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Fines will be applied to any vehicle that parks in the space without charging

If you've ever pulled into a gas station to fill up your car only to be stymied by someone who filled up their car and then went into the store to shop, you know how irritating it can be to be blocked from refueling. Apparently, Washington EV drivers are fed up with gasoline-powered vehicles using parking spaces in front of malls/shopping centers equipped with electric chargers and specially designated for electric vehicles.

The irritation for many electric vehicle owners is that there is currently no incentive in place to prevent gasoline-powered vehicle drivers from hogging spaces equipped with electric vehicle chargers.
 
The problem, however, is now being addressed by the Washington State Legislature with a new bill proposed last month that would impose a fine of $124 on drivers who park in a designated charging station without charging a vehicle. Lawmakers in the House approved the fine by a vote of 84-12. The fine had previously been approved by the state Senate and now goes to the governor to be signed into law or vetoed.

The fine won't only apply to gasoline vehicles that park in charging station spaces. Even electric vehicles parked in the charging station space, but not charging will be subject to the $124 fine. The bill also requires charging stations be marked with a vertical sign and green pavement making them marked in a similar method as handicapped spots.

The Obama administration is betting big on advanced powertrain technologies for automobiles, including fully electric vehicles. The administration last week announced a 75 percent increase in funding for vehicle research.

Source: Oregon Live



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By stimudent on 4/17/2013 10:03:02 AM , Rating: 4
Someday Gassers will be as rare as payphones.




Easy to get around this
By cyberguyz on 4/16/2013 3:49:51 PM , Rating: 2
Crack open the heavily tinted back window of 1980 Ford Pinto, push out an extension cord & plug it in. Plug the other end into a cell phone power brick.

I'm charging. No probs.




Adapter
By Gunbuster on 4/16/2013 11:54:42 AM , Rating: 1
How long before a EV to cigarette lighter adapter? Or how about an EV charging plug to USB for topping up my phone?




RE: Adapter
By Gunbuster on 4/16/13, Rating: 0
I have a question...
By Demon-Xanth on 4/16/13, Rating: -1
RE: I have a question...
By othercents on 4/16/2013 10:52:06 AM , Rating: 5
quote:
Will there be a similar charge for EVs parking at gas pumps?

Who parks an EV at a gas pump?

I wonder if the fine also includes EVs that are plugged in, but are fully charged? Are hybrid plugins allowed to park and charge, or should the spots be fore EV only vehicles?


RE: I have a question...
By daboom06 on 4/16/2013 11:00:09 AM , Rating: 1
looks like the whole comment page missed the joke.


RE: I have a question...
By FaaR on 4/16/2013 5:17:05 PM , Rating: 5
Maybe they did miss it, because jokes are meant to be funny.


RE: I have a question...
By Brandon Hill (blog) on 4/16/2013 10:54:46 AM , Rating: 3
Why would an EV driver need to pull in front of a gas pump in the first place, or go to a gas station at all (with the exception of the Volt).

With that said, public EV charging stations are usually on the front row or near the storefront of a business -- same goes for handicap parking spaces. Inconsiderate drivers often just try to park as close as possible with little regard for those "specially designated" spots (Handicap, EV charging, Employee of the Month, Expecting Mothers, etc).


RE: I have a question...
By FITCamaro on 4/16/2013 12:47:32 PM , Rating: 1
Because people go to gas stations for reasons other than gas and not all gas stations have plenty of parking spaces.


RE: I have a question...
By theapparition on 4/17/2013 10:04:27 AM , Rating: 2
But apparently there's no shortage of inconsiderate people.

The thought would never cross my mind to park at a pump when I don't need to fill up.

Seriously, do you do this? It speaks volumes on character of those who do.


RE: I have a question...
By corduroygt on 4/16/13, Rating: -1
RE: I have a question...
By theapparition on 4/17/2013 10:07:52 AM , Rating: 2
Why stop at handicapped then since you're such a rebel?


