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Fines will be applied to any vehicle that parks in the space without charging

If you've ever pulled into a gas station to fill up your car only to be stymied by someone who filled up their car and then went into the store to shop, you know how irritating it can be to be blocked from refueling. Apparently, Washington EV drivers are fed up with gasoline-powered vehicles using parking spaces in front of malls/shopping centers equipped with electric chargers and specially designated for electric vehicles.

The irritation for many electric vehicle owners is that there is currently no incentive in place to prevent gasoline-powered vehicle drivers from hogging spaces equipped with electric vehicle chargers.
 
The problem, however, is now being addressed by the Washington State Legislature with a new bill proposed last month that would impose a fine of $124 on drivers who park in a designated charging station without charging a vehicle. Lawmakers in the House approved the fine by a vote of 84-12. The fine had previously been approved by the state Senate and now goes to the governor to be signed into law or vetoed.

The fine won't only apply to gasoline vehicles that park in charging station spaces. Even electric vehicles parked in the charging station space, but not charging will be subject to the $124 fine. The bill also requires charging stations be marked with a vertical sign and green pavement making them marked in a similar method as handicapped spots.

The Obama administration is betting big on advanced powertrain technologies for automobiles, including fully electric vehicles. The administration last week announced a 75 percent increase in funding for vehicle research.

Source: Oregon Live



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RE: I have a question...
By retrospooty on 4/16/2013 10:56:58 AM , Rating: 4
Why would anyone park at a gas pump? They exist in a gas station only. EV parking can be anywhere like at malls and shopping centers as mentioned above.

What gets me, is why do they give primo parking spots for EV's. They should be reserved for EV's but not up in front and close like handicapped parking. They should be out back, behind, and out of the way so EV owners can A) charge thier car and B) hide their shame... Also good for the rest of us so we dont have to see it. ;)


RE: I have a question...
By othercents on 4/16/2013 10:58:01 AM , Rating: 2
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What gets me, is why do they give primo parking spots for EV's.

Because they are trying to entice people to purchase this overpriced vehicles not deter them.


RE: I have a question...
By retrospooty on 4/16/2013 11:11:05 AM , Rating: 2
LOL... I mean I know why they do that, I guess I dont know why they WANT to do that. What is the invcentive for the shopping center management that allocates the space? Probably some ridiculously large govt. kickback.


RE: I have a question...
By artemicion on 4/16/2013 12:12:40 PM , Rating: 3
Another incentive is that electric cars are generally expensive and are bought by the affluent. Luxury shopping malls (like South Coast in Irvine) have EV charging stations because they want to be "the place" rich people can go to shop and charge their expensive cars.

Also, charging stations are placed in "primo" spots due to cost as well. Closer to building = less wiring. It would be pretty stupid to install new wiring under the asphalt across the entire parking lot.


RE: I have a question...
By retrospooty on 4/16/2013 12:30:49 PM , Rating: 2
"Another incentive is that electric cars are generally expensive and are bought by the affluent. Luxury shopping malls (like South Coast in Irvine) have EV charging stations because they want to be "the place" rich people can go to shop and charge their expensive cars."

I dunno. I would think the affluent usually buy something nicer, like BMW, Mercedes, Jaguar, or even higher end if they can afford it.

"Also, charging stations are placed in "primo" spots due to cost as well. Closer to building = less wiring. It would be pretty stupid to install new wiring under the asphalt across the entire parking lot."

Anywhere on the side or rear would work. Also, any parking lot large enough to have anything described as "across the entire parking lot" would have lighting, so electricity is already there.


RE: I have a question...
By lagomorpha on 4/16/2013 1:39:48 PM , Rating: 2
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I dunno. I would think the affluent usually buy something nicer, like BMW, Mercedes, Jaguar, or even higher end if they can afford it.


It's really hard for a business to put in "Space reserved for people with really expensive cars" signs without invoking bad taste.


