelds and other device sales numbers have also steadily declined over the last four years from 100% of sales in 2003 to only 25% of sales today.

Regarding email push functionality, Mr. Colligan noted that companies have been slow to embrace the feature because they are hesitant to migrate to Microsoft's Exchange Server 2003 SP2. Many large enterprise customers don’t even run Exchange so it doesn’t make sense for them to install another system at increased cost just to support mobile mail. This puts some companies at a distinct disadvantage to the Blackberry devices which require no significant changes to software and hardware to support the feature.

There were also some other comments made during the call that lead us to believe that PalmOS may be on the way out. According to Palm, developing for two separate operating systems is too expensive, and more devices coming to market continue to ship with Windows Mobile. Although the change isn’t reflected in Palm's current device roadmap, the company mentioned that it would make sense. RIM devices run on RIM OS and although it faces heavy competition from Microsoft, RIM devices have a good deal of enterprise level penetration. From the sounds of things, Palm is in the same ballpark as other mobile smartphone makers. Try as it might, Palm doesn’t seem like it's  gaining much headway against RIM and the Blackberry in the enterprise and business markets. With this in mind, we could be witnessing an entire new line of products from Palm shipping with Windows Mobile.



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Death to BlackBerry
By RyanLM on 7/2/2006 5:12:05 PM , Rating: 2
Give it time!

The BlackBerry Enterprise server is a proven product. The built in Exchange Push tech is new, and requires a service pack to work.

That said I purchased a Treo 700w Jan 5th of this year on release day and a week later I had a smile on my face as I threw away the Blackberry I had for over a year, and thought I loved.

I am part of an ISP, we do loads of Colo and Virtual hosting. If I NEVER had to install and setup the MESS that is Blackberry Enterprise Server again, I would do quite the happy dance. How bloated, complex does this need to be to send damn text messages to a phone? Why did I need a separate server to install BES on? Why can I not keep that server update with Exchange patches (cause it breaks)?

The built in Push Email with exchange is GREAT, it just works. The setup is a SNAP, I think the phone asks you 3 questions: 1) What is your OWA Address, 2) Username/Pass 3) What would you like to sync? Heaven!

What's More is the BlackBerry Phones SUCK. I am a CEO/CTO - I want to do more with my phone than just email and talking. Everyone in my office that still has a BB also has an iPod - Not me. This Treo 700w is:

1) A GREAT phone
2) A MP3/WMA/Subscription Player
3) A Video Player
4) A Camera/Video Camera
5) A true web browser
6) Built in Office - Outlook, Word, Excel, PowerPoint
7) I can watch LIVE tv on it with my SlingBox'
8) GPS 3d Navigation (with BT GPS)
on and on.

Or you can get a crap phone with email push that is a pain to setup and maintain, and actually consumes more server resources than it needs to.





RE: Death to BlackBerry
By retrospooty on 7/2/2006 5:29:44 PM , Rating: 2
I agree, TReo's rock ! . I prefer the Palm OS Treo 700p to the w but both are great. I dont think Palm will be getting rid of Palm OS anytime soon, they just signed a contract to use it until the year 2010, this is after the Treo 700w was released. They have stated that future devices would be the same hardware platform, available on both OS's. Yes, it is expensive to develop, but they will sell more devices that way.


RE: Death to BlackBerry
By QueBert on 7/2/2006 5:31:48 PM , Rating: 2
I personally hate Blackbarries, a shame so many companies swear by them. Waiting for the 700P to hit Verizon and I might pick one up. Gotta love the idea of using it as a high speed modem on a PC :)


RE: Death to BlackBerry
By Lord 666 on 7/2/2006 10:05:09 PM , Rating: 2
Verizon already has the Treo 700P as it was released 6/9 for retail customers. I've had it for about 3 weeks now.

I've had the Treo since the 600 and they have made huge improvements every revision.


RE: Death to BlackBerry
By vision33r on 7/7/2006 10:31:36 AM , Rating: 1
Sounds like you're a CEO/CTO of a tiny firm.. A real CEO/CTO should not be wasting time on gadgets and more time on company or corporate politics/issues..