RE: I have a question...
By vol7ron on 4/16/2013 4:34:54 PM , Rating: 2
So there wouldn't be a problem if you made EV charging spots the furthest from the store?


RE: I have a question...
By JesterDay on 4/17/13, Rating: 0
RE: I have a question...
By GTVic on 4/17/2013 4:22:32 PM , Rating: 2
Security for one, the more remote the charging station, the more likely it will be vandalized or stolen.


RE: I have a question...
By quiksilvr on 4/16/2013 10:54:58 AM , Rating: 3
They should charge EVs parking at regular parking with EV parking available. I mean its only fair, right?


RE: I have a question...
By othercents on 4/16/2013 11:00:50 AM , Rating: 2
Only if there was a dedicated row of parking for EVs instead of the 2-4 spots marked for EV charging. At this point the EV spots are for charge only, not for people just parking. The EV drivers should also move their vehicles once they are fully charged.


RE: I have a question...
By retrospooty on 4/16/2013 10:56:58 AM , Rating: 4
Why would anyone park at a gas pump? They exist in a gas station only. EV parking can be anywhere like at malls and shopping centers as mentioned above.

What gets me, is why do they give primo parking spots for EV's. They should be reserved for EV's but not up in front and close like handicapped parking. They should be out back, behind, and out of the way so EV owners can A) charge thier car and B) hide their shame... Also good for the rest of us so we dont have to see it. ;)


RE: I have a question...
By othercents on 4/16/2013 10:58:01 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
What gets me, is why do they give primo parking spots for EV's.

Because they are trying to entice people to purchase this overpriced vehicles not deter them.


RE: I have a question...
By retrospooty on 4/16/2013 11:11:05 AM , Rating: 2
LOL... I mean I know why they do that, I guess I dont know why they WANT to do that. What is the invcentive for the shopping center management that allocates the space? Probably some ridiculously large govt. kickback.


RE: I have a question...
By artemicion on 4/16/2013 12:12:40 PM , Rating: 3
Another incentive is that electric cars are generally expensive and are bought by the affluent. Luxury shopping malls (like South Coast in Irvine) have EV charging stations because they want to be "the place" rich people can go to shop and charge their expensive cars.

Also, charging stations are placed in "primo" spots due to cost as well. Closer to building = less wiring. It would be pretty stupid to install new wiring under the asphalt across the entire parking lot.


RE: I have a question...
By retrospooty on 4/16/2013 12:30:49 PM , Rating: 2
"Another incentive is that electric cars are generally expensive and are bought by the affluent. Luxury shopping malls (like South Coast in Irvine) have EV charging stations because they want to be "the place" rich people can go to shop and charge their expensive cars."

I dunno. I would think the affluent usually buy something nicer, like BMW, Mercedes, Jaguar, or even higher end if they can afford it.

"Also, charging stations are placed in "primo" spots due to cost as well. Closer to building = less wiring. It would be pretty stupid to install new wiring under the asphalt across the entire parking lot."

Anywhere on the side or rear would work. Also, any parking lot large enough to have anything described as "across the entire parking lot" would have lighting, so electricity is already there.


RE: I have a question...
By lagomorpha on 4/16/2013 1:39:48 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
I dunno. I would think the affluent usually buy something nicer, like BMW, Mercedes, Jaguar, or even higher end if they can afford it.


It's really hard for a business to put in "Space reserved for people with really expensive cars" signs without invoking bad taste.


RE: I have a question...
By BRB29 on 4/16/2013 3:07:15 PM , Rating: 2
You don't need to be affluent to purchase a Model S. It's only $60k lol


RE: I have a question...
By Nutzo on 4/17/2013 11:44:29 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
You don't need to be affluent to purchase a Model S. It's only $60k lol


Only $60k? You sound like one of those 1%'ers :)

One of the main reason so many electric cars and plugin hybrids are sold in Califonia is that they qualify for carpool lane stickers that allow single drivers to use the carpool lanes.
They are simply a way for the affluent to buy a faster/easier commute.