RE: I have a question...
By BRB29 on 4/16/2013 3:07:15 PM , Rating: 2
You don't need to be affluent to purchase a Model S. It's only $60k lol


RE: I have a question...
By Nutzo on 4/17/2013 11:44:29 AM , Rating: 2
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You don't need to be affluent to purchase a Model S. It's only $60k lol


Only $60k? You sound like one of those 1%'ers :)

One of the main reason so many electric cars and plugin hybrids are sold in Califonia is that they qualify for carpool lane stickers that allow single drivers to use the carpool lanes.
They are simply a way for the affluent to buy a faster/easier commute.


RE: I have a question...
By Dr. Kenneth Noisewater on 4/16/2013 11:26:40 AM , Rating: 3
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What gets me, is why do they give primo parking spots for EV's.


Probably easier to run 30A+ circuits through a wall rather than trenching out to parking spaces. Plus, shops can be seen to be "progressive".

Frankly though, public charging is kind of a waste of time unless it's in places which you leave your car for 2+ hours at a stretch, like office lots, movie theaters, airports, gov't buildings, maybe shopping malls. For a restaurant, bank, drug store, etc., you're not going to be there long enough for a meaningful charge.

As far as the legislation goes, what if the chargers are split between spaces (which is common: 2 spots served by 1 EVSE)? What if someone plugged in then someone comes by later and unplugs them to charge their own vehicle, or just for teh lulz?


RE: I have a question...
By fic2 on 4/16/2013 11:39:42 AM , Rating: 1
quote:
For a restaurant, bank, drug store, etc., you're not going to be there long enough for a meaningful charge.


Unless, of course, you are an employee or owner of the restaurant, bank, drug store, etc and have an EV...


RE: I have a question...
By Schrag4 on 4/16/2013 1:42:41 PM , Rating: 2
...in which case you shouldn't be parking in the prime customer parking spots anyway.


RE: I have a question...
By Schrag4 on 4/16/2013 1:52:41 PM , Rating: 1
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Probably easier to run 30A+ circuits through a wall rather than trenching out to parking spaces.


So, the people putting these charging stations in are as lazy as the EV drivers that need to park up front, got it.

Don't a lot of these parking lots already have light poles? I'm not suggesting the power line to those lights are rated for 30A, just pointing out that they already routinly trench out to the parking lot for power lines.


RE: I have a question...
By BRB29 on 4/16/2013 2:58:28 PM , Rating: 2
Let me give you perspective

Costs.

Break and repave concrete sidewalk = $200, concrete does not absorb heat

Break and run wires i parking lot = thousands, asphalt absorbs heat

Visibility

In front = obvious and easy to identify

in middle or back = the exact opposite
Don't you get pissed trying to find a register to pay when you're at Macy's? At Walmart, everyone knows exactly where to go.

The government does not tell establishments where the EV spots has to be.

The establishment chooses where it is. Hate the business if you don't like their choice.


RE: I have a question...
By Schrag4 on 4/16/2013 1:48:01 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
What gets me, is why do they give primo parking spots for EV's. They should be reserved for EV's but not up in front and close like handicapped parking.


It's what I came here to post. There's a reason handicapped spots are up front. There's a reason the loading zone (for some stores) is right up next to the building too. Surely the same enlightened people who buy EVs also understand that a little walking is good for you, right?


RE: I have a question...
By Bytre on 4/16/2013 2:38:57 PM , Rating: 2
"What gets me, is why do they give primo parking spots for EV's. They should be reserved for EV's but not up in front and close like handicapped parking. They should be out back, behind, and out of the way so EV owners can A) charge thier car and B) hide their shame... Also good for the rest of us so we dont have to see it. ;)"

As an EV driver, I totally agree with the sentiment of putting the EV parking spaces in the back. We don't need special treatment like handicapped spaces.


RE: I have a question...
By topkill on 4/16/2013 9:42:37 PM , Rating: 2
LOL Guys, think for a minute: Why do they install the EV chargers in primo spaces...CLOSE TO THE BUILDING??? Uhhh, could it be because it's cheaper to be closer to the source of electricity and not have to dig up any more of the parking lot than necessary?

Not everything in life is an evil conspiracy to screw with you. :-)


RE: I have a question...
By Reclaimer77 on 4/16/13, Rating: 0
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