The selling point of BES is that it works with Exchange 5.5 and Lotus Notes, it also provides a touchless method to manage the device users. Show me how you can manage Treo devices remotely, asset tagging, change user settings for each device, and don't have to train the users how to use the device.

You give the Treo to big corp CEO, they will instantly frown at how poor the battery life and how technical it looks.

CEOs don't care about camera phone, they just need a simple phone, email device.. that's what Blackberrys are..

Its like the ipod debate..


RE: Death to BlackBerry
By RyanLM on 7/8/2006 6:45:05 PM , Rating: 2
I am not a fortune 500 company. We are about a 50 person corporation. We also primarily work with the SMB market. I would agree that some of BES features are useful in very large organizations, however Exchange/Treo covers the most important ones. I can wipe a handled out in the field, or just disable it. I can't control calls made, or get as fine grained as you can with BES polices, however it also usually isnt needed.

The big push for these phones is email anywhere, not many of the features that go unused in BES.

I would also argue that the Treo with Windows Mobile is going to feel MUCH more familiar to any business person than a blackberry. It works similarly to widows, has a start button, word, excel, outlook. It has point and click as well as hands free. A much better web browser, and is also much easier to install 3rd party apps, and hell much easier to create your own apps.

Half the people we have deployed with these phones have their music on them and now have one less thing to carry around.

The BlackBerry's lasted longer on battery, but I couldnt make it through 2 days with a BB, so I still needed to charge every night, same with the Treo.

CEO's do care about more than just phones, thats why they have an Ipod, a camera, and so on. Hell, I know a few that have 2 phones, and just use the BB for email because it sucks as a phone.


both oses
By Visual on 7/3/2006 1:10:13 AM , Rating: 2
if the p/w models indeed are the same hardware with different oses, one just has to wonder if its possible to flash one device with the other os. even better would be if they could include both oses and let the user choose which one to boot.

because its bad to have the two options separate - consumers like me would hesitate and wonder which one to buy, and will end up getting none.




RE: both oses
By jkresh on 7/3/2006 3:36:30 AM , Rating: 2
700p and 700w actually have slightly different hardware (at least screens) w is 240x240 (stupid as mobile5 is really meant for 4:3 screens i.e. 320x240) 700p is 320x320 (I could be mistaken)


RE: both oses
By retrospooty on 7/3/2006 11:34:57 AM , Rating: 2
You are correct. This is because WM05 does not support 320x320, although a future version will.


RE: both oses
By sheltem on 7/3/2006 1:37:02 PM , Rating: 2
The reason why WM5 is 240x240 is because it's cheaper to make a 480x480 screen (when the time comes...) than a 640x640 screen. I read this from a Windows Mobile developer blog.


RE: both oses
By retrospooty on 7/4/2006 11:44:08 AM , Rating: 2
Thats a nice lame excuse... Buncha crap though. MS will support it in a future release.



By Lord 666 on 7/2/2006 10:00:22 PM , Rating: 2
Been saying this for a long time...

Two weeks ago, I attended Networkers 2006 and the push was convergence using SIP. Microsoft was not mentioned at all, but handhelds were. With SIP, the major advantage is presence awareness, pushing the edge to cellphones and presence is the next logical step.

The way I look at it, the last market Cisco has not really penetrated is the cellphone segment. In addition to buying a cable box company, the more visible area would be to purchase a smartphone company. Paired with EVDO or the next generation 4G and the Treo sized screen, it will further push the IP Video segment.

Paird with Wifi, the Treo's would make excellent SIP based phones for corporate networks with the existing email intergration.

Already, the Treo is one of two official Cisco phones for employees, it would only make sense eat their own dog food and absorb Palm.

Also, if Cisco bought Palm, the "extra" cost of developing Palm wouldn't be an issue. To follow recent Cisco trends, they would introduce a truly Linux version and emulate the look and feel of Palm operating system.




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