RE: I have a question...
By Dr. Kenneth Noisewater on 4/16/2013 11:26:40 AM , Rating: 3
quote:
What gets me, is why do they give primo parking spots for EV's.


Probably easier to run 30A+ circuits through a wall rather than trenching out to parking spaces. Plus, shops can be seen to be "progressive".

Frankly though, public charging is kind of a waste of time unless it's in places which you leave your car for 2+ hours at a stretch, like office lots, movie theaters, airports, gov't buildings, maybe shopping malls. For a restaurant, bank, drug store, etc., you're not going to be there long enough for a meaningful charge.

As far as the legislation goes, what if the chargers are split between spaces (which is common: 2 spots served by 1 EVSE)? What if someone plugged in then someone comes by later and unplugs them to charge their own vehicle, or just for teh lulz?


RE: I have a question...
By fic2 on 4/16/2013 11:39:42 AM , Rating: 1
quote:
For a restaurant, bank, drug store, etc., you're not going to be there long enough for a meaningful charge.


Unless, of course, you are an employee or owner of the restaurant, bank, drug store, etc and have an EV...


RE: I have a question...
By Schrag4 on 4/16/2013 1:42:41 PM , Rating: 2
...in which case you shouldn't be parking in the prime customer parking spots anyway.


RE: I have a question...
By Schrag4 on 4/16/2013 1:52:41 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
Probably easier to run 30A+ circuits through a wall rather than trenching out to parking spaces.


So, the people putting these charging stations in are as lazy as the EV drivers that need to park up front, got it.

Don't a lot of these parking lots already have light poles? I'm not suggesting the power line to those lights are rated for 30A, just pointing out that they already routinly trench out to the parking lot for power lines.


RE: I have a question...
By BRB29 on 4/16/2013 2:58:28 PM , Rating: 2
Let me give you perspective

Costs.

Break and repave concrete sidewalk = $200, concrete does not absorb heat

Break and run wires i parking lot = thousands, asphalt absorbs heat

Visibility

In front = obvious and easy to identify

in middle or back = the exact opposite
Don't you get pissed trying to find a register to pay when you're at Macy's? At Walmart, everyone knows exactly where to go.

The government does not tell establishments where the EV spots has to be.

The establishment chooses where it is. Hate the business if you don't like their choice.


RE: I have a question...
By Schrag4 on 4/16/2013 1:48:01 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
What gets me, is why do they give primo parking spots for EV's. They should be reserved for EV's but not up in front and close like handicapped parking.


It's what I came here to post. There's a reason handicapped spots are up front. There's a reason the loading zone (for some stores) is right up next to the building too. Surely the same enlightened people who buy EVs also understand that a little walking is good for you, right?


RE: I have a question...
By Bytre on 4/16/2013 2:38:57 PM , Rating: 2
"What gets me, is why do they give primo parking spots for EV's. They should be reserved for EV's but not up in front and close like handicapped parking. They should be out back, behind, and out of the way so EV owners can A) charge thier car and B) hide their shame... Also good for the rest of us so we dont have to see it. ;)"

As an EV driver, I totally agree with the sentiment of putting the EV parking spaces in the back. We don't need special treatment like handicapped spaces.


RE: I have a question...
By topkill on 4/16/2013 9:42:37 PM , Rating: 2
LOL Guys, think for a minute: Why do they install the EV chargers in primo spaces...CLOSE TO THE BUILDING??? Uhhh, could it be because it's cheaper to be closer to the source of electricity and not have to dig up any more of the parking lot than necessary?

Not everything in life is an evil conspiracy to screw with you. :-)


RE: I have a question...
By Reclaimer77 on 4/16/13, Rating: 0
RE: I have a question...
By Motoman on 4/16/2013 11:12:44 AM , Rating: 2
I'd like to see a fine for whoever put in EV-only parking spots when there's no spaces left for my normal vehicle...and the EV spots are empty.


RE: I have a question...
By seamonkey79 on 4/16/2013 11:21:59 AM , Rating: 2
No doubt. I've been a few places, mostly tourist stops, that have taken so much of their parking for EVs that there are no spots left for the people that actually show up to see things. Last time I was at a power plant that has a manatee viewing section, parking lot full except for the nearly dozen EV spots, which were all empty.


RE: I have a question...
By Apone on 4/16/2013 12:48:34 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Will there be a similar charge for EVs parking at gas pumps?


LOL!


Special treatment?
By talikarni on 4/16/13, Rating: -1
RE: Special treatment?
By BRB29 on 4/16/2013 1:32:16 PM , Rating: 2
No they don't want to dig up the parking lot just to run lines out there. The most logical and cheapest way to make EV spot would be closest to where they can get power from the establishment. Most likely, you will see it nearest the buildings. One last reason is that people can locate the EV spots.

Stop being unreasonable. No one is getting special treatment. These people that drive EVs are paying SOME of the front load costs this new tech. Sure it is subsidized by the government and they get a nice tax credit also but that doesn't cover all the costs. When an actually useful and affordable EV is available, you can thank them for financing the research and being the guinea pigs for buying the initial production vehicles.

This has nothing to do with political agendas. EVs actually have a bright future especially with where all the energy research is going. When Nuclear Fusion can be stable and controlled, we will have more power than we can ever use. It will also be even cheaper than the current nuclear power plants.


RE: Special treatment?
By Schrag4 on 4/16/2013 2:07:20 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
Stop being unreasonable. No one is getting special treatment. These people that drive EVs are paying SOME of the front load costs this new tech. Sure it is subsidized by the government and they get a nice tax credit also but that doesn't cover all the costs.


I don't think you quite understand, the government doesn't subsidize anything - taxpayers do. People who can't afford to buy an EV don't like being forced (by threat of federal prison) to help pay for someone wealthier than them to buy an EV, and then being told if they don't park in the back then they'll be fined.


RE: Special treatment?
By BRB29 on 4/16/2013 2:20:57 PM , Rating: 2
Your tax dollars belong to the government. I think I understand quite well. By your logic, you might as well say the money came from the companies you work for.

I pay taxes and a lot of it. I would rather the government put it into something that is good for us all in the long term. I would like my kids, grand kids, great grandchildren etc... to live in a good environment, not a wasteland.

The government doesn't force any establishment to have EV spots in front. It is a choice where the spots are. It is cost effective and easier to find. Get it in your head. The government, however, is saying that if you don't own an EV then don't park there so EV drivers can park there and charge their cars.

On the flip side, I'm sick of seeing fat people collecting disability, SSI, welfare etc... I'm not talking about legit people that needs it. I'm talking about the scammers that abuse the system because they're lazy. That's a waste of government fund or as you would call it "taxpayers"

Stop hating on wealthier people. Most earned their wealth, you can earn yours too if you have some ambition.


RE: Special treatment?
By Reclaimer77 on 4/16/2013 6:01:01 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
I would rather the government put it into something that is good for us all in the long term.


You scare me. I don't know about you, but I damn sure don't want some faceless bureaucrat deciding what is and isn't "good for me". And taxing me accordingly.

And you know what, this country was set up so that shouldn't happen!


RE: Special treatment?
By BRB29 on 4/17/2013 7:42:06 AM , Rating: 2
so what are you worried about?


RE: Special treatment?
By Schrag4 on 4/16/2013 9:19:52 PM , Rating: 4
quote:
Stop hating on wealthier people. Most earned their wealth, you can earn yours too if you have some ambition.


I'm not sure why you think I hate wealthy people. I just don't think we should subsidize cars that are essentially toys for environmentalists. Can the average family really afford one of these, even after subsidies? If not, it's a luxury. There's nothing wrong with luxury, I just don't think it should be paid for by other taxpayers.

quote:
I pay taxes and a lot of it. I would rather the government put it into something that is good for us all in the long term. I would like my kids, grand kids, great grandchildren etc... to live in a good environment, not a wasteland.


Do you really think that without EVs our earth will become a wasteland? That's a pretty extremist position to take, IMO.

quote:
Your tax dollars belong to the government.


Yeah and the government is supposed to belong to the people. We're so far removed from that now though.


RE: Special treatment?
By BRB29 on 4/17/2013 8:12:22 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
I'm not sure why you think I hate wealthy people. I just don't think we should subsidize cars that are essentially toys for environmentalists


I think that because you said this "People who can't afford to buy an EV don't like being forced (by threat of federal prison) to help pay for someone wealthier than them to buy an EV"

Let me explain it to you one more time. There are tax brackets. If you make less money then actually pay a lower % than wealthier people. The fact that you make less money and pay a smaller % of a much lower amount should tell you the huge difference in taxes paid. You can say you paid for some of that EV for someone else. They can say they paid much more of something else for you. It's relative as all the money is in one pool. If you can't afford an EV then you probably paid much less taxes.

The demographics for the Model S is working middle class. Anyone can buy it, but it was aimed for people who make 60-150k a year salary(job). That kind of salary is hardly rich and you'll see a very large percentage of your salary disappear before you receive it.

Considering anyone with a degree can get a job for at least 55k with no experience. They can easily afford this car in a few years after college.

quote:
Do you really think that without EVs our earth will become a wasteland? That's a pretty extremist position to take, IMO.


No I didn't say that. I said something that's good for the environment. Vehicles create a good portion of air pollution that causes many harmful environmental effects. It is not the only contributor. Research towards EV will solve some of that problem. There are research towards other problems as well but we are talking about EV here.

quote:
Yeah and the government is supposed to belong to the people. We're so far removed from that now though


No kidding. Guess why that happens. For almost all of the elections, the majority of people don't vote. It's only recent that you see a large % of people voting. Sad part most people vote without doing much research. Some simply vote all Dem or Rep because they're extremely loyal to one party. Most people don't even realize the parties are confused themselves. They are actually the exact opposites of what they used to be.


RE: Special treatment?
By Schrag4 on 4/17/2013 10:56:07 AM , Rating: 3
quote:
No I didn't say that. I said something that's good for the environment. Vehicles create a good portion of air pollution that causes many harmful environmental effects.


I'll quote it again (bolded for emphasis):

quote:
I pay taxes and a lot of it. I would rather the government put it into something that is good for us all in the long term. I would like my kids, grand kids, great grandchildren etc... to live in a good environment, not a wasteland .


So, your argument for EVs is that you don't want your grandchildren to live in a wasteland, but driving ICE vehicles won't result in them living in a wasteland? I know I'm not quite awake yet this morning, so can you explain to me how you said that but didn't say that? I suppose I assumed you were implying that the alternative to EVs was a wasteland in our future, when perhaps you were mentioning a wasteland for some other reason.


RE: Special treatment?
By yomamafor1 on 4/16/2013 1:39:20 PM , Rating: 2
Because we all know trucks and SUV drivers don't get special treatment on taxes.

Oh wait...


RE: Special treatment?
By Spuke on 4/16/2013 4:41:56 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Because we all know trucks and SUV drivers don't get special treatment on taxes.
Explain how they do.


RE: Special treatment?
By Reclaimer77 on 4/16/13, Rating: -1
RE: Special treatment?
By cyberguyz on 4/17/2013 6:15:42 AM , Rating: 1
To the joker that cracked about parking an EV in front of a gas pump, think about this:

Gas pumps are located in gas stations. The areas around the pumps are not parking spaces . They are also private property which means the station's owner makes the rules.

You won't get a ticket from the town for parking your EV in front of a gas pump, but ht e station's owner may have it towed away at his whim.

Though this sounds completely unworkable, Until the day happens that the town places gas pumps in front of municipal parking spaces, I will agree with this thread's OP that this is special treatment.


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